15:00:47 <gouthamr> #startmeeting manila
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15:00:51 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'manila'
15:00:56 <carloss> o/
15:01:15 <dviroel> o/
15:01:16 <vkmc> o/
15:01:17 <lseki> o/
15:01:24 <danielarthurt> o/
15:01:30 <gouthamr> courtesy ping: xyang toabctl ganso amito tbarron
15:01:42 <tbarron> hi
15:02:07 <maaritamm> o/
15:02:13 <gouthamr> o/ hello everyone!
15:02:21 <carthaca> Hi
15:02:31 <gouthamr> welcome, ty for joining..
15:02:40 <gouthamr> here's our agenda:
15:02:40 <andrebeltrami> hi
15:02:43 <gouthamr> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting
15:03:11 <gouthamr> pretty empty agenda today, lets see if we can get through it quickly
15:03:17 <gouthamr> #topic Announcements
15:03:59 <lseki> :-(
15:04:12 <gouthamr> First off, I hope you're all doing okay in this terrible pandemic
15:04:25 <vhari> o/
15:05:04 <gouthamr> I hope we'll get through this soon, but in light of everything that's going on
15:05:30 <gouthamr> the foundation has decided to move on the next PTG, and make it entirely virtual
15:05:47 <gouthamr> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2020-March/002854.html ([OpenStack Foundation] Update on OpenDev + PTG (Vancouver))
15:06:08 <dviroel> :(
15:06:48 <gouthamr> many of you may not have subscribed to that email list, and that's okay - mark's trying to gather volunteers to get this PTG going
15:06:50 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Virtual_PTG_Planning.
15:07:05 <gouthamr> Please sign up if you would like to volunteer, or add any ideas to that etherpad...
15:08:14 <gouthamr> we'll discuss how we'd like to structure our PTG based on the outcomes from that collaboration ^
15:08:56 <vkmc> :(
15:08:58 <gouthamr> i'd like your ideas for that, so please think of any suggestions and i'll bring up this as a topic in a future meeting
15:10:03 <gouthamr> up next week is a deadline for nominations to be on the Technical Committee, or serve as manila PTL!
15:10:19 <gouthamr> #link https://releases.openstack.org/ussuri/schedule.html (Ussuri Release Schedule)
15:11:05 <gouthamr> please talk to me if you'd like to submit your candidacy... there're some really good ideas around project team structuring and the ptl role on the mailing list
15:11:33 <tbarron> looks like Victoria nominated herself for TC!
15:11:52 <gouthamr> i'm plugged in as far as reading them and nodding, or smirking :)
15:11:58 <tbarron> back when the schedule was written ....
15:12:01 * tbarron ducks
15:12:18 <gouthamr> I liked making this change: ‘Victoria’ PTL self-nomination
15:12:24 <gouthamr> :P
15:12:31 <tbarron> she's going to it all!
15:12:53 <gouthamr> :)
15:13:25 <gouthamr> anyway, we're ~3 weeks away from the feature freeze deadline, and we'll discuss reviews and pending feature merges today
15:13:56 <gouthamr> the schedule for the next release has been up too
15:13:58 <gouthamr> #link https://releases.openstack.org/victoria/schedule.html
15:14:17 <gouthamr> It lacks project specific deadlines right now, i'll add them soon-ish and call your attention to it
15:14:27 <gouthamr> that's all i had in terms of announcements
15:14:31 <gouthamr> anyone else got any?
15:14:55 <gouthamr> okay, moving on...
15:14:59 <gouthamr> #topic Call for doc on Generic Driver Issues (vkmc)
15:15:13 <gouthamr> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1867950
15:15:14 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1867950 in Manila "[doc][rfe] Need to call out Generic Driver limitations" [Undecided,New]
15:15:43 <gouthamr> vkmc: i volunteered you for this topic, since you brought it up to us on several occasions last week
15:16:25 <gouthamr> the problem is well understood i think, since we have spoken about it in past irc meetings and events
15:17:14 <gouthamr> many folks onboard to manila by looking at the reference architecture
15:17:25 <gouthamr> as is the heading on this document:
15:17:34 <gouthamr> #link https://docs.openstack.org/manila/latest/admin/generic_driver.html#known-restrictions (Generic approach for share provisioning)
15:18:31 <gouthamr> so it may give the impression that this approach/driver is well vetted for production use
15:19:25 <gouthamr> while we're aware of some instances of its use in public/private clouds - this driver is largely supported by the community, and as such hasn't received much love in terms of fixing all of its known issues
15:20:31 <gouthamr> so, there was a thought that we ought to call out all the limitations in the documentation so we can inform folks better when they're trying to put manila into production
15:21:23 <gouthamr> i'd like for us to update that bug report with things so we can compile it in one place before we add the doc
15:22:02 <gouthamr> as vkmc suggested, it'd be a nice low-hanging-fruit bug for a new contributor
15:22:46 <gouthamr> anything else, vkmc?
