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15:02:03 <carloss> o/
15:02:08 <dviroel> hi
15:02:13 <lseki> hi
15:02:15 <andrebeltrami> hello!
15:02:20 <tbarron> hey, sorry to be late, it's early for me
15:02:23 <tbarron> :D
15:02:25 <maaritamm> o/
15:02:33 <gouthamr> courtesy ping: ganso vkmc carloss danielarthurt
15:02:39 <gouthamr> :P sorry carloss
15:02:44 <carloss> np :)
15:02:46 <danielarthurt> Hello!
15:03:25 <gouthamr> hey everyone o/ it is summer vacations time, at least in the northern hemisphere and many folks may be away from their computers for good reasons
15:03:38 <gouthamr> so this is going to be a short meeting likely :)
15:03:46 <gouthamr> Agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting
15:03:51 <gouthamr> lets get started with
15:03:55 <gouthamr> #topic Announcements
15:04:09 <gouthamr> first and foremost, is our schedule -
15:04:19 <gouthamr> our Feature Proposal Freeze is next week!
15:04:24 <gouthamr> v
15:04:25 <gouthamr> #link https://releases.openstack.org/victoria/schedule.html (victoria release schedule)
15:04:56 <gouthamr> please have any patches polished up and uploaded, and passing CI by next week - so we can assess our feature review workload and catch things early
15:05:48 <gouthamr> if there are any concerns with this deadline, as always, let's discuss it either via this meeting, or the ML
15:06:21 <gouthamr> and a friendly reminder to register for the upcoming OpenInfra summit and the OpenDev PTG
15:06:44 <gouthamr> #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/2020/?_eboga=1892306176.1579632769
15:07:04 <gouthamr> #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/
15:07:26 <gouthamr> the summit is oct 19-23, and the ptg is oct 26-30
15:07:33 <gouthamr> so its back to back weeks
15:07:54 <gouthamr> the venue i hear is a lovely place this time, quite comfortable i'd hope
15:08:35 <gouthamr> sorry for the tease, but we'll hopefully adjust our schedules well so that we don't have meeting fatigue
15:09:26 <gouthamr> both these events are virtual, registration is 0$, so no reason not to do it :) - the program committees for both events send announcements to registered users
15:10:03 <gouthamr> voting for summit presentations is open
15:10:07 <gouthamr> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-August/016486.html
15:11:16 <gouthamr> the last announcement today's a sad one, but not an unexpected one
15:11:41 <gouthamr> xyang let me know (a while ago, my bad) that she cannot dedicate time to review patches
15:12:27 <gouthamr> so she would like to be removed from the maintainers team - i conveyed our deep sense of gratitude for all the work she has done in the past to get manila up and running
15:12:43 <dviroel> =(
15:12:45 * vkmc sneaks in o/
15:13:01 <gouthamr> we'll see her around in the k8s community, and she's welcome here whenever
15:13:05 <vkmc> :(
15:13:57 <gouthamr> as we've maintained, our objective is to continue to grow the number of responsible maintainers
15:14:41 <gouthamr> we'll mentor folks that are willing, please get in touch with any of the existing maintainers!
15:14:58 <gouthamr> that's all i had in terms of announcements today, does anyone else have anything?
15:15:40 <gouthamr> #topic Doc-a-thon recap
15:16:14 <gouthamr> so we had an impactful event last week!
15:16:31 <gouthamr> thanks to vkmc and vhari for putting things together
15:16:36 <gouthamr> (vhari is out for the day)
15:16:42 <vkmc> \o/
15:16:48 <gouthamr> #link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/ur17jprbprxx (doc-a-thon ethercalc)
15:17:20 <gouthamr> i see a number of open doc reviews from that day
15:17:42 <gouthamr> we've also gotten started on some hard ones
15:18:03 <gouthamr> all of those bugs are targeted to milestone-3
15:18:23 <gouthamr> but, a number of them are available to review right now - please take a look at the etherpad
15:18:28 <gouthamr> and review these docs
15:19:28 <gouthamr> doc changes to user/admin guides may even be backported - so lets get these merged in the main branch :)
15:19:42 <gouthamr> any other feedback on the doc-a-thon?
15:19:54 <gouthamr> how did everyone else feel?
15:20:41 <gouthamr> i feel we ought to make this a regular thing at least once each release, given how enthusiastically we swarmed on the doc bug backlog
15:20:51 <carloss> I think that it was productive and we had a chance to work in several bugs that were opened for a long time
15:21:11 <carloss> agree with the idea of doing it more often
15:21:27 <gouthamr> the synchronous triage session was helpful so we could dive into each of these as a group, rather than have a conversation on the bug reports
15:21:59 <dviroel> It was great to see everybody working together at that day
15:22:25 <gouthamr> great! vkmc and vhari have plans for a bug-a-thon akin to this!
