17:00:37 #startmeeting murano 17:00:38 Meeting started Tue May 20 17:00:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:39 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:00:42 The meeting name has been set to 'murano' 17:01:09 #topic Roll Call 17:01:13 Serg Melikyan 17:01:15 Ankur Rishi 17:01:19 Steve McLellan 17:01:28 Stan Lagun 17:01:33 Igor Yozhikov 17:01:40 Kate Fedorova 17:01:55 Georgy Okrokvertskhov 17:02:12 Anastasia Kuznetsova 17:02:20 Welcome to Murano weekly meeting :) 17:02:37 Hi guys! 17:02:47 #topic Action Items Review 17:03:28 Hi 17:03:41 Hi. 17:03:56 Dmitry did you start work on MSSQL Cluster porting? 17:04:01 Looks like there are no Action Items from previous meeting 17:04:11 We have a customer who wants this.. 17:04:39 #info no AI from previous meeting 17:04:56 gokrokve, He did, actually we have some issues with AD deployment now 17:04:58 gokrokve, yes, but actually I was working on fixing AD issues today. 17:05:01 #topic BugScrab/BP Review planning 17:05:18 However, this is a requred part of MsSQL cluster anyway 17:05:25 Guys, let's stick to the agenda :) 17:05:27 Thanks 17:05:30 hi there! 17:05:39 BP review for which release? 17:05:47 Juno M1? 17:05:51 Yes 17:05:59 ok 17:06:13 #link http://doodle.com/cqf4biexd45ngi7i - BP Review Doodle 17:06:33 There is a new process in OpenStack to use a repo with specs and do a review in Gerrit. 17:06:38 Please, open this doodle and let me know if you have suggestion with another time, that not mentioned there 17:06:45 I think we can adopt this process too. 17:07:12 It allows to keep a history of review and also enables a good communication between team members. 17:07:56 gokrokve: I am not sure - this is very long process. that may work well for Nova, but not for projects that move faster 17:07:57 gokrokve: is there one single repo for specs of all OS projects? 17:08:17 tsufiev_: It is a repo per project 17:08:21 Is it UTC format? 17:08:49 let's do Friday 17:08:57 katyafervent: yes 17:09:22 Time in doodle is in UTC, so please add or subtract your timezone difference from UTC 17:09:37 i can be available whenever 17:09:46 how will we approve the decision? 17:10:13 I will send mail with final date and time to ML 17:10:41 Excellent! Should we move on? 17:10:45 #info will send message with final date & time for BugScrab/BP Review 17:10:48 Ok. Do we have a list of BP prepared? 17:10:53 #link http://doodle.com/9yzmx5gpe336ac34 - BugScrub 17:11:14 Please make sure we have all BP on launchpad. 17:11:25 Let's do the same for BugScrab doodle. We have no requirement to do this right now, just do not forgot to do this today :) 17:11:28 I will open couple BPs today for a new requested features. 17:11:52 i'll make sure anything i know we'll need has a blueprint by then too 17:12:08 I think we need to have bugscrub meeting on regular basis. 17:12:09 gokrokve, cool! we have two days to prepare BP list 17:12:31 Minimum once a month. 17:12:47 Bi-weekly probably will work fine. 17:12:52 +1 we can set first Monday of the month 17:13:10 ok 17:13:32 Lets have it on 1st Monday each month. Any objections? 17:14:00 nope, sounds good to me 17:14:05 no 17:14:15 +1 17:14:26 #info BugScrab meeting will be held at 1st Monday of the month 17:14:37 Cool. Serg, please record this. In a court they say "For the record".... 17:15:29 gokrokve: did it above ^^ :) 17:15:34 Thanks 17:15:39 #topic Documentation Status 17:16:01 So the next meeting will be on the 2d of June 17:16:13 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-documentation-status 17:16:27 katyafervent prepered a list of topics that need to be published in our docs ^^^^ 17:16:44 An error occured while loading the pad 17:16:50 ah, cool. i will see if our team has anything to add to this 17:16:53 Here is the link with some points we need to improve, does somebody have something to extend this list? 17:17:14 Any important topic that are not already covered in docs and not in the list above? 17:17:44 this looks like a good list - the package docs are the most crucial IMO 17:17:49 Do I need to create a BP as the result? or file bugs for each point? 17:17:56 sjmc7: it will be very interesting, since guys just starting working on Murano and I think constantly hit some not covered topics 17:18:18 yes. like us :) 17:18:22 katyafervent: funny, we have docs not listed in this etherpad 17:18:25 katyafervent: i think you can create BP, this is not a bug 17:18:59 Let's go with a BP for new topics and bugs for improvements 17:19:32 #info we will create BP for new topics that needs to be added to the docs and bugs for improvements of existing ones 17:19:34 sergmelikyan_, got you 17:19:50 sergmelikyan_: some improvements are bigger than some new topics :) 17:20:20 tsufiev_: BP vs Bug not measured in a lines of code :) 17:20:32 that's true )) 17:21:07 #topic Review Roadmap 17:21:16 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/Roadmap - Murano Roadmap 17:22:27 I think this thing better discuss after we will review BP for J1 17:22:43 yes, we did not update it 17:22:51 sergmelikyan_ - yeah, at this point i think we just need to tag blueprints for juno and work from that list 17:23:01 we can do that friday or whenever we decide to do it 17:23:07 why don't we have a 0.5.1 in this list? do we plan it? 17:23:28 I suggest to postpone this topic, and return to reviewing our roadmap on BP Review meeting 17:23:44 sjmc7: yes 17:23:45 there are some things on here that are still kind of vague, too 17:23:48 the 'align' ones 17:24:25 we need to make a decision as soon as we can what will be the state of things for juno 17:24:33 sjmc7: I think they was created long time ago, and we should break down features to milestones and be more specific 17:24:44 sjmc7: +1 17:25:12 any objections about moving discussions of Roadmap review to our BP Review meeting? 