15:00:15 <gouthamr> #startmeeting manila 15:00:16 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Dec 3 15:00:15 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gouthamr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:17 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:19 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'manila' 15:00:30 <carloss> o/ 15:00:35 <gouthamr> courtesy ping: ganso vkmc dviroel lseki tbarron andrebeltrami felipe_rodrigues 15:00:42 <dviroel> o/ 15:00:52 <maaritamm> o/ 15:00:58 <andrebeltrami> o/ 15:01:00 <kiwi_36> o/ 15:01:18 <vkmc> o/ 15:01:26 <vhari> o/ 15:01:56 <disap> o/ 15:02:05 <gouthamr> hey there everyone, welcome back - i hope you enjoyed the downtime if you had some last week 15:02:17 <gouthamr> if not, i hope the end of 2020 brings you some :) 15:02:41 <gouthamr> lets get started. The meeting agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings 15:03:05 <gouthamr> #topic Announcements 15:03:40 <gouthamr> let me begin by formally congratulating maaritamm for joining the python-manilaclient-core team 15:04:11 <gouthamr> thank you for all the hard work you've put into that project maaritamm - we are excited that you're willing to join us and maintain it :) 15:04:17 <vkmc> *\o/* maaritamm 15:04:23 <maaritamm> thanks gouthamr :) 15:04:51 * gouthamr has never made his stick figures do things vkmc does 15:05:08 <dviroel> maaritamm++ 15:05:16 <vkmc> it's a whole skill I've been working on 15:05:28 <maaritamm> thanks vkmc \o/ 15:05:39 <vhari> maaritamm++ 15:05:41 <gouthamr> :D alright, a calendar check point occurs today 15:06:01 <gouthamr> #link https://releases.openstack.org/wallaby/schedule.html (Wallaby Release Schedule) 15:06:49 <gouthamr> we're at milestone-1 of this release 15:07:07 <gouthamr> which is a bug targetting deadline for us.. we'll come back to that in a bit 15:07:26 <gouthamr> we're also going to make the first wallaby release of the python-manilaclient, hopefully by eod 15:07:33 <gouthamr> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764735 (Release python-manilaclient for wallaby-1 milestone) 15:08:01 <gouthamr> we're three weeks away from manila's specifications freeze 15:08:04 <tbarron> hi 15:08:15 <gouthamr> hi there tbarron 15:08:34 <gouthamr> if you're intending on writing a spec, please do so at the earliest so we have enough time to iterate 15:08:47 <dviroel> spec freeze christmas edition 15:09:05 <gouthamr> home alone 4 with manila specs 15:09:15 <vhari> :) 15:09:58 <dviroel> XD 15:09:59 <gouthamr> we have a couple of specs uploaded already that need review attention 15:10:18 <gouthamr> #link https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack%252Fmanila-specs+status:open 15:10:42 <gouthamr> when you have some time, please take a look and provide feedback so we can close out on these 15:11:56 <gouthamr> that's all i had in terms of announcements, some more news will follow in a formal topic 15:12:02 <gouthamr> anyone else got any? 15:12:46 <gouthamr> #topic Outreachy Internships (Dec 2020 - Mar 2021) 15:13:38 <gouthamr> while we were away, Outreachy announced the results of their internship cohort for Dec 2020-Mar 2021 15:13:56 <gouthamr> and both our internship proposals were accepted! 15:14:13 <dviroel> \o/ 15:14:27 <carloss> nice! 15:14:30 <gouthamr> huge props to vkmc, who continues to raise the bar on mentorship and investment 15:14:32 <vhari> awesome! 15:14:33 <maaritamm> Yay! Outreachy <3 15:14:49 <vhari> vkmc++ 15:14:49 <gouthamr> and with that, i'd love to welcome our newest zorillas: disap and kiwi_36 15:15:02 <maaritamm> vkmc ++ 15:15:17 <disap> Hi everyone ! 15:15:24 <tbarron> vkmc++ 15:15:37 <tbarron> disap: welcome! 