17:01:09 <kzaitsev_mb> #startmeeting murano 17:01:10 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Aug 9 17:01:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:11 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:01:13 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'murano' 17:01:17 <Nikolay_St> hi all 17:01:18 <kzaitsev_mb> o/ 17:01:26 <kzaitsev_mb> hi folks I'm back =) 17:01:30 <Nikolay_St> sorry, I need to skip todays meetinh :( 17:01:53 <osh> \o/ 17:02:06 <HoloIRCUser5> O/ 17:02:32 <HoloIRCUser5> O/ 😃 17:02:54 <lexplua> o/ 17:04:39 <ddovbii_> 0/ 17:05:06 <kzaitsev_mb> let's see if there were any AI's from the last meeting 17:06:20 <kzaitsev_mb> 1) vakovalchuk Talk to the horizon team to finish the bugfix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344871/ 17:06:23 <kzaitsev_mb> just this one 17:06:50 <vakovalchuk_> hi folks. sorry for being late 17:07:08 <vakovalchuk_> and my app on the phone refused to change the nick 17:07:40 <kzaitsev_mb> np =) I've just been trying to reasch you with other means ) 17:07:46 <kzaitsev_mb> so you had an AI from last time =) 17:07:52 <vakovalchuk_> the horizon team had merged that patch before I managed to talk to them :) 17:07:55 <kzaitsev_mb> btw thanks for handling the meeting ;) 17:07:58 <kzaitsev_mb> yay 17:08:33 <kzaitsev_mb> yep, I think I've just updated my horizon without seeing the bug, so I was wondering if it's gone 17:08:37 <kzaitsev_mb> good to hear that it is 17:08:59 <kzaitsev_mb> ok, our agenda for today is empty 17:09:01 <kzaitsev_mb> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda 17:09:08 <kzaitsev_mb> so let's hop right int open discussion 17:09:13 <kzaitsev_mb> #topic Open Discussion 17:09:49 <ddovbii_> folks, I have a topic to discuss 17:10:02 <kzaitsev_mb> I've actually wanted to discuss a couple of things (and I guess I should add them to our agenda next time to get more attention) 17:10:42 <ddovbii_> last week I prepared a doc with my proposal to restructure murano-apps repo 17:11:07 <kzaitsev_mb> ddovbii_: and you forgot to add the topic to agenda ;) 17:11:14 <ddovbii_> kzaitsev_mb, yep (( 17:11:33 <kzaitsev_mb> can you share a link to the etherpad? 17:11:41 <ddovbii_> ofc 17:11:42 <ddovbii_> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/restructure-murano-apps 17:11:54 <kzaitsev_mb> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/restructure-murano-apps 17:13:14 <ddovbii_> so folks, could you look at it and please share your thoughts 17:13:25 <kzaitsev_mb> ddovbii_: why is bind on the murano-apps? 17:14:12 <ddovbii_> do you think we should place it into separate repo? 17:14:49 <kzaitsev_mb> ah it's needed by the clearwater, right? 17:14:59 <lexplua> why not ? it's independent app 17:15:01 <kzaitsev_mb> so demoting it to an example would be a bad idea 17:15:25 <kzaitsev_mb> lexplua: because it brings little value on it's own and we can just say, that it's an example ) 17:16:14 <ddovbii_> > ah it's needed by the clearwater, right? - yes 17:16:27 <kzaitsev_mb> lexplua: basically the idea is to clean up murano-apps repo. Some apps are simple and have little value, other than examples — those would be deleted or would go to murano repo under examples directory 17:16:58 <kzaitsev_mb> 2) some apps are important, but small enough for a separate repo — we'll leave them in murano-apps and would let the murano-apps handle them 17:17:21 <lexplua> Sure 17:17:46 <kzaitsev_mb> 3) and few are big enough to have repos of their own (namely k8s) — separate repo means independant release cycle, but also more responsibility and more effort to support 17:18:54 <kzaitsev_mb> ddovbii_: I would keep ActiveDirectory in murano-apps (since murano and murano-apps teams currently do not have plans to develop and support it independently) 17:19:11 <kzaitsev_mb> and I don't think we have a lot of Active Directory experts for that part ) 17:19:59 <ddovbii_> kzaitsev_mb, yes, you are right. also, maybe we should create separate repo for all dockerized little apps? 17:20:23 <ddovbii_> murano-docker-hub =) 17:20:37 <kzaitsev_mb> not really sure