20:01:33 <sarob> #startmeeting milk 20:01:34 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Feb 24 20:01:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:01:35 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:01:37 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'milk' 20:02:06 <MrJoshua> I'm here. 20:02:07 <MrJoshua> Finally. 20:02:24 <sarob> :) 20:02:34 <sarob> im pinging guillaume 20:04:15 <sarob> oh way, lets proceed 20:04:29 <sarob> #topic bootcamp 20:05:26 <sarob> #link https://docs.google.com/a/yahoo-inc.com/document/d/1QiZ_PJTIFwKOmHPYhtez0TTEXHUb1r21OV0-PoNN45U/edit?usp=sharing 20:06:10 <sarob> the bootcamp structure is laid out at the bottom of the gdoc 20:06:23 <sarob> have you a look? 20:06:38 <MrJoshua> Yes, Is that doc a cut and paste from something else? 20:08:15 <sarob> nope 20:08:24 <sarob> all created last week 20:08:35 <MrJoshua> K, so a few questions... 20:09:12 <sarob> question away 20:10:31 <MrJoshua> There's discussion about difficulty level which sounds very general. Are we talking about a certification system? I guess I don't understand the relevance. 20:11:07 <sarob> im running an open source training program 20:11:30 <sarob> the training guide we are working on right now 20:11:51 <sarob> im creating a condensed version of the guide as a bootcamp 20:12:05 <sarob> to get etc devs up to speed 20:13:05 <sarob> the section Appendix: How To Participate Bootcamp 20:13:44 <sarob> we are going to run through the first revision of that tomorrow 20:14:20 <sarob> does that make more sense? 20:14:30 <MrJoshua> Ok got it. So as far as this doc is concerned we're focusing just on "how to participate"? 20:14:45 <MrJoshua> for tomorrow 20:14:47 <sarob> just the last section 20:14:51 <sarob> yup 20:15:25 <sarob> the developer training as a whole is meant to take two weeks 20:15:36 <sarob> we doing the condensed version 20:15:39 <sarob> 6 hours 20:16:17 <MrJoshua> Ok good, makes sense. I was concerned that we'd be burning time going over how to program in Python, TDD, or Agile etc. 20:16:26 <MrJoshua> I'm looking forward to it. 20:17:16 <sarob> nope, not enough time 20:17:28 <MrJoshua> yeah 20:17:38 <sarob> i working out the materials today 20:18:25 <sarob> ill be patching them to #link http://docs.openstack.org/training-guides/ 20:19:16 <MrJoshua> So I'm thinking this is 100% the focus for tomorrow, so I won't worry about discussing framework er... work. 20:19:23 <sarob> right 20:19:50 <sarob> my intent is to get the team up to speed on how to contribute 20:20:19 <sarob> then our framework contributions will be less difficult 20:20:47 <MrJoshua> Yep, great. Much needed. 20:21:05 <MrJoshua> Did Erik get you a head count yet? Any idea how many we have? 20:21:30 <sarob> right now its you, me, and guillaume 20:21:43 <sarob> which is fine as a first run at this 20:22:03 <sarob> next time you guys can help teach the next batch 20:22:56 <MrJoshua> Sure, and makes sense if we're reviewing. 20:23:53 <MrJoshua> So how are we doing it, online, at ETC, irc, phone ? 20:23:59 <sarob> at ETC 20:24:18 <MrJoshua> k, starting 9am? 20:25:49 <sarob> #link https://groups.google.com/a/etcusc.org/forum/#!topic/milk-dev/fVKUlXJjWCk 20:26:06 <sarob> i planned on 10am 20:26:18 <sarob> im flying in tomorrow morning 20:26:51 <MrJoshua> ok, all good then. 20:27:20 <sarob> lets change topics 20:27:30 <sarob> #topic milk api 20:28:07 <MrJoshua> Ok, so I've done some work with this, more or less in a vacuum. 