15:00:47 <gouthamr> #startmeeting manila 15:00:48 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Mar 19 15:00:47 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gouthamr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:49 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:51 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'manila' 15:00:56 <carloss> o/ 15:01:15 <dviroel> o/ 15:01:16 <vkmc> o/ 15:01:17 <lseki> o/ 15:01:24 <danielarthurt> o/ 15:01:30 <gouthamr> courtesy ping: xyang toabctl ganso amito tbarron 15:01:42 <tbarron> hi 15:02:07 <maaritamm> o/ 15:02:13 <gouthamr> o/ hello everyone! 15:02:21 <carthaca> Hi 15:02:31 <gouthamr> welcome, ty for joining.. 15:02:40 <gouthamr> here's our agenda: 15:02:40 <andrebeltrami> hi 15:02:43 <gouthamr> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting 15:03:11 <gouthamr> pretty empty agenda today, lets see if we can get through it quickly 15:03:17 <gouthamr> #topic Announcements 15:03:59 <lseki> :-( 15:04:12 <gouthamr> First off, I hope you're all doing okay in this terrible pandemic 15:04:25 <vhari> o/ 15:05:04 <gouthamr> I hope we'll get through this soon, but in light of everything that's going on 15:05:30 <gouthamr> the foundation has decided to move on the next PTG, and make it entirely virtual 15:05:47 <gouthamr> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2020-March/002854.html ([OpenStack Foundation] Update on OpenDev + PTG (Vancouver)) 15:06:08 <dviroel> :( 15:06:48 <gouthamr> many of you may not have subscribed to that email list, and that's okay - mark's trying to gather volunteers to get this PTG going 15:06:50 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Virtual_PTG_Planning. 15:07:05 <gouthamr> Please sign up if you would like to volunteer, or add any ideas to that etherpad... 15:08:14 <gouthamr> we'll discuss how we'd like to structure our PTG based on the outcomes from that collaboration ^ 15:08:56 <vkmc> :( 15:08:58 <gouthamr> i'd like your ideas for that, so please think of any suggestions and i'll bring up this as a topic in a future meeting 15:10:03 <gouthamr> up next week is a deadline for nominations to be on the Technical Committee, or serve as manila PTL! 15:10:19 <gouthamr> #link https://releases.openstack.org/ussuri/schedule.html (Ussuri Release Schedule) 15:11:05 <gouthamr> please talk to me if you'd like to submit your candidacy... there're some really good ideas around project team structuring and the ptl role on the mailing list 15:11:33 <tbarron> looks like Victoria nominated herself for TC! 15:11:52 <gouthamr> i'm plugged in as far as reading them and nodding, or smirking :) 15:11:58 <tbarron> back when the schedule was written .... 15:12:01 * tbarron ducks 15:12:18 <gouthamr> I liked making this change: ‘Victoria’ PTL self-nomination 15:12:24 <gouthamr> :P 15:12:31 <tbarron> she's going to it all! 15:12:53 <gouthamr> :) 15:13:25 <gouthamr> anyway, we're ~3 weeks away from the feature freeze deadline, and we'll discuss reviews and pending feature merges today 15:13:56 <gouthamr> the schedule for the next release has been up too 15:13:58 <gouthamr> #link https://releases.openstack.org/victoria/schedule.html 15:14:17 <gouthamr> It lacks project specific deadlines right now, i'll add them soon-ish and call your attention to it 15:14:27 <gouthamr> that's all i had in terms of announcements 15:14:31 <gouthamr> anyone else got any? 15:14:55 <gouthamr> okay, moving on... 15:14:59 <gouthamr> #topic Call for doc on Generic Driver Issues (vkmc) 15:15:13 <gouthamr> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1867950 15:15:14 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1867950 in Manila "[doc][rfe] Need to call out Generic Driver limitations" [Undecided,New] 15:15:43 <gouthamr> vkmc: i volunteered you for this topic, since you brought it up to us on several occasions last week 15:16:25 <gouthamr> the problem is well understood i think, since we have spoken about it in past irc meetings and events 15:17:14 <gouthamr> many folks onboard to manila by looking at the reference architecture 15:17:25 <gouthamr> as is the heading on this document: 15:17:34 <gouthamr> #link https://docs.openstack.org/manila/latest/admin/generic_driver.html#known-restrictions (Generic approach for share provisioning) 15:18:31 <gouthamr> so it may give the impression that this approach/driver is well vetted for production use 15:19:25 <gouthamr> while we're aware of some instances of its use in public/private clouds - this driver is largely supported by the community, and as such hasn't received much love in terms of fixing all of its known issues 15:20:31 <gouthamr> so, there was a thought that we ought to call out all the limitations in the documentation so we can inform folks better when they're trying to put manila into production 15:21:23 <gouthamr> i'd like for us to update that bug report with things so we can compile it in one place before we add the doc 15:22:02 <gouthamr> as vkmc suggested, it'd be a nice low-hanging-fruit bug for a new contributor 15:22:46 <gouthamr> anything else, vkmc? 15:23:53 <gouthamr> okay, that's about it i think 15:23:56 <gouthamr> #topic Tracking our work 15:24:05 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ussuri-review-focus 15:24:45 <gouthamr> Thank you for keeping this etherpad updated, and for those that already signed up to review stuff! 