21:00:26 <armax> #startmeeting networking 21:00:26 <openstack> Meeting started Mon May 11 21:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:27 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:00:29 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'networking' 21:00:36 <neiljerram> hi 21:00:55 <armax> mestery couldn’t host the meeting today, I have the ungrateful duty to act on his behalf :) 21:00:56 <banix> hi 21:01:10 <yamahata> hello 21:01:44 <armax> let’s wait one more minute for folks to join, it’s the week before the summit, so I’d imagine people are busy getting ready for it 21:02:17 <blogan> hi 21:02:25 <armax> hello! 21:02:33 <armax> #announcements 21:02:46 <armax> oops 21:02:46 <carl_baldwin> armax, pong 21:02:50 <armax> #topic Announcements 21:03:03 <armax> next week is Summit week 21:03:09 <armax> we have a packed agenda 21:03:27 <armax> the meeting won’t be held for the next 3 weeks 21:03:29 <armax> carl_baldwin: hi 21:04:06 <pcm_> armax: 2 weeks? 21:04:06 <sc68cal> o/ 21:04:13 <marun> \o 21:04:18 <armax> pcm_: yes, that’s correct 21:04:27 * carl_baldwin took the meeting off his calendar when it was cancelled and forgot when it was uncancelled. 21:04:30 <armax> we’ll resume on June 2nd 21:04:41 <b3nt_pin> o/ 21:04:42 <armax> carl_baldwin: yes, there was a bit of confusion 21:05:32 <armax> mestery initially cancelled this meeting because he couldn’t host it 21:05:44 <markmcclain> o/ 21:05:48 <armax> then realized that perhaps this could be a good opportunity to sync up right before the summit 21:06:02 * kevinbenton thinks there might be too much meta-meeting discussion going on :) 21:06:08 <salv-orlando> aloha folks sorry for being late I was in another convo 21:06:33 <armax> we could keep this meeting short in case we don’t have much to discuss 21:06:44 <armax> the agenda for the summit has been published here: 21:06:47 <armax> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Liberty/Etherpads#Neutron 21:07:13 <kevinbenton> i don't see anything on there about social gatherings 21:07:14 <armax> the summit schedule is available at #link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/neutron#.VVEZ8mRVikq 21:07:32 <armax> #action kevinbenton volunteers to organize a social gathering 21:07:35 <neiljerram> Yes, I was wondering about gatherings too - would be keen on that 21:08:03 <neiljerram> As someone who doesn't know anyone personally yet, I'd prefer earlier in the week than later 21:08:32 <kevinbenton> maybe monday then? i'll send an email to the dev list 21:08:38 <armax> kevinbenton: :) I assumed you’d be fine organizing ar rendez-vous 21:08:59 <sc68cal> kevinbenton: congrats! don't mess up! ;) 21:09:04 <armax> kevinbenton: it’s best to cross-reference, I made the mistake not too last summit 21:09:16 <neiljerram> Monday evening would be great for me; unfortunately I might not make it in time for lunch. 21:09:20 <armax> only to realize later that I should have and that caused some confusion 21:09:30 <kevinbenton> armax: ack 21:09:38 <kevinbenton> neiljerram: it would be an evening thing 21:09:43 <neiljerram> cool, thx! 21:09:43 <pcm_> kevinbenton: thanks 21:10:02 <armax> we may want to aim to have two perhaps, an opening and and ending casual gathering 21:10:16 <armax> so that people who miss the former may join the later and vice versa 21:10:32 <neiljerram> Indeed, that would be great too. 21:10:36 <kevinbenton> yeah 21:11:11 <armax> besides these logistics should we be moving to discussing the summit agenda? 21:11:19 <armax> #topic Liberty Design Summit 21:12:44 <armax> does anyone have any question on the agenda as it has been outlined at #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Liberty/Etherpads#Neutron 21:12:58 <salv-orlando> kevinbenton: that's some many of us that I would see if these guys (http://www.urbanrec.ca/Vancouver/) rent soccer/basketball/whatever pitches for some sporty fun 21:12:59 <emagana> armax: sorry.. I was distracted... I am around if need me! 21:13:00 <armax> and #link http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/213da02952470483dfd8b2765aa88485#.VVEbUGRViko for the lightining talks? 21:13:07 <armax> emagana: ok, thanks 21:13:15 <emagana> armax: Actually I want to share a link about the networking guide... 21:13:18 <kevinbenton> i have a session about RBAC. i don't think it's really controversial and doesn't require much discussion 21:13:34 <marun> so, swap with reference split? 