20:28:21 <sarob> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Milk#design 20:28:37 <sarob> hit me with what you have 20:30:03 <MrJoshua> I've been putting together a Apiary 'blueprint'. 20:30:37 <sarob> this one #link http://docs.milk.apiary.io/ 20:31:47 <sarob> i agree with the approach 20:32:02 <sarob> define verbs, methods 20:32:19 <sarob> prototype in apiary 20:32:19 <MrJoshua> In it i've put a number of components there from our work on C4 that I think generalize well. 20:32:20 <MrJoshua> yes 20:32:24 <MrJoshua> that one 20:32:30 <MrJoshua> but I haven't published there yet 20:32:54 <sarob> ah okay 20:32:58 <MrJoshua> I'd like to integrate with Guillaume's work 20:33:14 <sarob> can you push your text to the milk wiki page? 20:33:49 <sarob> we should be communicating through the wiki, mailing list 20:33:50 <MrJoshua> And I was waiting to understand how to link it properly with OpenStack submission process . 20:33:51 <MrJoshua> yes 20:34:10 <MrJoshua> Which I will learn how to do tomorrow. ;) 20:34:12 <sarob> that way we can get the rest of the group involvved 20:34:15 <sarob> right 20:34:29 <sarob> dump what you are working on into the wiki 20:34:47 <MrJoshua> Yep, will do. 20:36:00 <sarob> I created a starting spot for you in the wiki design section 20:36:16 <sarob> see it? 20:36:23 <MrJoshua> Ah, yes good. 20:36:42 <sarob> the wiki syntax is a bit primitive but works 20:37:31 <MrJoshua> K, I'll manage I'm more a markdown person anyway. 20:37:36 <sarob> we just need to define some verbs, methods 20:37:45 <sarob> write up what you have 20:37:58 <sarob> once we decide on a few 20:38:07 <MrJoshua> Should I put the architecture notes from my email there too? 20:38:18 <sarob> we can get some thing pushed to the repo pretty quick 20:38:25 <sarob> yes 20:38:27 <sarob> def 20:38:44 <sarob> we can worry about cleaning up the structure 20:38:47 <sarob> after the fact 20:39:06 <sarob> better to get stuff on paper 20:39:17 <sarob> ready, shoot, aim 20:40:54 <MrJoshua> I never got any comments on that one way or another. 20:40:54 <MrJoshua> launchpad is strange. I used the wrong email address, changed it, but now it still wants to use the one I started with. 20:40:54 <MrJoshua> sure, sounds good. 20:41:29 <sarob> it creates an openid account 20:41:58 <sarob> https://launchpad.net/~sarob 20:42:01 <sarob> is mine 20:42:08 <MrJoshua> I'll try to dump as much as I can today, and over the next few days. 20:42:26 <sarob> excellent 20:42:40 <sarob> we could be done with the milk project in a few days 20:42:52 <sarob> its pretty simple concept 20:43:04 <sarob> its the collaboration that is the important bit 20:43:21 <MrJoshua> yes, always hard that. 20:43:31 <sarob> well we two 20:43:49 <MrJoshua> Ok sorted launch pad, odd UX, I'm easily confused. 20:44:04 <sarob> no prob 20:44:19 <sarob> thats what tomorrow is for 20:44:42 <sarob> to explain the contribution tools and workflow 20:45:14 <sarob> companies have failed because they couldnt figure it out 20:45:37 <sarob> its part of the reason openstack community work 20:46:15 <sarob> see you on the mailing list and wiki before tomorrow? 20:46:28 <sarob> ill be posting the link to the materials 20:47:02 <MrJoshua> Yep, I'll do my best. Bit of a tight schedule today to open up tomorrow, but I'll try to get out what I can. 20:47:11 <sarob> understood 20:47:18 <sarob> thanks for joining 20:47:21 <sarob> signing off 20:47:27 <MrJoshua> k later 20:47:30 <sarob> #endmeeting