15:25:12 <gouthamr> for the next couple of weeks, this will be our focus - try and get these patches merged 15:25:27 <gouthamr> if you have anymore reviews to add, please do at the end of that list 15:27:17 <gouthamr> let's get cracking on reviews, and if you don't hear back from folks that have signed up to review, please reach out to me 15:27:25 <gouthamr> #topic Bugs (vhari) 15:27:35 <gouthamr> you're up vhari 15:27:37 <gouthamr> #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad-new (Bug Triage etherpad) 15:27:53 <vhari> ty, gouthamr 15:28:04 <vhari> https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1810988 15:28:05 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1810988 in Manila "[tempest] migration tests often fail with ssh timeouts " [High,In progress] 15:28:42 <gouthamr> hmm, so we have had this bug set to high for over a year now 15:28:45 <vkmc> gouthamr, sorry, got distracted, wrt 1867950 already suggested an Outreachy applicant to take it as first contribution 15:28:46 <vhari> floating this out for any updates 15:28:49 <vhari> yeah 15:28:55 <gouthamr> vkmc: awesome! thank you 15:28:58 <vkmc> np 15:29:47 <gouthamr> vhari: yeah, lets lower the priority, these tests are not failing on voting jobs so we're not consumed by it - although i suspect we didn't do anything to improve the situation 15:30:35 <gouthamr> yikes launchpad doesn't like me today 15:30:42 <vhari> gouthamr, makes sense - anything else want to add here 15:31:09 <gouthamr> vhari: i suggest lowering the priority to low, and resetting the status to "New" 15:31:39 <vhari> gouthamr, ack, done 15:31:55 <vhari> next up 15:32:00 <vhari> https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1660825 15:32:01 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1660825 in Manila "Share capabilities are missing from share instance model" [Undecided,New] 15:32:31 <gouthamr> ah, this one is an old, low hanging fruit 15:32:40 <gouthamr> it's not really a bug if it doesn't affect anyone :) 15:33:00 <vhari> shall we close it :) 15:33:00 <vkmc> wishlist maybe? 15:33:01 <gouthamr> it's utmost a wishlist - i think i was just being pedantic 15:33:56 <gouthamr> vhari vkmc: yes, so here's teh problem - there are things we know that are in the share model that can help drivers when acting on any share 15:34:02 <gouthamr> like the attributes mentioned on the bug 15:34:27 <vkmc> gouthamr, so... it's an enhancement 15:34:32 <gouthamr> but, we don't pass them down... drivers are already written in a way to call back into the database and retrieve the share type 15:34:32 <vkmc> to have those attributes available 15:35:01 <gouthamr> so, if we make this change, in theory they can avoid that call - however, driver authors may still not have everything they need 15:35:21 <gouthamr> i was also thinking that we pass down the share type object as a share attribute 15:35:28 <gouthamr> to totally avoid this call 15:35:45 <gouthamr> extra call* - so yes, it's an enhancement 15:36:06 <gouthamr> to avoid an unnecessary round trip to the database from within a share driver 15:36:36 <vkmc> we should add this to the bug description 15:36:50 <gouthamr> vkmc: yes, i agree 15:36:56 <vkmc> I can do that 15:36:59 <vkmc> I think 15:37:03 <gouthamr> vkmc: ack, ty 15:37:06 <vkmc> np 15:37:08 <vhari> vkmc++ 15:37:18 <gouthamr> vhari: we'll set this one to wishlist - thank you for bringing it up 15:37:22 <vhari> makes sense, puts a different spin to the bug 15:37:33 <vhari> yw gouthamr 15:37:51 <vkmc> done 15:38:02 <vkmc> triaged it to confirmed/wishlist 15:38:03 <vhari> if nothing else on this one.. will call it a wrap for Bugs today 15:38:05 <vkmc> and adding more info 15:38:10 <gouthamr> thank you vkmc 15:38:14 <gouthamr> thank you vhari 15:38:20 <gouthamr> #topic Open Discussion 15:39:36 <gouthamr> i know the morales around the globe are low at the moment, so i'm very glad you're all safe and able to make it to this meeting 15:40:21 <gouthamr> it'll probably get much worse, but if you'd like to discuss something, this community would be glad to listen and participate... 15:40:22 <vkmc> \o/ 15:40:27 <vkmc> :( 15:41:12 <gouthamr> we have hope, and that's always the thing that matters :) 15:42:28 <gouthamr> anyone has anything else to bring up in this meeting? 15:43:23 <gouthamr> thank you all for joining - please review the items on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ussuri-review-focus and see you on #openstack-manila! 15:43:28 <lseki> ty 15:43:29 <carloss> thanks, gouthamr 15:43:31 <vkmc> thanks! 15:43:31 <dviroel> ty 15:43:33 <gouthamr> #endmeeting