21:13:43 <Swami> kevinbenton: what is RBAC 21:13:44 <kevinbenton> i was thinking of repurposing it to come up with some better approach to handling object state transitions 21:13:47 <armax> kevinbenton: ok do you think it’s worth bringing in some other topic or what marun suggested? 21:13:57 <kevinbenton> Swami: ability to share networks to subsets of tenants 21:14:03 <armax> kevinbenton: let’s make an #action to discuss this with mestery 21:14:15 <kevinbenton> armax: ack, what's was marun's suggestion? 21:14:25 <armax> kevinbenton: swap with the reference split 21:14:37 <armax> kevinbenton: we’ll let him aware and decide what’s best 21:14:47 <kevinbenton> armax: ah, well that would certainly generate more excitement 21:15:02 <marun> I don't think the discussion should be 'if', rather 'how' 21:15:07 <marun> so not as exciting 21:15:17 <kevinbenton> marun: "by not doing it!" 21:15:21 <kevinbenton> see, exciting now :) 21:15:48 <marun> :p 21:15:49 <armax> kevinbenton, marun I suppose this has been noted so that Kyle will act on it, anything else that might be worth raising awareness of? 21:15:54 <salv-orlando> marun: I think you are taken too many things for granted. There are people out there that will fight to death to resist the split ;) 21:16:30 <marun> salv-orlando: interesting... I wonder how we could harness that misplaced fealty? 21:16:38 * armax brings the cannons 21:16:51 * armax and tin helmet 21:17:04 <marun> tin -> tinfoil (ftfy) 21:17:16 <salv-orlando> marun: with WMDs 21:18:08 <armax> marun: thanks 21:18:18 <armax> ok, too many acronyms 21:18:29 <marun> so, maybe a bad idea to talk at summit if it's going to be too controversial. 21:19:04 <salv-orlando> marun: controversial discussions are the best thing at the summit 21:19:08 <armax> marun: perhaps that’s the rationale behind mestery’s decision 21:19:32 <armax> assumed we bring this to mestery’s attention, is there anything else you’d love to talk about the schedule? 21:19:44 * salv-orlando indeed it will soon be called "Jeremy Kyle's Openstack Design Summit" 21:20:32 <armax> bear in mind that there is a ‘free’ slot on friday morning 21:20:35 <armax> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-contributor-meetup 21:20:50 <armax> salv-orlando: not everyone knows jeremy kyle 21:21:05 <armax> salv-orlando: but there is a Jeremy Kyle-like show in every country 21:21:06 <kevinbenton> who is jeremy kyle 21:21:23 <kevinbenton> is it similar to an RFE? 21:21:25 <armax> salv-orlando: you should provide a wiki page that shows the list 21:21:30 <kevinbenton> because i don't know what that is either 21:22:45 <armax> kevinbenton: there’s a Contributor Meetup on Friday 9am-12pm 21:22:55 <marun> kevinbenton: I'm confused as to how you can be confused about what an RFE is. 21:23:32 <armax> I would certainly like to use that one to talk about next steps for the vendor decomp, I know that I would like to take the opportunity to talk with HenryG and any other who is interested 21:23:33 <salv-orlando> isn't that a feee-form thing? in Paris the community tried to put up a schedule for it but it did not work well imo 21:23:33 <kevinbenton> marun: request for extension is what we lazy people did in academia every time we missed a deadline 21:23:49 <armax> #action armax to remind mestery of the vendor decomp 21:25:06 * HenryG joins late because he thought there was no meeting 21:25:19 <armax> HenryG: hi 21:25:32 <HenryG> armax: happy to talk about vendor decomp 21:25:38 <armax> salv-orlando: I guess it worked ok-ish 21:26:10 <armax> salv-orlando: granted some people had already left so, it’s sort of dangerous to postpone any major discussion right at the end of the week 21:26:12 <salv-orlando> armax: you can put a schedule for it if you feel it might be more productive 21:26:42 <armax> salv-orlando: at the moment I am just noting it down, as any good servant would do, then I’ll let mestery decide 21:27:14 <armax> emagana: sorry was there something you wanted to share? 21:27:22 <emagana> armax: 21:27:34 <kevinbenton> he's at a loss for words! 21:27:35 <emagana> armax: About the networking guide, the link went public :-) 21:27:51 <kevinbenton> emagana: do you have it handy? 21:27:51 <armax> ok, can you repost the link here for people’s sake? 21:27:53 <emagana> armax: I am a man of few words! 