15:00:38 <gouthamr> #startmeeting manila
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15:00:38 <opendevmeet> The meeting name has been set to 'manila'
15:00:40 <felipe_rodrigues> o/
15:00:46 <caiquemello> o/
15:00:47 <fabiooliveira> o/
15:00:50 <haixin> o/
15:00:51 <simondodsley> o/
15:00:52 <carloss> o/
15:01:06 <tbarron> hi
15:01:06 <gouthamr> courtesy ping: ganso vkmc dviroel carloss tbarron felipe_rodrigues ecsantos vhari
15:01:12 <gouthamr> ^ sorry for the double ping
15:01:23 <dviroel> o/
15:01:47 <kafilat> o/
15:02:20 <gouthamr> hello everyone, thank you for joining.. extracting myself out of another meeting
15:02:39 <gouthamr> here's our agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting
15:02:53 <gouthamr> #topic Announcements
15:03:13 <gouthamr> schedule announcements, the new driver submission deadline is next week
15:03:17 <gouthamr> #link https://releases.openstack.org/xena/schedule.html
15:03:28 <gouthamr> "By the end of the week all new backend drivers for Manila must be substantially complete, with unit tests, and passing 3rd party CI. Drivers do not have to actually merge until feature freeze."
15:04:06 <gouthamr> we've already merged one driver, and from what i see on the channel, and from the PTG, we *may* have some more that haven't hit gerrit yet
15:04:33 <gouthamr> although, given we only have a week - it's possible the driver authors will hold off until the Yoga cycle
15:05:19 <gouthamr> no other announcements for today
15:05:23 <gouthamr> does anyone else have any?
15:05:28 <carloss> I do
15:05:36 <gouthamr> go ahead caiquemello
15:05:39 <gouthamr> grr
15:05:41 <gouthamr> carloss :)
15:05:41 <dviroel> lol
15:05:45 <carloss> lol
15:06:04 <carloss> I'd like to introduce a new Zorilla!
15:06:18 * gouthamr oh boy its an infestation
15:06:31 <carloss> rfluisa joined our team and we will be seeing contributions from her :D
15:06:44 <gouthamr> rfluisa: o/ welcome to the community!
15:06:47 <carloss> welcome rfluisa :)
15:06:51 <rfluisa> o/
15:06:54 <fabiooliveira> \o/
15:06:55 <rfluisa> Thanks!! :)
15:06:59 <ecsantos> welcome rfluisa o/
15:07:04 <dviroel> rfluisa: hey o/, welcome
15:07:09 <felipe_rodrigues> welcome!
15:07:15 <haixin> welcome
15:07:26 <simondodsley> hi
15:07:26 <tbarron> welcome rfluisa!  just saw a patch announced on #openstack-manila by Luisa.  Is that y ou?
15:07:29 <tbarron> you?
15:07:34 <rfluisa> That's me!
15:07:44 <ashrodri> welcome!
15:07:47 <carloss> off to a good start :D
15:07:59 <gouthamr> entering the community in style :) great work rfluisa
15:08:14 <tbarron> rfluisa ftw!
15:08:31 <ashrodri> rfluisa +1
15:08:47 <gouthamr> great :) any other announcements?
15:09:00 <carloss> that's all I had gouthamr... thanks!
15:09:09 <caiquemello> welcome!!!
15:09:16 <gouthamr> thank you carloss - glad to see your team growing!
