21:03:59 <markmcclain> #startmeeting Networking
21:04:00 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Oct 21 21:03:59 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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21:04:41 <markmcclain> #topic General Announcements
21:05:20 <markmcclain> #info 2013.2 (Havana) was released last Thursday
21:05:56 <markmcclain> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2013-October/000151.html
21:06:38 <markmcclain> I'm very excited about this release and thanks to everyone for their hard work
21:08:10 <markmcclain> In addition there was stable release on 10/17
21:08:10 <markmcclain> http://tarballs.openstack.org/neutron/quantum-2013.1.4.tar.gz
21:08:14 <markmcclain> #link http://tarballs.openstack.org/neutron/quantum-2013.1.4.tar.gz
21:08:38 <dkehn> markmcclain, congrats on the Technical Committee elections
21:08:44 <markmcclain> dkehn: thanks!
21:08:47 <mestery> dkehn: +1 to markmcclain!
21:09:29 <nati_ueno> congrat!
21:09:37 <markmcclain> mestery, nati_ueno: thanks
21:10:04 <markmcclain> Now that that Havana has been released the stable team will now focus on backports from master to Havana
21:10:51 <markmcclain> if you have backports which have landed in master, but were not in the final Havana release please make sure they are tagged havana-backport-pontential
21:11:18 <markmcclain> Any questions on the releases and stable backports?
21:12:06 <markmcclain> #topic API docs
21:12:08 <markmcclain> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+bugs?field.tag=netconn-api
21:12:35 <markmcclain> salv-orlando is on vacation this week
21:12:53 <arosen1> I have the mutli-provider api doc on my list of todo's for this week.
21:13:02 <markmcclain> awesome thanks!
21:13:30 <mestery> arosen1: I can review that if you want as well, add me as a reviewer if you don't mind!
21:13:56 <arosen1> mestery: awesome sounds good.
21:14:00 <markmcclain> I'm still working on finding an author for the metering extensions
21:14:55 <markmcclain> #topic API
21:14:57 <markmcclain> emagana: hi
21:15:09 <emagana> you mean Docs
21:15:12 <emagana> :-)
21:15:17 <markmcclain> #undo
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21:15:21 <markmcclain> #topic docs
21:15:24 <markmcclain> :)
21:15:31 <emagana> no updates from my side, I still owe some time to Tom for working on the install review and also to Cisco Folks on their plugins changes (if not already committed)
21:15:50 <emagana> also waiting on markmcclain for the metering part
21:15:54 <mestery> emagana: Thanks much for the help on the Cisco side!
21:16:04 <roaet> I'm cleaning up some of the duplication in the config docs.
21:16:05 <markmcclain> emagana: do you have a link for the install review?
21:16:11 <emagana> mestery: let me finish it and then you can thank me!  :-)
21:16:24 <emagana> exchange for some beers in HK
21:16:41 <mestery> emagana: :)
21:16:49 <emagana> mestery: promise to be in ASAP!!!
21:16:59 <mestery> emagana: Awesome!
21:17:23 <emagana> markmcclain: nothing more but maybe Tom or Anne want to include something
21:17:55 <markmcclain> ok.. they can chime in if they've got anything to add
21:18:17 <markmcclain> #topic Summit
21:18:41 <markmcclain> #info the deadline to submit sessions was last Thursday
21:19:00 <markmcclain> We had a bunch of late submissions, we're still working our way through the list
21:19:13 <markmcclain> our track is oversubscribed by 2:1 margin
21:21:22 <markmcclain> Throughout this week we'll be working our way through the list to hopefully have a rough draft schedule by the 25th
21:21:36 <emagana> markmcclain: I noticed that some session are duplicated
21:22:09 <emagana> markmcclain: maybe an issue during the submission
21:22:27 <markmcclain> emagana: yes there are duplicate topic ideas because we encourage duplicate submissions
21:22:40 <markmcclain> mainly to ensure that different variants of ideas are documented
21:23:07 <emagana> markmcclain: No, I dont mean that. I do see the same entry twice
21:23:08 <markmcclain> and then we'll work with the proposers to structure sessions where the ideas can be discussed
21:23:21 <rkukura> markmcclain: I know one I submitted shows up twice in the list, as do some others
21:23:39 <emagana> rkukura: mine shows three times!!  :-)
21:24:16 <markmcclain> yeah.. even removing those we will be out of space
21:24:40 <markmcclain> Since conference time is at a premium
21:25:20 <markmcclain> we may choose to move some topic discussions to the mailing lists or special one off IRC meetings
21:25:45 <markmcclain> which route we go really depends on proposal
21:26:22 <markmcclain> I'd like to discuss them all, but unfortunately we cannot
21:27:22 <markmcclain> Any questions on the selection or review process?