15:15:38 <gouthamr> disap kiwi_36: would you say who you are, what you do etc :) 15:15:43 <maaritamm> welcome disap & kiwi_36 \o/ 15:15:49 <carloss> welcome disap kiwi_36 :) 15:15:59 <tbarron> kiwi_36: hi! 15:16:00 <dviroel> welcome disap kiwi_36 15:16:03 <disap> Thank you 15:16:11 <kiwi_36> Hello awesome zorillas \o/.Thanks for the warm welcome 15:17:59 <gouthamr> didn't mean to put you on the spot like that :D 15:18:03 <kiwi_36> I am Paul Ali , from Kenya . I will be working on unified limits support in Manila. I like creating stuff . It is an honour to be working on Openstack with all of you. 15:18:23 <esantos> welcome disap and kiwi 36 o/ 15:18:52 <disap> I'm Dina Saparbaeva, from Kyrgyzstan 15:19:17 <gouthamr> kiwi_36: nice, you'll be a pioneer in that arena, and we're excited to work with you on that 15:20:28 <gouthamr> disap: welcome :) sorry this meeting is so late in your day 15:20:58 <kiwi_36> Thanks gouthamr vkmc maaritamm for everything.I am open to learning as much as possible from all of you. 15:21:43 <disap> Thank you Goutham, it's fine. Not so late =D 15:22:00 <gouthamr> great... thanks disap, kiwi_36 15:22:29 <gouthamr> the internships began this week, and will finish close to the end of the wallaby release cycle 15:23:25 <gouthamr> if you have any questions at all, disap and kiwi_36 - feel free to chime in on #openstack-manila 15:23:48 <vkmc> kiwi_36++ and extra maaritamm++ for helping him on the application period :D 15:24:23 <vkmc> and disap++ so thrilled to have you working with us in manila ui :D 15:25:16 <gouthamr> maaritamm++ keep being awesome :) 15:25:37 <disap> thank you @vkmc thrilled to work with you and all OpenStack team :) 15:26:17 <maaritamm> always happy to help! feel free to ping me if there is something I can help out :) 15:28:24 <gouthamr> we have a total of 5 new contributors working on various fronts all of this cycle 15:28:58 <gouthamr> i want to take a moment to appreciate the help that the team continues to provide 15:29:22 <gouthamr> zorillas ftw 15:30:20 <gouthamr> lets move on with the agenda... 15:30:37 <gouthamr> #topic bugs (vhari) 15:31:02 <vhari> hey zorillas 15:31:05 <vhari> :) 15:31:06 <gouthamr> vhari: o/ 15:31:39 <vhari> starting with new bugs to triage 15:31:41 <vhari> #Link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1904746 15:31:44 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1904746 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "share server is failing to delete using kerberos with NetApp driver" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Felipe Rodrigues (felipefutty) 15:33:21 <gouthamr> interesting 15:33:50 <gouthamr> felipe_rodrigues: i saw some other bugs against netapp/kerberos 15:34:02 <dviroel> felipe_rodrigues already has a fix for that too 15:34:08 <felipe_rodrigues> yeah 15:34:18 <felipe_rodrigues> i will submit them soon 15:34:19 <gouthamr> is this feature working, and affecting only new consumers, what's the story? 15:34:40 <gouthamr> by new consumers, i meant newer versions of ONTAP 15:35:29 <dviroel> not sure if this is happening only with newer versions 15:35:44 <dviroel> my guess is that isn't working for a long time 15:35:49 <gouthamr> #TIL kerborized LIFs don't get deleted automatically 15:36:32 <gouthamr> dviroel: ack, lets set the same prio as the related bugs 15:36:35 <felipe_rodrigues> at least in the tested ontap version, it must delete manually 15:36:51 <gouthamr> felipe_rodrigues: do you have a link to the other bugs? 15:36:57 <gouthamr> (or bug) 15:37:21 <dviroel> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1901189 15:37:22 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1901189 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "netapp kerberos-realm-create api changed" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Felipe Rodrigues (felipefutty) 15:37:44 <gouthamr> thanks dviroel 15:38:05 <felipe_rodrigues> deleting the kerborized LIF leads to delete the entity in the kerberos server... it needs the password, so it must be manually... 15:39:08 <tbarron> it seems that carthaca is saying that DOT behavior changed at 8.3.0+ ? 15:39:35 <tbarron> and manila needs to adjust 15:39:37 <gouthamr> felipe_rodrigues: oh, there's no API you can hit? 15:40:33 <felipe_rodrigues> i dont think so 15:40:54 <dviroel> don't we just need to completely delete the kerberos server config in order to delete the LIF? 15:42:01 <felipe_rodrigues> yeah, we need to delete the kerbero resources... 