15:09:31 <carloss> me too :)
15:09:33 <gouthamr> #topic AIs from Last Week
15:10:14 <gouthamr> so we had a discussion about transitioning stable/rocky and stable/queens branches in manila, python-manilaclient and manila-ui to EOL
15:10:21 <gouthamr> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-July/023702.html
15:10:28 <gouthamr> #link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22queens-eol%22+(status:open%20OR%20status:merged)
15:10:58 <gouthamr> we're just waiting to see if anyone expresses objections on the ML
15:11:40 <gouthamr> feel free to +1 those changes - barring any objections, these should get merged soon
15:12:57 <gouthamr> we also discussed our draft schedule for the Yoga PTG
15:13:12 <gouthamr> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-July/023703.html ([manila][ptg] Yoga cycle Project Teams Gathering information)
15:13:24 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/yoga-ptg-manila-planning (Yoga PTG Planning etherpad)
15:13:57 <gouthamr> ^ this etherpad is to gather ideas, interests and form discussion topics
15:14:37 <gouthamr> please feel free to add your intent to attend, and any topics you're planning
15:15:27 <gouthamr> speaking of last week, we also had a successful GHC OSD \o/
15:16:07 <gouthamr> vkmc kafilat archanaserver ashrodri vhari maaritamm diablo_rojo ildikov
15:16:44 <gouthamr> ^ was a fun zorilla convention as well :)
15:17:33 <ashrodri> it was a great experience! excited to participate again in the fall :D
15:17:46 <gouthamr> we had fewer contributors this round; and we implemented a lot of feedback from the last round and learned a bit more..
15:18:35 <gouthamr> ashrodri++ totally
15:19:17 <gouthamr> great job, and thank you mentors - i was especially happy to see archanaserver and kafilat join us as mentors!
15:20:05 <ashrodri> archanaserver++ kafilat++
15:20:37 <archanaserver> yes it was a amazing experience indeed, thank you to openstack community :)
15:21:35 <gouthamr> alright, the other item to follow up from last week was our devstack external connectivity issues
15:21:47 <gouthamr> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-July/023631.html ([devstack][neutron][manila] Instances having trouble getting to external network with OVN)
15:22:49 <gouthamr> we don't have any responses from neutron/ovn folks yet on that thread
15:23:07 <simondodsley> Yes - this is still an issue for 3rd Party CIs - can we ping the Neutron PTL directly?
15:23:54 <gouthamr> simondodsley: yes - that was my next step, slaweq was ooto until this week; will ping him after this meeting
15:24:07 <simondodsley> +1
15:24:41 <gouthamr> alright, lets move on..
15:24:47 <gouthamr> #topic Yoga Goals
15:24:59 * gouthamr like a new year, new me resolution
15:25:19 <gouthamr> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-July/023659.html
15:26:09 <gouthamr> ricolin started a discussion ^ concerning pain points with openstack services; and contemplating a goal to eliminate one in each project
15:26:39 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/pain-point-elimination (Pain Point Elimination etherpad)
15:26:55 <ricolin> o/
15:27:04 <gouthamr> \o ricolin
15:27:28 <ricolin> Thanks for raising this topic
15:27:53 <ricolin> I'm working on collecting known pain point from teams
15:28:12 <ricolin> and see if we can make this as a Yoga goal
15:28:42 <gouthamr> +1 so the AI here is for manila operators, contributors to identify what they think is painful about manila today
15:29:08 <gouthamr> while we're collating ideas on a single etherpad, each team will select and work on their own project's pain point
15:29:16 <gouthamr> from what i understand..
15:29:26 <ricolin> exactly
15:30:20 <gouthamr> awesome, thank you for proposing this ricolin..
15:31:17 <gouthamr> lets take this as a AI and add things to that list; and please forward this request to operators you know that may not be watching the ML
15:31:56 <gouthamr> we have had some feedback from earlier operator forums on a very similar question, when tbarron asked
15:32:19 <gouthamr> so i'll dig those up and and them there
15:32:39 <gouthamr> any questions, while we have ricolin's attention? :)
15:33:32 <ricolin> feel free to ping me anytime gouthamr :)
15:33:44 <gouthamr> awesome, thanks ricolin!
15:33:50 <gouthamr> #topic Reviews needing attention
15:33:53 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/manila-xena-review-focus
15:35:59 <gouthamr> we've some good discussion going on on the Affinity/Anti-Affinity hints specification
15:36:08 <gouthamr> #link  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/manila-specs/+/775198 (Add Share Affinity/Anti-Affinity Scheduler Filters)
15:36:54 <gouthamr> please share your feedback there, we're brainstorming the persistence of the hints in the database and how the share workflows will be affected by them
15:37:19 <haixin> i have see this spec, I actually don't think this feature is any better than share Type
15:38:03 <gouthamr> haixin: beyond the reasons mentioned in the use-cases section?