21:27:47 <geoffarnold> Would it make sense to reserve one session for BOF-style mini-meetings to address the topics that miss the cut?
21:28:09 <mestery> geoffarnold: I believe there are already unconference slots for that purpose.
21:28:49 <geoffarnold> I understand. That thought it might be good to do some deliberate scheduling around that
21:28:57 <geoffarnold> That>Just
21:29:50 <markmcclain> geoffarnold: unconference space is a good outlet for it
21:30:07 <markmcclain> but I don't want to preemptively register time for sessions
21:30:46 <markmcclain> I willl include some brief time each day for those that want to announce their networking related unconference meetings
21:31:01 <geoffarnold> OK. I'll look forward to seeing the whole schedule
21:31:15 <markmcclain> #topic Open Discussion
21:31:53 <markmcclain> The meeting between release and the conference is usually one of our shortest ones.. any have topics that we need to cover this week?
21:32:20 <SumitNaiksatam> just a reminder - IRC meeting tomorrow (tuesday) at 15.30 UTC for "advance services"
21:32:28 <SumitNaiksatam> common requirements
21:32:39 <marun> ?
21:32:44 <SumitNaiksatam> continuation of discussion from previous meeting
21:33:25 <geoffarnold> Which IRC? or is it WebEx?
21:33:30 <markmcclain> in #openstack-meeting?
21:33:38 <geoffarnold> thx
21:33:42 <SumitNaiksatam> geoffarnold: IRC
21:33:53 <SumitNaiksatam> markmcclain: yeah its listed
21:34:00 <SumitNaiksatam> same as last week
21:34:06 <markmcclain> SumitNaiksatam: perfect
21:34:15 <SumitNaiksatam> only different time to accommodate folks from asia
21:34:32 <mestery> SumitNaiksatam: Is it in #openstack-meeting-alt? I have that written down as the channel.
21:34:35 <geoffarnold> BTW, thanks to Sumit for hosting the svcs F2F last week
21:34:39 <SumitNaiksatam> little early for folks in PDT, aplologies in advance
21:34:44 <SumitNaiksatam> geoffarnold: sure
21:35:35 <mestery> According to here, it is #openstack-meeting-alt (in case anyone else was confused): https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#Neutron_Advanced_Services.27_Common_requirements_team_meeting
21:35:47 <SumitNaiksatam> mestery: thats right
21:35:50 <markmcclain> mestery: thanks for the info
21:35:52 <SumitNaiksatam> its on the alt channel
21:36:01 <SumitNaiksatam> markmcclain: sorry i mis spoke
21:36:07 <mestery> Sure. Just wanted to clarify for folks since it was confusing to me at least. :)
21:36:17 <SumitNaiksatam> mestery: thanks :-)
21:36:21 <markmcclain> SumitNaiksatam: no worries
21:36:25 <SumitNaiksatam> i am multitasking, sorry folks
21:36:26 <marun> what is the meeting for?  the wiki page is blank
21:36:34 <mestery> SumitNaiksatam: Thanks for leading all this service work, great job!
21:37:03 <SumitNaiksatam> marun: we created a new etherpad
21:37:21 <marun> SumitNaiksatam: link?
21:37:24 <SumitNaiksatam> that has the agenda
21:37:42 <SumitNaiksatam> mestery: thanks :-)
21:37:47 <SumitNaiksatam> marun: one sec looking it up
21:38:10 <KJ_> here it is: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-neutron-fwaas
21:38:31 <SumitNaiksatam> KJ_: thanks! :-)
21:38:49 <SumitNaiksatam> oh sorry thats the fwaas
21:39:07 <geoffarnold> still relevant ;-)
21:39:19 <marun> SumitNaiksatam: any plans on including testing in fwaas plans for icehouse?  I see no mention on the etherpad.
