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15:01:15 <rhochmuth> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda
15:01:18 <witek_> hello
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15:01:26 <joadavis> hello
15:01:30 <rhochmuth> Agenda for Wednesday May 17 2017 (15:00 UTC)
15:01:30 <rhochmuth> 1.	Using oslo_config for detection plugins https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000999
15:01:30 <rhochmuth> 2.	Feedback from OpenStack Summit
15:01:30 <rhochmuth> •	complicated deployment
15:01:30 <rhochmuth> •	no scalable opensource DB
15:01:30 <rhochmuth> •	comparisons with Ceilometer/Gnocchi
15:01:30 <rhochmuth> 3. Create a pike branch for monasca-transform
15:01:31 <rhochmuth> 4. Pike release
15:01:31 <rhochmuth> 5. Alarm silencing, inhibition and grouping update
15:01:32 <rhochmuth> 6. Grafana update
15:01:32 <rhochmuth> 7. Reviews that should be addressed?
15:01:32 <bklei_> o/
15:01:33 <qwebirc69975> hello
15:01:37 <hosanai> o/
15:01:54 <rhochmuth> wow, good group today
15:02:16 <rhochmuth> so let's get started on the agenda
15:02:27 <rhochmuth> #topic Using oslo_config for detection plugins
15:02:34 <rhochmuth> https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000999
15:02:58 <witek_> Summit has posted it for the last week
15:03:07 <witek_> I just moved it over
15:04:04 <witek_> I think the proposed idea is good
15:04:05 <Guest24241> unfortunately he's not here today
15:05:27 <witek_> also we could try to coordinate it for all services in one place, as kornicameister suggested
15:05:45 <rhochmuth> sounds good to me
15:06:23 <rhochmuth> is there anything else to discuss on this topic?
15:06:44 <witek_> not sure, not from me
15:06:58 <rhochmuth> #topic Feedback from OpenStack Summit
15:07:46 <witek_> I have added three most frequenly asked questions we had during the Summit
15:08:31 <witek_> * complicated deployment, no scalable DB and differences to Ceilometer
15:08:54 <witek_> I have attended several sessions about kolla, esp. kolla-ansible
15:09:27 <witek_> I think we could have a closer look at as the mean of easy Monasca deployment
15:10:48 <rhochmuth> I think the monasca-docker and monasca-helm repos help in the short-term
15:10:56 <rhochmuth> but those are outside of OpenSTack and Kolla
15:11:46 <timothyb89> easy deployment is certainly the goal for both monasca-docker and monasca-helm
15:12:07 <witek_> yes, you have done a lot of work on it, and it's the right direction
15:12:21 <witek_> but it doesn't have visibility in OpenStack
15:13:03 <rhochmuth> so, how do we create some visibility, without joining Kolla
15:13:12 <rhochmuth> or how do we join Kolla
15:13:24 <rhochmuth> and get the visibility that way?
15:13:44 <witek_> I would like to check how much effort would it be to join kolla, kolla-ansible
15:13:53 <timothyb89> considering the discussions on the -dev list we may want to tread carefully there, since we intend to release binary images
15:15:03 <dhague> There is also https://github.com/sapcc/helm-charts/tree/master/openstack/monasca of course :)
15:16:06 <rhochmuth> witek, if you want to follow-up with the Kolla team and PTL to get there thoughts/ideas on this, that might help
15:16:25 <rhochmuth> i'm sure timothyb89 and hoppal might be up for some discussions
15:16:34 <witek_> yes, will follow this
15:16:43 <rhochmuth> please feel free to involve me too
15:16:47 <timothyb89> sure, I'd be happy to discuss further
15:16:51 <rhochmuth> i'm not the docker/helm expert
15:16:54 <witek_> great, thanks
15:17:00 <rhochmuth> thanks timothyb89
15:17:13 <joadavis> I think keeping a maintained devstack install helps too, for those who aren't ready for containerizing to reference.
