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21:01:03 <SumitNaiksatam> hi
21:01:17 <markmcclain> mestery is at a conference today, so I'll be filling in
21:01:23 <markmcclain> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda
21:01:38 <markmcclain> #topic Announcements
21:01:58 <markmcclain> #link Juno Blueprint instructions are here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Neutron
21:02:00 <arosen> hiya
21:02:07 <armax> yo
21:02:11 <Swami> hi
21:02:11 <marun> hi
21:02:12 <markmcclain> We already have a large of number of them filed
21:02:22 <markmcclain> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-specs,n,z
21:03:04 <markmcclain> Also the team is converging on a date/location for the mid-cycle sprint those plans should be shared sometime next week
21:03:12 <markmcclain> #topic Bugs
21:03:53 <markmcclain> everyone's favorite bug is back
21:03:53 <markmcclain> https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1253896
21:03:55 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1253896 in tempest/havana "Attempts to verify guests are running via SSH fails. SSH connection to guest does not work." [Critical,Confirmed]
21:03:55 <markmcclain> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1253896
21:04:03 <salv-orlando> but can we open a different one?
21:04:13 <salv-orlando> 1253896 means just: "network does not work"
21:04:23 <markmcclain> yeah we should
21:05:18 <salv-orlando> markmcclain: Is somebody looking at resurface of this bug. I think i've seen something related and afazekas has already a patch for it
21:05:25 <salv-orlando> well two actually
21:05:45 <markmcclain> right there is this proposed fix
21:05:45 <markmcclain> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92018/
21:06:15 <markmcclain> it passed the heat slow tests
21:06:28 <markmcclain> but failed grenade testing
21:07:14 <markmcclain> the revert was also proposed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92147/
21:07:37 <markmcclain> I'd have to look more, but it seems that 92018 makes more sense than reverting
21:08:23 <gongysh> I cannot see why it make more sense. sorry.
21:08:58 <gongysh> am I missing something?
21:09:22 <salv-orlando> if the approach is remove what introduced the failure than it does not make sense...
21:10:08 * salv-orlando when I had a bad knee I also decided to stop walking to solve the problem
21:10:55 <sc68cal> Just amputate ;)
21:10:56 <salv-orlando> gongysh, markmcclain: the patches are on gerrit, and we can keep the discussion going on there, I think
21:11:06 <gongysh> sure
21:11:16 <markmcclain> agreed
21:11:43 <markmcclain> We have one other critical bug
21:11:45 <markmcclain> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1314313
21:11:46 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1314313 in neutron "Firewall fails to become active within 300 seconds" [Critical,Triaged]
21:12:12 <salv-orlando> this is the one I find confusing according to comments from the fwaas team
21:12:28 <SumitNaiksatam> salv-orlando: confusing?
21:12:37 <salv-orlando> one comment says that we should change the test in order to ensure the router is active before creating the firewall (while leaves me with a slight question mark)
21:12:40 <SumitNaiksatam> salv-orlando: i thought i echoed your findings
21:12:58 <salv-orlando> and another comment says that instead the firewall should be created fine even if the router is pending create
21:13:07 <salv-orlando> SumitNaiksatam: see the comment after yours
21:13:50 <salv-orlando> This is showing often in the gate queue, so I would like to sort it out before we get closer to J-1 deadline
21:13:50 <SumitNaiksatam> salv-orlando: the commend from SridarK is also reinforcing what we are saying
21:14:09 <SridarK> salv-orlando: was echoing SumitNaiksatam 's comment - the router create should be fine even if it happens after the firewall create
21:14:21 <salv-orlando> SridarK: ah the ROUTER create
21:14:37 <SridarK> salv-orlando: In further digging thru the logs - it seems that does happen
21:15:06 <SridarK> but why that does not get reflected back to the Plugin is not very clear
21:15:15 <salv-orlando> ok, I think I can be reassured you guys are working on the issue, we can discuss futher in openstack-neutron
21:15:33 <markmcclain> sounds good
21:15:38 <SridarK> salv-orlando: SumitNaiksatam sounds good - will add more updates to the bug
21:15:43 <markmcclain> any other bugs the team needs to discuss?
