20:01:33 <sarob> #startmeeting milk
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20:01:37 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'milk'
20:02:06 <MrJoshua> I'm here.
20:02:07 <MrJoshua> Finally.
20:02:24 <sarob> :)
20:02:34 <sarob> im pinging guillaume
20:04:15 <sarob> oh way, lets proceed
20:04:29 <sarob> #topic bootcamp
20:05:26 <sarob> #link https://docs.google.com/a/yahoo-inc.com/document/d/1QiZ_PJTIFwKOmHPYhtez0TTEXHUb1r21OV0-PoNN45U/edit?usp=sharing
20:06:10 <sarob> the bootcamp structure is laid out at the bottom of the gdoc
20:06:23 <sarob> have you a look?
20:06:38 <MrJoshua> Yes, Is that doc a cut and paste from something else?
20:08:15 <sarob> nope
20:08:24 <sarob> all created last week
20:08:35 <MrJoshua> K, so a few questions...
20:09:12 <sarob> question away
20:10:31 <MrJoshua> There's  discussion about difficulty level which sounds very general.  Are we talking about a certification system?  I guess I don't understand the relevance.
20:11:07 <sarob> im running an open source training program
20:11:30 <sarob> the training guide we are working on right now
20:11:51 <sarob> im creating a condensed version of the guide as a bootcamp
20:12:05 <sarob> to get etc devs up to speed
20:13:05 <sarob> the section Appendix: How To Participate Bootcamp
20:13:44 <sarob> we are going to run through the first revision of that tomorrow
20:14:20 <sarob> does that make more sense?
20:14:30 <MrJoshua> Ok got it.  So as far as this doc is concerned we're focusing just on "how to participate"?
20:14:45 <MrJoshua> for tomorrow
20:14:47 <sarob> just the last section
20:14:51 <sarob> yup
20:15:25 <sarob> the developer training as a whole is meant to take two weeks
20:15:36 <sarob> we doing the condensed version
20:15:39 <sarob> 6 hours
20:16:17 <MrJoshua> Ok good, makes sense.  I was concerned that we'd be burning time going over how to program in Python, TDD, or Agile etc.
20:16:26 <MrJoshua> I'm looking forward to it.
20:17:16 <sarob> nope, not enough time
20:17:28 <MrJoshua> yeah
20:17:38 <sarob> i working out the materials today
20:18:25 <sarob> ill be patching them to #link http://docs.openstack.org/training-guides/
20:19:16 <MrJoshua> So I'm thinking this is 100% the focus for tomorrow, so I won't worry about discussing framework er... work.
20:19:23 <sarob> right
20:19:50 <sarob> my intent is to get the team up to speed on how to contribute
20:20:19 <sarob> then our framework contributions will be less difficult
20:20:47 <MrJoshua> Yep, great.  Much needed.
20:21:05 <MrJoshua> Did Erik get you a head count yet?  Any idea how many we have?
20:21:30 <sarob> right now its you, me, and guillaume
20:21:43 <sarob> which is fine as a first run at this
20:22:03 <sarob> next time you guys can help teach the next batch
20:22:56 <MrJoshua> Sure, and makes sense if we're reviewing.
20:23:53 <MrJoshua> So how are we doing it, online, at ETC, irc, phone ?
20:23:59 <sarob> at ETC
20:24:18 <MrJoshua> k, starting 9am?
20:25:49 <sarob> #link https://groups.google.com/a/etcusc.org/forum/#!topic/milk-dev/fVKUlXJjWCk
20:26:06 <sarob> i planned on 10am
20:26:18 <sarob> im flying in tomorrow morning
20:26:51 <MrJoshua> ok, all good then.
20:27:20 <sarob> lets change topics
20:27:30 <sarob> #topic milk api
20:28:07 <MrJoshua> Ok, so I've done some work with this, more or less in a vacuum.