15:22:29 <dviroel> for sure we should do more often
15:22:38 <gouthamr> we'll probably aim to do that one after feature freeze
15:22:52 <dviroel> cool
15:23:28 <tbarron> +1
15:23:28 <vkmc> thanks everybody for joining that effort
15:23:34 <vkmc> it was great .)
15:23:40 <vkmc> :)
15:23:43 <gouthamr> bug-a-thon may also be a good time to mentor new contributors
15:23:47 <vkmc> I have to catch up with reviews now
15:23:59 <vkmc> yep, next one will be a bug-a-thon... this was a pilot test
15:24:38 <gouthamr> vkmc: Feature freeze is the week of sep 07011
15:24:47 <gouthamr> sep 07-11*
15:24:54 <vkmc> yes
15:25:03 <vkmc> gouthamr, I'm thinking after feature freeze
15:25:09 <vkmc> when we start working on stabilization
15:25:14 <gouthamr> i was hoping it'd be after GHC so we have some enthusiastic newbies :)
15:25:33 <vkmc> gouthamr, that's a great idea
15:26:07 <gouthamr> (backstory: vkmc enriquetaso and i are hoping to motivate some GHC attendees to get involved with manila - https://ghc.anitab.org/attend/)
15:26:24 <vkmc> big challenge :D
15:26:48 <vkmc> I'll wait for the open discussion to share more info on it, if you want to join us
15:27:21 <gouthamr> vkmc: we can work out the details - we can do multiple days if we need to, one where we're swarming on the more complicated bugs and one specifically for new contributors
15:27:42 <gouthamr> vkmc: ack, i'll roll on then..
15:27:46 <vkmc> gouthamr++
15:28:00 <gouthamr> any other questions/concerns/feedback regarding $topic?
15:28:13 <gouthamr> #topic Questions for the User Survey
15:28:17 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/manila-zorilla-2021-user-survey-question (user survey candidate questions)
15:28:35 <gouthamr> thank you for adding questions to that etherpad
15:29:00 <gouthamr> we can pick two of these, and so i'd like for us to please vote against the questions submitted
15:29:28 <gouthamr> just use +1 or -1 next to the question
15:30:38 <gouthamr> we'll need to try and make these objective rather than subjective if possible, for a couple of reasons - survey fatigue, and for the reason that subjective answers are hard to parse and aggregate
15:31:06 <gouthamr> but if we *must* use a subjective question, that's alright
15:31:48 <gouthamr> so please vote, i'll take a look at this and compile, and ship it off to the foundation marketing team
15:32:12 <gouthamr> any questions/concerns?
15:32:45 <vkmc> I've submitted a few :o
15:32:55 <vkmc> no questions on my side
15:32:58 <gouthamr> vkmc++ ty :)
15:33:06 <gouthamr> okay
15:33:13 <gouthamr> #topic Reviews needing attention
15:33:26 <gouthamr> i'll restart the etherpad after next week
15:33:39 <gouthamr> but, are there any languishing changes that you'd like eyes on?
15:34:27 <gouthamr> we found that the etherpad is helpful when we're facing a deadline :) but, if you have a review you're not getting attention on, you're welcome to bring it up to this meeting
15:34:55 <gouthamr> edit the agenda on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting and i'll know
15:35:10 <gouthamr> hearing none, lets move on to some bug triage
15:35:16 <gouthamr> #topic Bugs
15:35:24 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad-new
15:35:35 <gouthamr> vhari farmed out a list for us to look at
15:35:45 <gouthamr> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1890537
15:35:46 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1890537 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "RHOSP16(Train) Unity manila NFS access-allow does not work for a specific IP, but it works for a subnet." [Undecided,New]
15:36:42 <gouthamr> hmmm, i wonder if the IP without /32 will work on that driver
15:37:04 <gouthamr> interesting bug nevertheless
15:37:22 <gouthamr> we expect drivers to treat IPv4 /32 and IPv6 /128 as single IP addresses
15:38:24 <gouthamr> we'll let the dell/emc folks take this bug, but i think its a "medium" (which is almost a "high" for a driver bug)
15:38:37 <gouthamr> any disagreements?
15:38:43 <dviroel> no
15:39:05 <gouthamr> okay next
15:39:05 <gouthamr> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1886904
15:39:06 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1886904 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "Access rule is not successfully applies to share" [Undecided,New]
15:40:21 <gouthamr> an interesting one, it looks like we inadvertently factored out the reconciliation loop for service failures into the "ensure_shares" mechanism
15:40:51 <tbarron> what are the consequences when one hits this bug?
15:40:53 <gouthamr> and "ensure_shares" will be called on service startup only if the driver needs it
15:41:01 <tbarron> for the user?
15:41:13 <gouthamr> the user will see the rule never applied
15:41:24 <gouthamr> teh state is correct "queued_to_apply"
15:41:30 <tbarron> can they delete it and reapply?