21:15:47 <salv-orlando> SridarK: for that I think the analysis in my comment and the logs I pointed out might help
21:16:03 <salv-orlando> markmcclain: Something is bugging me, but it's not a bug
21:16:08 <SridarK> salv-orlando: yes was looking at the logs
21:16:21 <salv-orlando> I was looking at the various sub teams and we do not have a bug management team...
21:16:26 <SumitNaiksatam> is it possible to change the timeout for that test?
21:16:36 <markmcclain> salv-orlando: ah good point
21:16:59 <markmcclain> might be good to reform that again
21:17:16 <markmcclain> should we put on topic list to ensure we cover next?
21:17:19 <SumitNaiksatam> shouldnt each sub team be triaging the bugs?
21:17:21 <salv-orlando> yeah, we have some obsolete team.
21:17:36 <SumitNaiksatam> triaging the bugs related to their sub team focus
21:17:47 <markmcclain> SumitNaiksatam: ideally yes, but it still helps to have a team that looks across the teams
21:18:06 <salv-orlando> SumitNaiksatam: let me answer with another question - did the firewall team triage bug 1314313
21:18:07 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1314313 in neutron "Firewall fails to become active within 300 seconds" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1314313
21:18:09 <sc68cal> If the bug team tags stuff that might help
21:18:09 <salv-orlando> ;)
21:18:14 <SumitNaiksatam> markmcclain: that should be the core team, right?
21:18:27 <sc68cal> I know we monitor the ipv6 tag
21:18:33 <markmcclain> SumitNaiksatam: doesn't have to be
21:18:38 <salv-orlando> I did not want to be cheeky (well, a bit), but it would help have a clear interface for qa and infra teams
21:18:56 <markmcclain> I think we have 2 sessions that should possibly touch on this topic
21:19:25 <markmcclain> if we don't get to it we can revisit in 2 wks when we're all here
21:19:46 <SumitNaiksatam> salv-orlando: the bug was responded to as soon as it was noticed
21:20:04 <markmcclain> salv-orlando: I agree a clear interface would help everyone
21:20:09 <marun> +1
21:20:21 <salv-orlando> sure. That's the problem indeed (as soon as it's noticed is often too late).
21:20:29 <marun> and nobody but the fixer's have visibility
21:21:00 <markmcclain> Any other bugs to discuss?
21:21:51 <markmcclain> #topic Docs
21:21:52 <markmcclain> emagana: hi
21:22:01 <emagana> markmcclain: hi there!
21:22:24 <emagana> just a couple of announcements
21:22:57 <emagana> as you know the Docs team follows a different schedule for their release and that will just happen this week
21:23:13 <markmcclain> right
21:23:47 <emagana> a terrible number of bugs have been fixed in the past weeks.. great kudos to the docs team and anyone here helping on closing bugs
21:24:08 <emagana> I will update our wiki with the leftovers and keep in eye on new ones
21:24:09 <markmcclain> awesome glad we've been able to close a bunch of them
21:24:19 <markmcclain> good idea
21:24:41 <markmcclain> Anything else to add?
21:24:46 <emagana> That is all I've got
21:24:51 <markmcclain> Thanks for the update
21:24:57 <markmcclain> #topic Summit
21:25:11 <markmcclain> #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/neutron Summit Schedule
21:25:28 <markmcclain> #info If you have a conflict contact Kyle
21:25:38 <markmcclain> Also it's time to start adding etherpad links
21:25:46 <markmcclain> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Juno/Etherpads#Neutron
21:26:09 <markmcclain> it really helps to have these precreated and prepopulated prior to the summit
21:26:37 <markmcclain> doing so will greatly benefit everyone including those of us driving sessions
21:27:14 <emagana> markmcclain: Our team wanted to understand better a couple of sessions that have been scheduled but no blueprint has been associate to them..