20:28:21 <sarob> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Milk#design
20:28:37 <sarob> hit me with what you have
20:30:03 <MrJoshua> I've been putting together a Apiary 'blueprint'.
20:30:37 <sarob> this one #link http://docs.milk.apiary.io/
20:31:47 <sarob> i agree with the approach
20:32:02 <sarob> define verbs, methods
20:32:19 <sarob> prototype in apiary
20:32:19 <MrJoshua> In it i've put a number of components there from our work on C4 that I think generalize well.
20:32:20 <MrJoshua> yes
20:32:24 <MrJoshua> that one
20:32:30 <MrJoshua> but I haven't published there yet
20:32:54 <sarob> ah okay
20:32:58 <MrJoshua> I'd like to integrate with Guillaume's work
20:33:14 <sarob> can you  push your text to the milk wiki page?
20:33:49 <sarob> we should be communicating through the wiki, mailing list
20:33:50 <MrJoshua> And I was waiting to understand how to link it properly with OpenStack submission process .
20:33:51 <MrJoshua> yes
20:34:10 <MrJoshua> Which I will learn how to do tomorrow. ;)
20:34:12 <sarob> that way we can get the rest of the group involvved
20:34:15 <sarob> right
20:34:29 <sarob> dump what you are working on into the wiki
20:34:47 <MrJoshua> Yep, will do.
20:36:00 <sarob> I created a starting spot for you in the wiki design section
20:36:16 <sarob> see it?
20:36:23 <MrJoshua> Ah, yes good.
20:36:42 <sarob> the wiki syntax is a bit primitive but works
20:37:31 <MrJoshua> K, I'll manage I'm more a markdown person anyway.
20:37:36 <sarob> we just need to define some verbs, methods
20:37:45 <sarob> write up what you have
20:37:58 <sarob> once we decide on a few
20:38:07 <MrJoshua> Should I put the architecture notes from my email there too?
20:38:18 <sarob> we can get some thing pushed to the repo pretty quick
20:38:25 <sarob> yes
20:38:27 <sarob> def
20:38:44 <sarob> we can worry about cleaning up the structure
20:38:47 <sarob> after the fact
20:39:06 <sarob> better to get stuff on paper
20:39:17 <sarob> ready, shoot, aim
20:40:54 <MrJoshua> I never got any comments on that one way or another.
20:40:54 <MrJoshua> launchpad is strange.  I used the wrong email address, changed it, but now it still wants to use the one I started with.
20:40:54 <MrJoshua> sure, sounds good.
20:41:29 <sarob> it creates an openid account
20:41:58 <sarob> https://launchpad.net/~sarob
20:42:01 <sarob> is mine
20:42:08 <MrJoshua> I'll try to dump as much as I can today, and over the next few days.
20:42:26 <sarob> excellent
20:42:40 <sarob> we could be done with the milk project in a few days
20:42:52 <sarob> its pretty simple concept
20:43:04 <sarob> its the collaboration that is the important bit
20:43:21 <MrJoshua> yes, always hard that.
20:43:31 <sarob> well we two
20:43:49 <MrJoshua> Ok sorted launch pad, odd UX, I'm easily confused.
20:44:04 <sarob> no prob
20:44:19 <sarob> thats what tomorrow is for
20:44:42 <sarob> to explain the contribution tools and workflow
20:45:14 <sarob> companies have failed because they couldnt figure it out
20:45:37 <sarob> its part of the reason openstack community work
20:46:15 <sarob> see you on the mailing list and wiki before tomorrow?
20:46:28 <sarob> ill be posting the link to the materials
20:47:02 <MrJoshua> Yep, I'll do my best.  Bit of a tight schedule today to open up tomorrow, but I'll try to get out what I can.
20:47:11 <sarob> understood
20:47:18 <sarob> thanks for joining
20:47:21 <sarob> signing off
20:47:27 <MrJoshua> k later
20:47:30 <sarob> #endmeeting