15:17:16 <witek_> dhague: kolla-ansible is without k8s
15:17:54 <rhochmuth> well, one thing that might help development is creating a development process for a Docker install
15:17:55 <witek_> joadavis: yes :)
15:18:55 <timothyb89> the dev process is one of the goals for monasca-docker, mostly that needs documentation at this point :)
15:19:40 <rhochmuth> i think DevStack has always been a bit of a obstacle/barrier to developers getting involved with Monasca
15:20:44 <rhochmuth> #topic no scalable opensource DB
15:20:59 <witek_> right, nothing new, but painful
15:22:03 <witek_> just wanted to note that many people asked about it
15:22:09 <kamil_> Is this a seperate topic, or just a feedback from openstack summit?
15:22:16 <rhochmuth> other than some of the work that is continuing on with cassandra, i don't see any other grat alternatives, beyond influxdb
15:22:34 <rhochmuth> still the same topic
15:22:39 <rhochmuth> kamil_
15:23:21 <witek_> and the last question group: will Monasa replace Ceilometer?
15:23:37 <witek_> Ceilometer API has been deprecated in Ocata
15:23:49 <witek_> also Gnocchi is moving out from OpenStack
15:23:58 <joadavis> I think the differences from Ceilometer are a positive aspect. :)
15:24:01 <rhochmuth> hmmm, the Ceilometer v2.0 api has been deprecated?
15:24:25 <joadavis> yes, still in for ocata and pike (so far) but marked as deprecated
15:24:41 <dhague> ceilometer is more about routing events & metrics to the respective storage engines (gnocchi, panko)
15:24:51 <dhague> so the API is gone, but the component is still there
15:25:10 <agatea> gnocchi is moving out of openstack?
15:25:57 <dhague> ceilometer serves a purpose for capturing audit events, although at SAP we are in the process of deprecating its usage anyway and just listening to oslo notifications with logstash
15:25:57 <witek_> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114300.html
15:26:17 <rhochmuth> so, i think ceilometer is still very useful to monasca in terms of data collection
15:26:36 <joadavis> (shameless plug) or we can have ceilometer push to monasca with ceilosca
15:26:38 <dhague> I would agree, especially when coupled with oslo.kafka
15:26:48 <dhague> +1 joadavis
15:27:00 <agatea> thx witek!
15:27:22 <rhochmuth> the monasaca api can be used for metering/billing
15:27:23 <dhague> main difference I see: ceilometer is for openstack admins, monasca is for openstack end-users as consumers
15:27:58 <rhochmuth> so, does this imply that metering/billing use cases in addition to monitoring would be best served by the monasca api?
15:28:27 <rhochmuth> since ceilometer api is deprecated, and gnocchi is not part of openstack
15:29:09 <jgu> +1 best servered by monasca api, rhochmuth
15:29:20 <agatea> rhochmuth: yes that would the case
15:29:32 <rhochmuth> i guess that seems like a reasonable position, since we were already doing this
15:29:35 <dhague> I would argue that there is plenty in monasca's backlog without worrying about metering/billing, which (with auditing) is well served by ceilometer
15:29:41 <witek_> I think people will still use it, but projects such as cloudkitty want to integrate with Monasca too
15:31:49 <rhochmuth> it would be nice to see monasca integrate with cloudkitty, watcher, …
15:32:17 <joadavis> talligent...
15:32:27 <witek_> rhochmuth: yes, I think we should follow-up on this
15:33:02 <rhochmuth> so, are there any next steps/actions for folks to work on
15:33:58 <witek_> I want to follow-up with CloudKitty and Watcher
15:34:13 <rhochmuth> thanks witek_
15:34:41 <witek_> ok, to end the topic
15:34:45 <rhochmuth> in addition, there is vitrage
15:35:01 <witek_> added the videos to the wiki page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Monasca#Presentations
15:35:44 <rhochmuth> thanks witek_
15:35:49 <witek_> :)
15:35:51 <rhochmuth> so let's move on to next topic
15:36:15 <rhochmuth> we'll wait for updates from you on how your discussions go with watcher and cloudkitty
15:36:37 <witek_> thanks rhochmuth
15:36:44 <rhochmuth> but feel free to involve others
15:36:58 <witek_> sure
15:37:41 <rhochmuth> #topic Create a pike branch for monasca-transform
15:38:14 <witek_> I have missed that, there is no tag in that repo at all
15:38:18 <agatea> monasca-transform hasnt had a branch created yet. Since pike-milestone-3 is coming up wanted to know what steps are needed to get it included
15:39:41 <rhochmuth> so, witek_, will you create a tag, or would you like agatea to create one?