21:27:42 <emagana> http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/433 & http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/432
21:27:59 <markmcclain> emagana: I'd suggest contacting the session proposer and ask that they post their etherpad
21:28:07 * markmcclain has few etherpads to post
21:28:22 <emagana> you are the lead for those ones, can you point us to the BPs?  :-)
21:29:06 <markmcclain> emagana: yes I
21:29:16 <markmcclain> I'll post the etherpads and blueprings
21:29:21 <markmcclain> *blueprints
21:29:48 <SumitNaiksatam> markmcclain: was blueprint a pre-requisite for proposing sessions?
21:30:11 <markmcclain> I've had to refactor the designs a bit to maintain compatibility for certain items for a longer period of time
21:30:11 <marun> I didn't think so
21:30:22 <emagana> SumitNaiksatam: That was my understanding as well
21:30:47 <sc68cal> +1 for don't think so
21:31:14 <markmcclain> SumitNaiksatam: it's not a hard requirement and Kyle and I discussed the outline of the sessions before they were added to schedule
21:31:30 <markmcclain> I'll post items in advance so everyone can be prepared
21:31:31 <salv-orlando> yeah those two sessions are not bureaucratically compliant.
21:31:57 <SumitNaiksatam> markmcclain: ok
21:32:00 * salv-orlando loves bureaucracy. Loves stamps too.
21:32:18 <kevinbenton> salv-orlando: do you have a permit for stamps?
21:32:31 <markmcclain> haha
21:32:33 <gongysh> * stamps are here everywhere.
21:33:05 <markmcclain> One last item is we'll have an informal dev gather on Thursday… we can discuss this during Open Discussion
21:33:16 <markmcclain> #topic Tempest
21:33:30 <markmcclain> mlavalle: anything to update on this week?
21:33:41 <mlavalle> Hi, Yes a few things
21:33:55 <markmcclain> what's new?
21:34:03 <mlavalle> I have posted to the meeting agenda the last 6 api tests than need to be merged
21:34:17 <mlavalle> after those, our api tests will be complete
21:34:24 <markmcclain> great!
21:34:43 <mlavalle> I ask the team to take a look and help to move them towards merge
21:35:14 <mlavalle> I added the tempest https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TempestAndNeutronJuno etherpad to the summit page
21:35:15 <markmcclain> yeah definitely..  would be nice have these merged by next week
21:35:22 <markmcclain> thanks for adding it
21:35:40 <mlavalle> I am proposing 4 key actions for Juno
21:35:57 <mlavalle> 1) place empahsis on scenario tests, where we have one weak area
21:36:13 <mlavalle> 2) Fill any gaps that might have been left in api in icehouse
21:36:36 <mlavalle> 3) See with markmcclain if there are special testing needs for nova parity
21:36:51 <mlavalle> 4) See if any other subprojects need help
21:37:03 <markmcclain> I think those are reasonable
21:37:09 <mlavalle> asking the team to take a look on the etherpad and give us their inpits
21:37:20 <markmcclain> let's work offline on #3
21:37:26 <mlavalle> cool
21:37:30 <mlavalle> that's all I have
21:38:05 <markmcclain> mlavalle: thank for the update
21:38:08 <emagana> mlavalle: any known bug blocking these tests: check-grenade-dsvm-partial-ncpu-icehouse ?
21:38:08 <markmcclain> #topic L3
21:38:14 <carl_baldwin> hi
21:38:23 <markmcclain> carl_baldwin: looks like the team has been busy with summit prep
21:38:24 <carl_baldwin> I’ll just highlight a couple of things.
21:38:33 <mlavalle> emagana: mhh, let's talk offline
21:38:36 <carl_baldwin> Right, we have a number of summit sessions to prepare for.
