17:00:58 #startmeeting murano 17:00:59 Meeting started Tue Dec 8 17:00:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:00 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:01:02 The meeting name has been set to 'murano' 17:01:22 o/ 17:01:24 o/ 17:01:25 o/ 17:01:30 Welcome to our weekly meeting :) 17:03:04 shame enthurohini is not here today. Gotta ping her to see if she actually can make it to this meeting. wonder which TZ she lives in 17:03:11 o/ 17:03:29 kzaitsev_mb: I believe its UTC +5:30 17:04:13 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda - our agenda for todays meeting 17:04:25 #topic Action Items Review 17:05:06 I've finished mine with the bps 17:05:21 superceeded one with the other and updated description on the 2d one 17:05:32 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/better-package-dependency-ui 17:05:42 o/ 17:06:10 kzaitsev_mb: thank you :) 17:06:16 I've finished investigation of rtfd hooks ;) 17:06:34 Now we have rtfd post job on review 17:06:46 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254855/ 17:07:29 wow, great! 17:08:02 awesome! 17:08:05 kzaitsev_mb: It turned out, it's easier than I thought 17:08:22 cool! 17:08:51 #topic Dropping Milestones and Blueprints 17:09:05 kzaitsev_mb: next topic is added by you - proceed please ) 17:10:14 so the idea is — many projects start abandoning using milestones and blueprints. 17:11:04 The general direction is that launchpad will no longer be used to track what has been done 17:11:23 by openstack projects — just to track what is about to be done 17:11:40 for tracking what has been done we would use RENO anyway 17:12:04 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081435.html 17:12:26 kzaitsev_mb: it is hard to use list of bugs without understanding if they were fixed already on not 17:12:27 here is the thread from Ironic guys, where they discuss the same idea 17:12:56 stan_lagun: as soon as the commit lands the bug is going to be moved to Fix Released 17:12:59 starting today 17:13:17 this does have sense, tho I am sure that we should not do that in Mitaka 17:13:35 sergmelikyan: yep. I'm not pushing this, tbh. 17:14:09 I just wanted for you guys to be aware of the direction openstack and it's release tracking tools are heading. 17:16:09 I'm not 100% sure on the milestones part of the idea. But I kind of like the blueprints part. We use/have specs anyway 17:16:36 kzaitsev_mb: I think this is logical continuation of the idea of moving train 17:17:06 So a feature either requires a spec or does not require a blueprint and can be tracked as a bug.. 17:17:31 kzaitsev_mb: I actually like idea of stop using milestones - what the reason to have them? 17:17:34 Well what I want is to make you think a bit on these 2 ideas =) 17:17:48 kzaitsev_mb: Already do :) 17:17:55 So, does this mean that every landed patch will result in a tar all? 17:17:56 Tarball* 17:18:01 blueprints currently are the only way to track dependencies between features 17:18:27 ativelkov: for stable branches starting with liberty this is the case 17:18:44 stan_lagun: fair point. but do we use this feature? 17:18:48 ativelkov: it's already happening - on each commit there is a tarball 17:19:01 I mean there is only one tarball which is rebuilt on each commit 17:19:02 I see 17:19:17 kzaitsev_mb: I do. For complex features with a lot of tasks it make sense to use 17:19:26 sergmelikyan: ativelkov: well actually I haven't released one for L. Plan to do, maybe this week =) We had a number of patches land there 17:19:50 also blueprint is the place where you can save a link to etherpad 17:22:10 kzaitsev_mb: What about for tracking new tests, for example? Test is not a feature... 17:23:11 Let's do it this way — I'd write an email to ML, summarising pros and cons of both of these ideas and we'll have a discussion there. Then after we have a couple of opinions I'll add the same item to our meeting agend again, to finalise the decision? What do you think? 17:23:51 kzaitsev_mb: Agreed. 17:25:06 #action kzaitsev_mb outline pros and cons of abandoning milestones & bps in ML 17:27:27 k, so we kind of like the idea of not using milestones and kind of dislike the idea of not using BPs =) 17:33:43 sergmelikyan: let's move to open discussion maybe? =) 17:33:54 I thought we already there ) 17:34:00 #topic Open Discussion 17:36:25 seems a bit slow today =) 17:43:09 I suggest we end the meeting early today =) 17:44:09 + ;) 17:45:14 sergmelikyan: ^^ 17:56:18 #endmeeting