15:02:20 <gouthamr> #startmeeting manila
15:02:21 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Oct 15 15:02:20 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gouthamr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:02:24 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'manila'
15:02:26 <dviroel> o/
15:02:29 <carloss> o/
15:02:33 <andrebeltrami> hi
15:02:36 <felipe_rodrigues> hi
15:02:37 <carthaca> Hi
15:02:39 <maaritamm> o/
15:03:00 <vhari> o/
15:03:18 <gouthamr> courtesy ping: ganso vkmc lseki tbarron
15:03:18 <tbarron> hi
15:03:21 <lseki> o/
15:03:39 <gouthamr> hello everyone, thank you for joining - i've client troubles
15:03:46 <gouthamr> #chair dviroel tbarron
15:03:46 <openstack> Current chairs: dviroel gouthamr tbarron
15:03:50 <gouthamr> in case i get dropped off :)
15:04:00 <dviroel> ack
15:04:05 <tbarron> nack :)
15:04:28 * tbarron stands behind dviroel
15:04:43 <gouthamr> we have a super light agenda today, not much going on, so lets see if we have any ad hoc issues to speak about
15:04:52 <gouthamr> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting
15:05:00 <gouthamr> #topic Announcements
15:05:43 <gouthamr> this will be our last IRC meeting in October; the next meeting will be on 5th Nov 2020 here
15:06:12 <gouthamr> but fear not, we're meeting at several occasions during the next couple of weeks
15:07:15 <gouthamr> if you haven't done so already, please add these forum sessions to your schedule - and add any relevant topics to the associated etherpads
15:07:20 <gouthamr> #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/2020/summit-schedule/events/24763/openstack-storage-for-containers
15:07:20 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/wallaby-2020-forum-openstack-storage-containers
15:07:20 <gouthamr> #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/2020/summit-schedule/events/24762/operational-concerns-for-openstack-manila
15:07:20 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/wallaby-2020-forum-operational-concerns-manila
15:07:28 <vkmc> o/
15:08:09 <gouthamr> the PTG schedule is more or less certain at this point, but, we haven't decided on the time slots yet - i'm speaking with friends working on cross project efforts to coordinate times
15:08:30 <gouthamr> so as i mentioned last week, if you have a time slot preference for a topic you're interested in, please let me know
15:08:36 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/wallaby-ptg-manila-planning (Planning Etherpad)
15:08:51 <gouthamr> the live schedule lives here:
15:08:54 <gouthamr> #link http://ptg.openstack.org/ptg.html
15:10:14 <gouthamr> in particular, if you have some ideas to share about edge architectures, please refer to this email:
15:10:17 <gouthamr> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-October/017845.html (Edge Working Group)
15:11:19 <gouthamr> tbarron has already replied to it, we *may* shorten our group's session on monday to participate - i'll keep you informed via email once we're sure
15:11:42 <gouthamr> s/monday/Monday, Oct 26, 2020/
15:12:21 <gouthamr> now that we're done with that; i almost forgot that we shipped the Victoria release this week :)
15:12:41 <tbarron> gouthamr++ all++
15:13:01 <gouthamr> we've toasted the many deliverables at various times in the cycle - here's to a final one
15:13:06 <dviroel> \o/
15:13:11 <vhari> \o/
15:13:13 <gouthamr> thanks all for working hard on this release!
15:13:20 <carloss> \o/
15:13:42 <gouthamr> and for those of you working on doc items, and bugfix backports to Victoria - we see you, and thank you!
15:14:33 <dviroel> 🍻
15:15:00 <gouthamr> alright that's all i had in terms of announcements
15:15:16 <gouthamr> anyone else got any?
15:16:21 <gouthamr> great, we'll roll on through our regular programming
15:16:27 <gouthamr> #topic Bugs (vhari)
15:16:37 <gouthamr> o/ hey there vhari - we're here early :)
15:16:44 <vhari> \o
15:16:46 <vhari> hey gouthamr
15:16:59 <vhari> have a few bugs to revisit today :)
15:17:01 <vhari> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1898791
15:17:02 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1898791 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "Remove MANILA_MULTI_BACKEND from devstack script" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Lívia Cavalcanti (liviacavalcanti)
15:17:53 <vhari> was recently reassigned -
15:18:08 <gouthamr> ack, it's a low-wishlist item
15:18:13 <vhari> looking if they need anything to proceed
15:18:32 <gouthamr> lets target it to wallaby-1; and see if the assignee has an update
15:18:53 <gouthamr> it appears the assignee is trying to pick up the ropes for the upcoming outreachy internship
15:19:06 <vhari> gouthamr, updated the bug fields
15:19:38 <gouthamr> ty vhari
15:19:38 <vhari> cool
15:19:49 <vhari> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1859762
15:19:50 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1859762 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) ""test_migration_files" test is not skipped when storage protocol is not NFS" [Undecided,New]
15:21:09 <tbarron> INCOMPLETE?
15:21:11 <gouthamr> hmmm, no response from the reporter - lets set this to invalid, and see if that gets their attention
15:21:22 <tbarron> k
15:21:38 <gouthamr> sure, incomplete, and let it expire if they don't update it
15:22:14 <vhari> ack
15:22:26 <vhari> moving on
15:22:28 <vhari> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1647915
15:22:30 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1647915 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "hardcord service nfs-kernel-server for debian distribution" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Akira KAMIO (kamio)
15:23:53 <gouthamr> interesting
15:24:34 <tbarron> is he saying it is broken in RH or in debian?
15:24:36 <gouthamr> we used to test the LVM driver on CentOS for a long time, and we didn't hit this
15:25:12 <gouthamr> i read it as "it's hardcoded for debian" (but shouldn't be)
15:25:13 <gouthamr> ?