15:41:44 <gouthamr> yes, or perform *any* further access rule operation on the share
15:41:50 <tbarron> right
15:42:01 <tbarron> agree with your analysis on likely fix
15:42:16 <tbarron> just trying to ask the triage question w.r.t. severity
15:42:28 <gouthamr> ack, we can make this a medium too and note the workaround
15:42:50 <gouthamr> we have a class of these service failure issues that lkuchlan's bringing up
15:43:01 <gouthamr> like a share that gets stuck creating/deleting
15:43:12 <gouthamr> we could brainstorm a common solution
15:43:32 <tbarron> +1
15:43:36 <dviroel> +1
15:44:00 <gouthamr> any volunteers to take this bug/
15:44:34 <gouthamr> i'll assign it to myself, and get to it sometime-ish
15:44:35 <gouthamr> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1886690
15:44:36 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1886690 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "Misleading asynchronous user message when share services are down" [Low,New]
15:44:44 <gouthamr> yay, my favorite one now
15:45:08 <gouthamr> oh, i reported it too
15:45:13 <vkmc> xD
15:45:13 * gouthamr calms down
15:45:34 <gouthamr> okay this is potentially a low hanging fruit, but also an opinion
15:45:54 <tbarron> gouthamr should have to be up before dawn more often
15:46:15 <gouthamr> when the share service is down, the user message for failures ought to say something along the lines of
15:46:16 <tbarron> gouthamr: yeah, the thing on this one is to drive agreement on the right message
15:46:17 <gouthamr> "No storage could be allocated for this share request. Share back end services are not ready yet, trying again after a while may succeed. Contact your administrator in case retrying does not help."
15:46:27 <gouthamr> i think
15:47:14 <gouthamr> any disagreements, or is that leaking the abstraction too much
15:47:18 <tbarron> I like it.
15:47:36 <dviroel> lgtm
15:47:40 <vkmc> makes sense to me
15:47:55 <gouthamr> s/Share back end services/services -- if necessary
15:48:41 <tbarron> We're not disclosing back end details, that there is some back end that has to be ready is not a secret.
15:49:09 <tbarron> but the substitution is fine by me too
15:49:13 <gouthamr> ack
15:49:24 <gouthamr> any volunteers to fix this up
15:49:50 <gouthamr> we could keep it around for ghc/new contributors - its a fairly easy bug fix
15:49:56 <vkmc> gouthamr, I can take this
15:50:01 <vkmc> I have a mentee starting up
15:50:02 <vkmc> :)
15:50:10 <gouthamr> ooh, nice ty vkmc
15:50:11 <carloss> lgtm as well :)
15:50:13 <vkmc> I'll grab it in the meantime
15:50:33 <vkmc> ... and set it to triaged
15:50:40 <gouthamr> awesome, thank you
15:50:52 <gouthamr> lets stop the triage for today with this
15:51:01 <gouthamr> #topic Open Discussion
15:52:04 <gouthamr> vkmc: tell us about GHC
15:52:32 <vkmc> o/
15:52:48 <vkmc> so, GHC stands for Grace Hopper Celebration
15:53:02 <vkmc> it's a huge conference that has been ongoing for several years
15:53:07 <vkmc> and they have the "open source day"
15:53:20 <vkmc> we are participating as a community for this day
15:53:46 <vkmc> for this, we will be doing a hands on event in which we will help participants to make their first contribution
15:53:56 <vkmc> we expect to do some pair programming with them and work on some low hanging fruit bugs
15:54:16 <vkmc> as gouthamr mentioned, enriquetaso and him will be joining as mentors
15:54:38 <vkmc> spotz and I are coordinating
15:54:40 <vkmc> we do need more mentors though
15:54:52 <vkmc> we expect 30 participants to join and we expect to get at least 4 more people
15:54:58 <vkmc> if you are interested, please let me know
15:55:15 <tbarron> date?
15:55:16 <vkmc> also if you are hesitant on how is to mentor, also let me know
15:55:21 <vkmc> oct 1st
15:55:27 <tbarron> ty
15:55:34 <vkmc> from 8.30pm PT to 6.00pm PT
15:55:39 <vkmc> probably we will make it shorter
15:55:47 <vkmc> but initially that's the length
15:55:50 <vkmc> (full day)
15:56:11 <vkmc> #link https://ghc.anitab.org/
15:56:24 * gouthamr an event in PT :)
15:56:31 <vkmc> #link https://ghc.anitab.org/get-involved/volunteer/
15:56:52 <vkmc> also, it is worth mentioning, if you sign up as mentors for the open source day, you will get a full pass for the whole conference
15:56:53 <vkmc> :)
15:57:11 <vkmc> comments, questions?
15:58:24 <gouthamr> thank you for sharing vkmc - its an awesome mentoring opportunity, and a way to promote openstack and manila among a great gathering
15:58:44 <vkmc> yaas, thanks you gouthamr for the broadcasting space and for joining us as mentor
15:59:04 <gouthamr> always
15:59:34 <gouthamr> we're close to the hour - let's take this to #openstack-manila - thanks for joining everyone
15:59:46 <gouthamr> stay safe, and enjoy any time off you may have planned
15:59:55 <gouthamr> #endmeeting