21:38:39 <emagana> mlavalle: ok
21:39:08 <carl_baldwin> I’ll highlight DVR progress.  The distributed component is mostly functional now.  Patches are being updated.
21:39:26 <carl_baldwin> The central component which will host default SNAT is still a WIP.
21:39:35 <carl_baldwin> … but moving right along.
21:40:06 <markmcclain> it's good to have code now
21:40:27 <carl_baldwin> Yes, it is.
21:40:53 <carl_baldwin> Go to the subteam report on the neutron meeting page to see all of the summit discussions that are planned.
21:41:04 <markmcclain> thanks for keeping it updated
21:41:17 <carl_baldwin> glad to help.  That is all I have.
21:41:34 <markmcclain> carl_baldwin: thanks for sharing
21:41:49 <gongysh> carl_baldwin: nice to hear code are coming.
21:41:53 <markmcclain> #topic Advanced Services
21:41:56 <markmcclain> SumitNaiksatam: hi
21:42:01 <SumitNaiksatam> markmcclain: hi
21:42:12 <markmcclain> looks like this spec needs folks to read it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92200
21:42:29 <SumitNaiksatam> yeah
21:42:37 <SumitNaiksatam> we have been discussing for some time now
21:42:45 <SumitNaiksatam> the high level design have been captured in that
21:42:53 <SumitNaiksatam> or rather the building blocks
21:43:05 <SumitNaiksatam> other folks are working in parallel on detailed specs
21:43:21 <SumitNaiksatam> this and other topics in weekly IRC
21:43:30 <SumitNaiksatam> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/AdvancedServices
21:43:56 <SumitNaiksatam> thats it on this
21:44:37 <markmcclain> ok… thanks for updating
21:44:45 <markmcclain> #topic IPv6
21:44:47 <markmcclain> sc68cal: hi
21:44:51 <sc68cal> Hello
21:45:07 <sc68cal> I updated my part of the agenda with links to some specs
21:45:22 * sc68cal is away from desktop
21:45:39 <sc68cal> Our main focus is getting specs drafted
21:45:50 <markmcclain> thanks for updating the agenda
21:46:05 <sc68cal> However there was a duplicate review for handling entries in dnsmasq that had me concerned
21:46:18 <sc68cal> I sadly don't have the link handy
21:46:45 <sc68cal> But there are some tricky corner cases that I hope to document at a later date
21:46:53 <sc68cal> That's all I have for now
21:47:15 <markmcclain> ok.. I'll see if I can track that down after the meeting
21:47:31 <markmcclain> Thanks for the update
21:47:34 <markmcclain> #topic ML2
21:47:49 <markmcclain> rkukura: agenda looks old anything new?
21:47:58 <rkukura> Nothing new to report
21:48:03 <markmcclain> ok
21:48:07 <markmcclain> #topic Group Policy
21:48:14 <rkukura> We just need to get the etherpads ready for the summit
21:48:27 <markmcclain> rkukura: don't we all :)
21:48:39 <markmcclain> So moving onto group policy
21:48:49 <markmcclain> I wanted to raise an issue
21:48:50 <markmcclain> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89469/9/specs/juno/group-based-policy-abstraction.rst
21:49:16 <markmcclain> I raised a -1 on this spec and then a new version was pushed without my concern ever really being addressed
21:50:06 <markmcclain> when reviewing specs please read the comment history to make sure review concerns are addressed before adding +2s
21:50:17 <SumitNaiksatam> markmcclain: i did respond to your comment
21:50:38 <markmcclain> right but it was merged before I had a chance to acknowledge and respond
21:50:51 <SumitNaiksatam> markmcclain: the approval was not in my control
21:51:05 <SumitNaiksatam> markmcclain: at my end i tried reaching out to you over IRC as well
21:51:15 <markmcclain> SumitNaiksatam: agreed it is not under your control
21:51:27 <markmcclain> this is more a reminder that spec reviews should consider review history
21:51:44 <markmcclain> SumitNaiksatam: last week was an off week for entire project
21:51:51 <emagana> markmcclain: +1
21:52:05 <markmcclain> I'll follow up w an email on my concerns I still have
21:52:16 <rudrarugge> would you be posting that on the review?