21:39:47 <SumitNaiksatam> marun: thats the first item we discussed in the IRC meeting last week
21:40:08 <SumitNaiksatam> marun: for: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2013/networking_fwaas.2013-10-16-18.01.log.html
21:41:02 <marun> don't mean to pick on fwaas, btw.  but anybody contemplating adding features without planning on adding the tests in advance or shortly after merge will be feeling the heat next cycle.
21:41:51 <marun> a feature isn't 'done' until it has tests.
21:42:01 <marun> unit, functional, integration.
21:42:14 <garyduan> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NeutronAdvancedServices
21:42:30 <garyduan> This should be it.
21:42:36 <marun> danke
21:42:39 <markmcclain> marun: tests are a must for new features
21:42:40 <SumitNaiksatam> garyduan: thanks the ether pad for common requirements discussion
21:43:07 <markmcclain> Any other items to discuss this week?
21:43:57 <marun> i have one thing
21:44:05 <marun> Dan Smith is pushing upgrade compatibility in Nova
21:44:50 <markmcclain> marun: in terms of database or upgrading running systems with no downtime?
21:44:53 <marun> Specifically on the issue of cross-version RPC compatibility, he's scheduled to give 2 talks - one nova and one tempest track
21:45:08 <marun> I've asked him to try to schedule at least one of these on Thursday so that Neutron folk can attend.
21:45:20 <markmcclain> marun: perfect
21:45:29 <markmcclain> I'd like to sit in that one myself
21:45:29 <marun> I suspect we're going to have to approach this issue and it would be good to provide input before his ideas solidify in oslo
21:45:55 <mestery> Neutron upgrade are fairly nebulous to me at the moment. This will be good to listen in on.
21:46:25 <markmcclain> yes.. the upgrade process is something we need to work on in Icehouse
21:46:31 <marun> I'm going to have to focus on this issue in the short-term, since we're looking at providing a documented upgrade between rhos 3.0 and 4.0.
21:46:49 <marun> Hopefully I'll have some issues to discuss with you all, if only hallway track, at the summit.
21:47:12 <mestery> marun: That's really good. One thing to think about: What exactly is our current supported upgrade strategy? Does anyone know?
21:47:27 <marun> 'dead' migration ;)
21:47:30 <mestery> E.g. can you just leave VMs running, stop neutron, load a new version, restart, and expect things to run ok?
21:47:32 <mestery> marun: Heh
21:48:05 <marun> TBD I think - being able to leave vm's running is a goal but we're still investigating feasibility.
21:48:24 <mestery> marun: Agreed. I'm very interested in this area as well, look forward to talking in person.
21:48:31 <marun> great :)
21:48:45 <markmcclain> mestery: it's in the release notes :)
21:48:54 <mestery> markmcclain: :)
21:49:19 <markmcclain> that said the release notes for notes for upgrades are a stop gap
21:49:48 <markmcclain> I'd like to see us participating in grenade style testts
21:50:08 <marun> +1
21:50:12 <mestery> +100
21:50:31 <markmcclain> any other items?
21:50:50 <enikanorov> may be discuss migrations for sqlite?
21:51:04 <markmcclain> enikanorov: I'd prefer to cover that in HK
21:51:09 <enikanorov> sure
21:51:22 <marun> one more thing
21:51:30 <enikanorov> markmcclain: will that be a session on that?
21:51:50 <markmcclain> yes.. it will be on our agenda
21:51:54 <markmcclain> not a full block
21:51:55 <marun> carl baldwin and I will be looking into doing functional testing of iptables interaction.  hopefully have something to show at summit that others can build on.
21:51:58 <markmcclain> but a mini topic
21:52:01 <enikanorov> ok
21:52:10 <markmcclain> marun: great!
21:52:44 <markmcclain> Thanks again to everyone our team for their hard work on Havana!
21:53:04 <markmcclain> The schedule rough schedule should be available late this week or over the weekend.
21:53:17 <markmcclain> Have a great week and talk to everyone on the mailing list or IRC
21:53:20 <markmcclain> #endmeeting