it's a good idea =) 17:20:51 <kzaitsev_mb> maybe a sub-directory in k8s suite repo? 17:21:12 <kzaitsev_mb> If I could — I'd rather keep 2 or 3 of them, since they're all the same, tbh 17:21:46 <ddovbii_> in murano-apps? 17:23:06 <kzaitsev_mb> ddovbii_: nope, those in k8s 17:23:18 <ddovbii_> hm 17:23:19 <ddovbii_> ok 17:23:20 <kzaitsev_mb> in the k8s repository, I mean 17:24:07 <ddovbii_> that others think? ;) 17:24:12 <StanLagun> we should have example Windows apps. At least in order to see execution plan format because it differs 17:24:14 <ddovbii_> *what 17:26:19 <ddovbii_> StanLagun, well this app is quite difficult. I'm not sure that we should put it to murano-examples. maybe let's leave it in murano-apps? 17:26:29 <ddovbii_> ActiveDirectory I mean 17:26:42 <kzaitsev_mb> I'd also like to keep wordpress suite more or less intact, but actually it migth be ok to keep it in examples 17:26:51 <kzaitsev_mb> StanLagun: noted in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/restructure-murano-apps 17:27:32 <StanLagun> well then we should spend some time on a better windows example which might take more time :) 17:30:16 <ddovbii_> we already have apache for linux. lets create some web server for windows =) 17:30:37 <kzaitsev_mb> ddovbii_: so this leaves us with only 2 separate repos for murano apps (if we rule out AD) 17:31:17 <kzaitsev_mb> I suggest you update the etherpad and we start implementing the changes ) 17:32:08 <ddovbii_> kzaitsev_mb, yes. At least while the rest of the application is not started to rise =) 17:33:23 <kzaitsev_mb> ddovbii_: lets start slowly, this would bring some attention both from murano-team and murano-apps-team =) In case anyone would want to iterfere ) 17:33:53 <ddovbii_> agree 17:34:04 <kzaitsev_mb> #agreed follow the plan described in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/restructure-murano-apps 17:34:26 <kzaitsev_mb> ok, thanks for doing this ddovbii_! =) 17:34:42 <ddovbii_> no problem) 17:34:47 <kzaitsev_mb> there should be a #thanks or #praise tag %) 17:35:24 <kzaitsev_mb> ok, I wanted to discuss a couple of things, but would probably leave it to ML/next meeting, to put that on agenda 17:35:51 <kzaitsev_mb> #idea should we make gate-tempest-dsvm-murano-glare-backend voting 17:36:36 <kzaitsev_mb> Given that glare is moving to a separate project — there would certainly be some transition period 17:37:11 <kzaitsev_mb> i've pinged mfedosin and he promised, that the code would be intact, at least untill newton 17:37:47 <kzaitsev_mb> however last time it broke — it actually caught a bug 17:38:02 <kzaitsev_mb> (that should be fixed now that 0.10.0 is out) 17:40:31 <kzaitsev_mb> #action kzaitsev_mb move discussion about gate-tempest-dsvm-murano-glare-backend (and upcoming CI jobs) voting to ML 17:41:42 <kzaitsev_mb> 2) I'm going to write another letter to see if anyone uses our congress and mistrall integrations 17:42:15 <kzaitsev_mb> the job was broken for quite some time and no one expressed any interest in it =( which makes me a bit sad 17:42:41 <kzaitsev_mb> but then again this might mean that we have some dead code, that no one uses and dead code == tech debt 17:43:39 <kzaitsev_mb> I'd suggest to move the integration to contrib in the form of plugins (both congress and mistral), unless there is demand to use it in the current state from someone 17:43:55 <ddovbii_> +1 17:44:13 <kzaitsev_mb> if any of you guys know someone, who uses mistrall or congress integration in murano — pls ping them =) 17:44:36 <kzaitsev_mb> while I'm going to ask on ML ) 17:45:24 <kzaitsev_mb> #action kzaitsev_mb ask on ML about congress/mistrall integrations and whether there are folks, who need/use them 17:46:31 <kzaitsev_mb> ok, that's all from my side 17:46:57 <kzaitsev_mb> anyone of you folks has anything to discuss/ask? =) 17:49:54 <kzaitsev_mb> ok, I assome not ) 17:50:22 <kzaitsev_mb> thanks everyone for joining today, going to end the meeting 10mins earlier to save you guys some time ) 17:50:28 <kzaitsev_mb> see you in #murano 17:50:31 <kzaitsev_mb> =) 17:50:39 <kzaitsev_mb> #endmeeting