21:52:18 <SumitNaiksatam> markmcclain: sure
21:53:28 <markmcclain> rudrarugge: I'll follow up via email
21:53:43 <markmcclain> #topic Open Discussion
21:53:48 <markmcclain> So next week is the summit
21:54:01 <markmcclain> traditionally we've held a informal happy hour
21:54:46 <markmcclain> looking at holding early evening on Thursday (since there are no Neutron meetings that day)
21:55:28 <markmcclain> So that area around the venue does not great bars or restartaunts
21:55:41 <markmcclain> usually requires a short cab or subway ride
21:56:18 <markmcclain> quick show of hands who'd be interested in something pre-dinner 5-7ish
21:56:22 <sc68cal> You're the local, I'm willing to travel
21:56:32 <sc68cal> For a good place
21:56:32 <mlavalle> +1
21:56:42 <Sukhdev> markmcclain: +1 to happy hour
21:56:43 <salv-orlando> I think the neutron team should be sober
21:56:56 <emagana> salv-orlando: -1
21:57:13 <Sukhdev> salv-orlando: we should all watch salv-orlando :-)
21:57:18 <Swami> +1
21:57:32 <obondarev> +1
21:57:32 <carl_baldwin> +1
21:57:33 <fawadkhaliq> +1
21:57:37 <rkukura> +1
21:57:38 <marun> +1
21:57:39 <sc68cal> :
21:57:45 <sc68cal> :)
21:57:48 <armax> +1
21:57:55 <banix> +1
21:58:15 <markmcclain> ok.. I'll call a couple of places and we can announce it next week
21:58:29 <pcm_> +1 just to make salv-orlando happy I'll be designated driver
21:58:53 <mlavalle> markmcclain: has a decision been made on the mid-cycle meeting location?
21:58:57 <s3wong_> pcm_: well, cab driver would be the designated driver in this case :-)
21:59:14 <markmcclain> mlavalle: not yet should be announced next week once final location is confirmed
21:59:21 <markmcclain> mlavalle: will US based though
21:59:42 <mlavalle> tnanks
22:00:15 <markmcclain> Since I've live in Atlanta I've gotten pinged for restaurant recommendations
22:00:17 <markmcclain> http://atlanta.eater.com/archives/2014/04/08/the-38-essential-atlanta-restaurants-april-2014.php
22:00:39 <markmcclain> It's a good list and many aren't too far from the GWCC
22:00:50 <salv-orlando> markmcclain: I think people were expecting personal recommendations, not a link
22:01:13 <sc68cal> Tough crowd..
22:01:17 <salv-orlando> you should write a " Atlanta food and drinks for the openstack developer " booklet
22:01:27 <markmcclain> salv-orlando: haha… Bacchanalia is the #1 place in town
22:01:37 <markmcclain> but prob not on many people budgets :)
22:02:11 <markmcclain> westside district has lots of good places and is not too far from convention site
22:03:01 <markmcclain> but you will need car/taxi walking the 2mis between that westside neighborhood and cnn center not ideal at night :)
22:03:18 <markmcclain> also a few evening events are in midtown neighborhood
22:03:33 <markmcclain> that neighborhood is walkable
22:04:07 <markmcclain> but not back to downtown hotels, but subway/cab is available
22:04:14 <salv-orlando> markmcclain: you're not doing a good service to tourism in your city
22:04:19 <salv-orlando> the mayor is disappointed
22:04:25 * markmcclain is a terrible tourist
22:05:29 <markmcclain> We're at time for this week. There will not be an IRC meeting next week since we'll all be meeting Wednesday morning.  I look forward to seeing everyone next week
22:05:32 <markmcclain> #endmeeting