17:25:19 not from me 17:25:24 no 17:26:16 #info moved discussion of Murano Roadmap to our BP Review meeting 17:27:11 #topic Planning of Demo 17:27:42 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano_demo_plans we have a list of proposed topics for making demo 17:28:49 I guess we should have separate demo on using heat templates as application definition, right? 17:28:50 I suggest to review this list, and add thoughts about what topic will be interesting to cover 17:29:17 for me, 2 3 4 are most useful right now 17:29:30 we have already 2 dynamic UI demos for older versions - 0.2 (if i recall correctly) and 0.4 17:30:21 the only change in it since 0.4 is ability to use reference-type to some Application (by its fqn) 17:30:35 sjmc7: +1, agree topics related to exposing Murano as Application Catalog for OpenStack are most interesting ones from my POV 17:31:34 All our demos should be listed here why it's not listed https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/Screencasts 17:31:47 Timur, please add it 17:32:19 katyafervent: will do 17:33:01 what about new demo for dynamic ui and murano pl object model? 17:33:06 katyafervent: can you shorten this list to ones related directly to AppCatalog functionality and I think it's better to discuss this topic in ML? 17:33:14 gokrokve: what do you think? 17:33:45 Good. Heat team might be interested in this demo. 17:34:00 gokrokve: in which one? 17:34:09 Dynamic UI 17:34:14 what do we need to discuss, we need to record demos! 17:34:51 discuss which one do first $) 17:35:00 Also there was a questions about Ju-ju style UI in Murano. 17:35:12 Does anybody want to take a topic and record short video? 17:35:19 Which can be reused by other projects. 17:35:57 katyafervent: i want, i signed in the list 17:35:59 gokrokve: first Ju-ju style should be implemented at least in Murano :) 17:36:08 akuznetsova_, Great! 17:36:32 Will we create BP for that ju-ju ui? 17:36:35 katyafervent: I've added 0.4 dynamic UI demo to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNd3b9CC5mU 17:36:49 meant https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/Screencasts 17:38:41 katyafervent: sure we can. still there are a couple ui blueprints in drafting/discussion state... 17:38:56 with the heat-template-as-a-package thing, the heat team will likely be interested in adding functionality to the existing orchestration UI 17:39:32 e.g. this one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/murano-ui-horizon-patterns 17:39:49 or this one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/dynamic-ui-v3 17:40:41 sjmc7: What functionality? 17:40:51 dynamic UI for heat templates 17:41:28 but i think we've gone a little off topic 17:41:30 sjmc7: they have they own implementation - not sure that our is better 17:41:56 ok 17:42:10 I think we need to record first 4 demos 17:42:19 There was a suggestion to have cross-project group to work on UI, we will explore this on the next meeting I believe. 17:42:35 If somebody has nothing else to add. 17:42:45 tsufiev_: I suggest you to read through etherpad from our Heat/Solum/Murano meeting 17:43:18 gokrokve: ? Do you agree on list of demos? 17:43:20 sergmelikyan_: ok 17:44:02 Where is the list? 17:44:18 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano_demo_plans 17:44:23 gokrokve: ^^ 17:45:48 yes 17:45:51 looks good. 17:46:30 #info https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano_demo_plans - first four items should be done 17:46:43 #topic Open Discussion 17:46:58 Should we make gate tests voting? 17:48:08 i discussed this with ruhe last week. if it's practical to make them voting, i'm in favor of it 17:48:13 it depends how stable they are 17:49:35 and also, i guess, what's common in other projects 17:50:03 Do we have out CI working? Last time it put -1 due to test issues. 17:50:15 It is important to have stable gate. 17:50:30 i'd like to draw your attention to the drafting dynamic UI v3: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/dynamic-ui-v3 17:50:47 it has a link to etherpad inside 17:50:58 I am not sure, I think it is quite stable, but we should wait Ruslan for final call on voting gate 17:51:13 I think we should make it voting 17:51:33 ok. the gate tests are passing at least for most commits. i can take a look at where they're not 17:51:47 but agree, it can wait for ruslan to make the call 17:51:49 and they will be fixed quicker :) 17:53:05 speaking of that blueprint, we need to gather as much requirements before approving the spec - most probably it won't be backwards compatible with v2 17:53:26 Ruslan will be available from monday 17:54:08 so i encourage you to read it and comment (in launchpad or in etherpad) 17:55:23 tsufiev_: sure 17:56:52 #endmeeting