15:25:25 <tbarron> seems plausible
15:26:24 <tbarron> the error seems to be that we try to restart the service but it was never started/enabled in the first place?
15:27:38 <tbarron> I can take this one and ask questions and try to reproduce.
15:27:48 <gouthamr> yes, it's possible they didn't install the "nfs-kernel-server" package?
15:28:57 <gouthamr> is such a package even available for centos/rhel - i dunno
15:29:13 <gouthamr> but our documentation calls it out
15:30:23 <gouthamr> found my answer - we ask that nfs-kernel-server be installed only in case of debian and suse: https://opendev.org/openstack/manila/src/commit/39efc2bde81c2a0c747a491d3a778b822ca263b8/devstack/plugin.sh#L684-L699
15:30:56 <gouthamr> vhari: unrelated to our triage, though, tbarron++ will investigate and follow up :)
15:31:19 <vhari> gouthamr, got it ..
15:31:24 <vhari> next up #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1893718
15:31:25 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1893718 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "Fixed the logic that determines whether a share exists before manage a share" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to haixin (haixin77)
15:33:28 <gouthamr> the fix is https://review.opendev.org/749173/
15:33:50 <gouthamr> however, i've a question for haixin that hasn't been addressed yet
15:33:57 <vhari> ack - looping this back out for any updates
15:34:59 <gouthamr> once we do, we'll get this in - i don't recall if this one needs to be discussed at the PTG - we're replacing a check in the API because that's kinda where the bug is
15:35:34 <vhari> gouthamr,  don't believe it was marked for PTG discussion
15:35:51 <gouthamr> vhari: i can ask, we may see him at the PTG
15:36:10 <vhari> gouthamr, will pencil it in
15:36:24 <vhari> gouthamr, that's all the bugs for today
15:36:29 <gouthamr> thanks vhari :)
15:36:40 <gouthamr> #topic Open Discussion
15:36:41 <vhari> yw, gouthamr
15:37:21 <gouthamr> we have the room for another 23 minutes
15:37:40 <gouthamr> we'll wait a couple of minutes in case there's anything to discuss
15:38:16 <carthaca> re https://review.opendev.org/#/c/703025/ I saw that MaAoyu still has question to gouthamr and dviroel, can you have a look please?
15:38:50 <gouthamr> ty carthaca
15:39:22 <tbarron> Some folks may be interested in this container storage talk at summit: https://www.openstack.org/summit/2020/summit-schedule/events/24634/connecting-ecosystems-how-cinder-csi-ember-csi-and-manila-csi-leverage-openstack-bits-in-kubernetes
15:39:49 <dviroel> ty carthaca, will take a look on the patch again.
15:40:08 <gouthamr> carthaca: i suggested using the same session to grab the count of resources - do you think this optimization is necessary
15:40:35 <gouthamr> i thought anyone doing pagination-with-count shouldn't suffer the double db round trip
15:41:49 <gouthamr> because the resources are fetched twice, unnecessarily
15:41:52 <gouthamr> and it will seem silly that we can't optimize because there are unit test failures
15:42:19 <dviroel> we can help on fixing the unit tests if this is a problem for maaoyu
15:43:19 <gouthamr> dviroel: ack, or create a new db wrapper just for this use case
15:43:53 <gouthamr> dviroel: i think reusing the wrapper used elsewhere is the primary concern
15:44:55 <gouthamr> #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/2020/summit-schedule/events/24634/connecting-ecosystems-how-cinder-csi-ember-csi-and-manila-csi-leverage-openstack-bits-in-kubernetes (Consider attending this summit presentation by tbarron et al. that will involve manila-csi)
15:44:58 <tbarron> yeah, sorry to interrupt there, pardon my enthusiasm for $subject
15:45:06 <gouthamr> ^ will get highlighted in the minutes
15:45:24 <tbarron> I'm actually not a presenter but will be there for discussion and Q&A
15:45:34 <gouthamr> oh
15:45:52 <tbarron> fresh faces
15:46:13 <gouthamr> :)
15:46:15 <tbarron> but should cover when to use cinder-csi, manila-csi, ember-csi
15:47:17 <tbarron> and maybe get into use cases for ceph-csi, trident in discussion, who knows?
15:47:26 <tbarron> bring fruit to throw
15:47:37 <dviroel> :)
15:47:47 <gouthamr> ah, building the suspense
15:48:25 * tbarron holds the radical position that openstack storage is appropriate
15:48:34 <tbarron> when running k8s on openstack
15:49:40 <gouthamr> you forget about cloud natives
15:50:00 <tbarron> cloud native k8s doesn't need any stinking storage
15:50:14 <tbarron> that's old-fashioned
15:50:29 <tbarron> just rewrite all your apps
15:50:58 * tbarron thinks that's not what gouthamr meant by 'cloud natives'
15:51:54 <gouthamr> haha (: we'll never know
15:52:12 <gouthamr> or maybe we will, on Monday - in teh forum session on "OpenStack Storage for Containers"
15:52:24 <gouthamr> lol
15:52:54 <gouthamr> okay, if there's nothing else, lets end this meeting and go brew some coffee or get a night cap, whichever is your preference
15:53:20 <gouthamr> hope you all have a great summit week and a eventful PTG week following that
15:53:50 <gouthamr> remember that we won't meet here until Nov 5th - so please ping on #openstack-manila, or send email to openstack-discuss
15:53:57 <tbarron> irish coffee for those who are in the middle
15:54:03 <vhari> thanks gouthamr .. no objections here :D
15:54:22 <gouthamr> #endmeeting