15:39:52 <witek_> yes, I can label a tag for you
15:40:00 <rhochmuth> thx witek_
15:40:01 <witek_> and cut the branch
15:40:22 <rhochmuth> agatea: while you are here, i just wanted to point out this, https://github.com/monasca/monasca-aggregator
15:40:25 <witek_> let's follow offline, and let me know which commit I should use
15:40:28 <agatea> thanks witek_! we really appreciate it
15:41:02 <witek_> also, which release type should it follow
15:41:30 <agatea> rhochmuth: will take a look
15:41:40 <rhochmuth> thx
15:41:42 <witek_> cycle-with-intermediary as most of the other repos?
15:41:57 <rhochmuth> witek_: i think that makes sense
15:43:02 <rhochmuth> #topic pike release
15:43:17 <rhochmuth> are there any updates in this area
15:43:31 <witek_> June 8 is milestone-2
15:43:32 <rhochmuth> besides getting monasca-transform part of the release
15:43:48 <rhochmuth> so, i'm assuming that we are in good shape
15:44:06 <rhochmuth> although, i'm wondering if we'll be able to make alarm silencing, inhibition and grouping in that time
15:45:20 <witek_> RC1 target week is Aug 07 - Aug 11
15:45:36 <rhochmuth> well, we should be able to make that date
15:46:34 <rhochmuth> so, sounds like we are on track, and no issues
15:46:39 <rhochmuth> thx witek_
15:46:58 <witek_> I haven't generated any issues :)
15:47:09 <rhochmuth> #topic Alarm silencing, inhibition and grouping update
15:47:27 <rhochmuth> i just wanted to mention that this is nearing completion
15:47:38 <rhochmuth> there are a bunch of reviews in flight
15:48:14 <witek_> could you give here the reference to reviews again?
15:48:31 <rhochmuth> i'll need to collate them seperately and provide directions
15:48:43 <witek_> ok, thanks
15:48:45 <rhochmuth> i'll follow-up with andrea and send somethign out to the openstack-dev list
15:49:43 <rhochmuth> #topic  Grafana update
15:50:59 <rhochmuth> We've made some progress on gettign a SOW signed with Grafana Labs to add Keystone integration to the Grafana master/source
15:51:12 <rhochmuth> hopefully, that will get signed relatively soon
15:51:21 <rhochmuth> dhague: ^^^
15:51:35 <witek_> wow, great news
15:52:08 <rhochmuth> hopefully the contract/sow gets signed
15:52:22 <rhochmuth> #topic Reviews that should be addressed?
15:52:39 <rhochmuth> besides the reviews we've discussed so far, are there any other reviews to consider
15:53:11 <timothyb89> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461917/ will be good to go once the tests are passing
15:53:54 <rhochmuth> thx timothyb89
15:54:00 <rhochmuth> i'll take a look
15:54:18 <rhochmuth> is there a way to get a screen shot of the notifications?
15:54:34 <timothyb89> I think I have one handy
15:55:03 <witek_> I have used them in the workshop in Boston
15:55:05 <rhochmuth> not sure how to add that as a link to the review, but that might help show folks what this thing looks like
15:56:30 <timothyb89> hm, apparently I don't have an image handy, but I will add it to the review :)
15:56:39 <rhochmuth> thx
15:57:00 <rhochmuth> so, i guess that is it for today, unless there is a final topic in closing
15:58:26 <rhochmuth> thanks everyone
15:58:35 <witek_> thank you
15:58:51 <witek_> bye
15:58:56 <koji> thanks
15:59:02 <agatea> bye thanks!
15:59:17 <haruki> thanks bye
15:59:32 <rhochmuth> #endmeeting