21:28:08 <emagana> #link http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide/ 21:28:41 <banix> emagana: great job! to be continued for sure 21:28:50 <emagana> still not officially realease but we are live.. no idea how! 21:28:51 <armax> emagana: nice one 21:28:52 <emagana> ha ha ha ah 21:29:23 <emagana> no more words from me .... but looking forward for getting drunk with you all! 21:30:08 <armax> emagana: that’s the righ _spirit_! 21:31:41 <armax> well if there’s nothing else on the summit agenda perhaps we can have a few minutes to have an #topic Open Discussion 21:31:53 <armax> #topic Open Discussion 21:33:09 * armax hears crickets in the background 21:33:24 <kevinbenton> armax: tell us about service chaining 21:33:30 <kevinbenton> is there going to be a summit session 21:33:31 <kevinbenton> ? 21:34:15 <armax> kevinbenton: there is going to be a session on NFV Enhancements on Thursday afternoon 21:34:31 <armax> kevinbenton: mestery and I would like to use that one to bring the topic forward 21:34:59 <kevinbenton> armax: ack 21:35:18 <shivharis> armax: who is leading that? 21:35:20 <shivharis> armax: i guess i got the answer 21:35:30 <armax> kevinbenton: we’ll have to iron out how to make progress this cycle wrt SFC 21:35:36 <armax> shivharis: mestery and armax 21:36:04 <banix> and an OPNFV day on manday by the way 21:36:06 <armax> shivharis: but being a design session it’s more of a collaborative effort 21:36:17 <kevinbenton> armax: it always seems to fall apart trying to address the huge myriad of insertion schemes and corner cases 21:36:25 <armax> banix: thanks for the reminder 21:36:26 <shivharis> armax: with you on that 21:36:47 <kevinbenton> armax: is there an existing model that we are just going to implement, or are we going to roll our own? 21:36:53 <armax> kevinbenton: agreed, we’d need to be very diligent this cycle if we want this effort to take off 21:37:01 <markmcclain> kevinbenton: wasn't the goal to create a starter set of use cases that most agree? 21:37:08 <armax> kevinbenton: there are a few folks very interested in promiting the ETSI model 21:37:30 <armax> and there’s been a weekly call being setup to talk on SFC 21:37:37 <armax> I think it’s on Tue 10am PST 21:37:41 <armax> details on the ML 21:38:01 <Swami> armax: yes you are right. 21:38:11 <kevinbenton> markmcclain: i think so. it's just nice to have a doc to point to when you can say why a certain use case was rejected 21:38:16 <armax> Swami: thanks for keeping me honest 21:38:33 <armax> kevinbenton: there are a few specs being churned as we speak 21:39:17 <armax> kevinbenton: besides the use cases, I am more concerned on how we’re gonna master the complexity that will inevitably arise when the tires need to hit the road 21:39:46 <kevinbenton> armax: by first re-doing all of the internals of neutron :) 21:40:25 <armax> kevinbenton: one thing is certain, as much as we’re tracking this effort in Neutron, it does not belong to neutron core and it certainly spans way beyond Neutron greater metropolitan area 21:40:50 <armax> core being Neutron’s downtown 21:40:50 <kevinbenton> armax: i think it will make sense to do some refactoring and possible internal API changes as necessary to make it easier to build these things on top of the neutron primitives 21:41:54 <kevinbenton> ok, well i'm done blowing smoke about vaporware for now :) 21:42:20 <armax> kevinbenton: there is going to be prelimary work to ensure that the right plugs/outlets/hooks etc are in place 21:42:23 <armax> kevinbenton: before we can really start talking about SFC 21:42:42 <armax> kevinbenton: until people realize that we’ll always be blowing smoke up the vaporware 21:42:44 <HenryG> sorry, what is 'SFC'? 21:42:54 <kevinbenton> HenryG: file an RFE to find out 21:43:03 <kevinbenton> request for explanation 21:43:03 <armax> HenryG: Service Function Chaining 21:43:45 <kevinbenton> HenryG: "admin dictates that all traffic from x to y must go through firewall z" 21:43:53 <armax> ok, let’s see if there’s anything else to talk about 21:44:16 <kevinbenton> gus: ping 21:44:18 <armax> otherwise we can try and keep this meeting under 45 mins\ 21:44:38 <armax> anything else? 21:44:55 * armax starts the countdown 21:45:54 <armax> ok guys thanks for joining and sorry about the confusion 21:46:08 <armax> let’s have a great summit and safe travel! 21:46:25 <armax> #endmeeting