15:23:53 <gouthamr> okay, that's about it i think
15:23:56 <gouthamr> #topic Tracking our work
15:24:05 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ussuri-review-focus
15:24:45 <gouthamr> Thank you for keeping this etherpad updated, and for those that already signed up to review stuff!
15:25:12 <gouthamr> for the next couple of weeks, this will be our focus - try and get these patches merged
15:25:27 <gouthamr> if you have anymore reviews to add, please do at the end of that list
15:27:17 <gouthamr> let's get cracking on reviews, and if you don't hear back from folks that have signed up to review, please reach out to me
15:27:25 <gouthamr> #topic Bugs (vhari)
15:27:35 <gouthamr> you're up vhari
15:27:37 <gouthamr> #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad-new (Bug Triage etherpad)
15:27:53 <vhari> ty, gouthamr
15:28:04 <vhari> https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1810988
15:28:05 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1810988 in Manila "[tempest] migration tests often fail with ssh timeouts " [High,In progress]
15:28:42 <gouthamr> hmm, so we have had this bug set to high for over a year now
15:28:45 <vkmc> gouthamr, sorry, got distracted, wrt 1867950 already suggested an Outreachy applicant to take it as first contribution
15:28:46 <vhari> floating this out for any updates
15:28:49 <vhari> yeah
15:28:55 <gouthamr> vkmc: awesome! thank you
15:28:58 <vkmc> np
15:29:47 <gouthamr> vhari: yeah, lets lower the priority, these tests are not failing on voting jobs so we're not consumed by it - although i suspect we didn't do anything to improve the situation
15:30:35 <gouthamr> yikes launchpad doesn't like me today
15:30:42 <vhari> gouthamr, makes sense - anything else want to add here
15:31:09 <gouthamr> vhari: i suggest lowering the priority to low, and resetting the status to "New"
15:31:39 <vhari> gouthamr, ack, done
15:31:55 <vhari> next up
15:32:00 <vhari> https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1660825
15:32:01 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1660825 in Manila "Share capabilities are missing from share instance model" [Undecided,New]
15:32:31 <gouthamr> ah, this one is an old, low hanging fruit
15:32:40 <gouthamr> it's not really a bug if it doesn't affect anyone :)
15:33:00 <vhari> shall we close it :)
15:33:00 <vkmc> wishlist maybe?
15:33:01 <gouthamr> it's utmost a wishlist - i think i was just being pedantic
15:33:56 <gouthamr> vhari vkmc: yes, so here's teh problem - there are things we know that are in the share model that can help drivers when acting on any share
15:34:02 <gouthamr> like the attributes mentioned on the bug
15:34:27 <vkmc> gouthamr, so... it's an enhancement
15:34:32 <gouthamr> but, we don't pass them down... drivers are already written in a way to call back into the database and retrieve the share type
15:34:32 <vkmc> to have those attributes available
15:35:01 <gouthamr> so, if we make this change, in theory they can avoid that call - however, driver authors may still not have everything they need
15:35:21 <gouthamr> i was also thinking that we pass down the share type object as a share attribute
15:35:28 <gouthamr> to totally avoid this call
15:35:45 <gouthamr> extra call* - so yes, it's an enhancement
15:36:06 <gouthamr> to avoid an unnecessary round trip to the database from within a share driver
15:36:36 <vkmc> we should add this to the bug description
15:36:50 <gouthamr> vkmc: yes, i agree
15:36:56 <vkmc> I can do that
15:36:59 <vkmc> I think
15:37:03 <gouthamr> vkmc: ack, ty
15:37:06 <vkmc> np
15:37:08 <vhari> vkmc++
15:37:18 <gouthamr> vhari: we'll set this one to wishlist - thank you for bringing it up
15:37:22 <vhari> makes sense, puts a different spin to the bug
15:37:33 <vhari> yw gouthamr
15:37:51 <vkmc> done
15:38:02 <vkmc> triaged it to confirmed/wishlist
15:38:03 <vhari> if nothing else on this one.. will call it a wrap for Bugs today
15:38:05 <vkmc> and adding more info
15:38:10 <gouthamr> thank you vkmc
15:38:14 <gouthamr> thank you vhari
15:38:20 <gouthamr> #topic Open Discussion
15:39:36 <gouthamr> i know the morales around the globe are low at the moment, so i'm very glad you're all safe and able to make it to this meeting
15:40:21 <gouthamr> it'll probably get much worse, but if you'd like to discuss something, this community would be glad to listen and participate...
15:40:22 <vkmc> \o/
15:40:27 <vkmc> :(
15:41:12 <gouthamr> we have hope, and that's always the thing that matters :)
15:42:28 <gouthamr> anyone has anything else to bring up in this meeting?
15:43:23 <gouthamr> thank you all for joining - please review the items on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ussuri-review-focus and see you on #openstack-manila!
15:43:28 <lseki> ty
15:43:29 <carloss> thanks, gouthamr
15:43:31 <vkmc> thanks!
15:43:31 <dviroel> ty
15:43:33 <gouthamr> #endmeeting