15:43:15 <felipe_rodrigues> there are 2 bugs: 1. changing the ONTAP behavior; 2. cleaning the kerberos resources 15:43:26 <gouthamr> okay, lets continue this conversation on the bugs. I'll retarget lp 1901189 to wallaby-2 15:43:28 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1901189 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "netapp kerberos-realm-create api changed" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1901189 - Assigned to Felipe Rodrigues (felipefutty) 15:44:04 <vhari> ack, revisiting #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1817316 for dviroel 15:44:05 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1817316 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "security service password is stored in plaintext" [Wishlist,Triaged] 15:44:40 <vhari> dviroel, take it away :) 15:44:52 <dviroel> Yeah, esantos is working on this bug 15:45:21 <dviroel> That was discussed in denver ptg 15:45:57 <dviroel> There are 2 fixes that we might want to have there 15:46:27 <dviroel> The first one is to stop showing sec. service passwords 15:46:49 <dviroel> And the second one, to encrypt the password in the db 15:48:15 <tbarron> isn't there also the possiblity of not storing it at all? https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1817316/comments/3 15:48:16 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1817316 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "security service password is stored in plaintext" [Wishlist,Triaged] 15:49:11 <dviroel> tbarron: we were thinking on that too 15:49:40 <dviroel> but we didn't agree on a solution for that until now 15:50:05 <tbarron> dviroel: yeah, if that's feasible it might be safest and easiest both. Dunno if we have to store it for some reason though. 15:50:18 <gouthamr> mostly if drivers want it later 15:50:55 <gouthamr> i'm unsure if they're using it though - perhaps a "just in case we need it" design 15:51:06 <felipe_rodrigues> there are some drawbacks stopping storing , like less usability.. should we ask every share create when using s.s.? 15:51:15 <tbarron> ^^ +1 if feasible 15:51:51 <dviroel> Yeah, take as an example, when we need to delete Kerberos server, on share server deletion, we nees the password to do that 15:51:56 <gouthamr> felipe_rodrigues: yeah, presumably the storage system has someway to remember the authentication - but, it's possible drivers are replaying this information to the backends 15:52:27 <gouthamr> dviroel: ah, yeah - new and concrete use case 15:52:53 <dviroel> felipe_rodrigues might confirm that for us 15:53:41 <felipe_rodrigues> ontap , right? 15:53:50 <dviroel> felipe_rodrigues: yeap 15:54:09 <dviroel> felipe_rodrigues: that we need to provide the password on order to delete the kerb config 15:55:03 <dviroel> anyway, we will continue studying these solutions, and might need a meeting to discuss in details 15:55:28 <gouthamr> dviroel: sure thing, we can jump on a design call once you have some ideas to share 15:55:34 <dviroel> +1 15:55:43 <felipe_rodrigues> +1 15:55:53 <gouthamr> dviroel: else, a short spec if that's easier would help too 15:56:02 <gouthamr> thanks for bringing this issue back up 15:56:51 <dviroel> np, thks 15:57:12 <dviroel> thanks felipe_rodrigues for bringing this back for us 15:57:29 <gouthamr> vhari: we have 3 minutes left, do we have any other bugs to discuss? 15:57:45 <vhari> gouthamr, got bugs but no time ! 15:57:51 <gouthamr> :D 15:58:18 <gouthamr> vhari: thanks for keeping us honest, lets take any other pressing ones to #openstack-manila if we can't defer triage to next week 15:58:28 <vhari> gouthamr, yw, will pick up the rest next week 15:58:33 <gouthamr> vhari++ 15:58:36 <gouthamr> #topic Open Discussion 15:58:42 <gouthamr> all of two minutes :) 16:00:06 <gouthamr> alright everyone thank you all for attending and for the lively discussion 16:00:11 <gouthamr> please stay safe! 16:00:23 <gouthamr> see you next week, and on #openstack-manila in the meanwhile 16:00:27 <gouthamr> #endmeeting