15:39:21 <gouthamr> haixin: the biggest reason i see there is having users provide hints dynamically as shares are created - something share types wouldn't be able to help with
15:39:37 <haixin> My point is that with share types arranged to be named and corresponding to their respective backends, users can easily distinguish between backends
15:41:21 <gouthamr> i see; yeah that's one alternative - however, cloud operators could be treating share types as service classes rather than creating one per-backend
15:42:45 <gouthamr> haixin: please take a look and add your review to teh spec
15:42:53 <gouthamr> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/manila/+/776875 (Early validate for CIFS without security service)
15:42:58 <haixin> ok,i will
15:43:07 <gouthamr> thanks haixin
15:43:27 <gouthamr> can i have other reviewers for this CIFS early validation change?
15:43:53 <carloss> I need to circle back on this
15:43:57 <carloss> Will do so :)
15:44:02 <gouthamr> thanks carloss
15:44:34 <gouthamr> alright, the rest on that etherpad are still pending, but have reviewers signed up
15:44:52 <gouthamr> does anyone have any other reviews we need to talk about?
15:45:31 <gouthamr> if not right now, feel free to add any to the etherpad to gather wider attention
15:45:36 <gouthamr> #topic Bug Triage (vhari)
15:45:52 <gouthamr> vhari is in another meeting, i'll take this one
15:45:55 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad-new (Bug Triage etherpad)
15:46:03 <gouthamr> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1936648
15:47:17 <gouthamr> ^ pretty cool bug; did a user hit this felipe_rodrigues, or did you hit this yourself when testing?
15:47:57 <felipe_rodrigues> i hit it, while developing other features
15:48:08 <gouthamr> it's possible other backends that implement revert-to-snapshot may have this issue
15:48:37 <felipe_rodrigues> i think so.. if they are renaming
15:49:12 <felipe_rodrigues> they could save the previous name in the provider_location field
15:49:29 <felipe_rodrigues> instead of renaming it for the driver snapshot template name
15:49:53 <gouthamr> isn't the provider location the actual name on the backend so drivers can locate it
15:50:00 <gouthamr> s/it/the snapshot
15:50:37 <gouthamr> if the field isn't used like that, sure
15:51:40 <gouthamr> felipe_rodrigues: i'm okay tagging this medium, do you have a fix in the works? is this xena-3 material?
15:52:26 <felipe_rodrigues> the plan is starting working on the fix after the feature freeze.. from now, i am fully busy to deliver it..
15:52:59 <gouthamr> ack, i'll target to rc1; but i'm interested in the fix, and how it should apply generically across drivers
15:53:20 <felipe_rodrigues> ok
15:53:24 <gouthamr> it may be a call out in the driver docstrings and new bugs against specific drivers
15:53:59 <gouthamr> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1936689
15:54:50 <gouthamr> ashrodri: thanks for reporting this bug
15:55:14 <gouthamr> definitely a good ux improvement
15:55:20 <gouthamr> and can be extended to share types
15:55:25 <gouthamr> do you plan on working on this bug?
15:56:37 <ashrodri> yeah i do
15:57:12 <gouthamr> okay, feel free to claim it - i'll target this one to rc1 too, but its okay if we can close sooner  or later
15:57:22 <ashrodri> sounds good!
15:57:26 <gouthamr> thanks ashrodri
15:57:31 <gouthamr> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1936667
15:57:46 <gouthamr> this one has a fix:
15:57:47 <gouthamr> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/manila/+/801079
15:58:08 <gouthamr> seems simple enough
15:59:00 <gouthamr> will target this low, m-3  -> although that's just to triage this :)
15:59:08 <gouthamr> alright, lets wrap up here for the day
15:59:32 <gouthamr> if you'd like to chat about anything else, please hop over to #openstack-manila
15:59:50 <gouthamr> thank you all for attending - see you next week!
16:00:05 <gouthamr> #endmeeting