21:00:11 #startmeeting networking 21:00:13 Meeting started Mon Nov 28 21:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:14 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:00:16 The meeting name has been set to 'networking' 21:00:20 haleyb: thanks, appreciate it 21:00:22 o/ 21:00:30 o/ 21:00:35 o/ 21:01:06 o/ 21:01:09 \o 21:01:16 hello everyone 21:01:49 hi 21:01:51 let’s dive in 21:01:59 #topic Announcements 21:02:09 I have a couple of things newsworthy 21:02:47 #link there’s a thread started on the ML about including vendor-specific driver code into the big tent 21:02:51 #undo 21:02:52 Removing item from minutes: 21:02:59 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/108074.html 21:03:43 if you work for an employer that has such repos, I’d suggest you stay plugged in the conversations 21:03:50 that are gonna spur from that thread 21:04:15 armax : thank for sharing - I had missed that 21:04:19 otherwise you might wake up one day and find out that the world around you has changed 21:04:36 Sukhdev: it’s fresh, I am sure you would have caught up to it 21:04:38 o/ 21:05:33 another announcement I wanted to make is related to core team attrition 21:05:54 most of you might have noticed by now that we’ve had a number of folks stepping down 21:05:58 :( 21:06:07 ;( 21:06:08 carl_baldwin, HenryG and amuller most recently 21:06:20 :( 21:06:35 don't forget dougwig 21:06:49 HenryG: he’s still core 21:07:00 he’s stepped down from the drivers team 21:07:07 at least that’s what I have heard :) 21:07:10 anyhoo 21:07:24 dougwig too has taken somewhat of a backseat 21:07:33 last one out turn off the lights 21:07:34 I have invited these folks to advise me and the team to identify whom have worked closely with them and that they feel they can step in and replace them 21:07:53 o/ 21:08:40 ultimately nominating people’s replacements is something that has to find the nominee agreeing in taking on more responsibility 21:09:05 in the core of neutron 21:09:25 and neutron-lib as well 21:10:00 while this gets figured out, if you are an existing core, please try to make up for the loss of review bandwidth if you can 21:10:50 :) 21:10:53 please don’t forget the current backlog 21:11:22 and the dashboard that should help us keep a focussed review attention 21:11:23 #link http://status.openstack.org/reviews/ 21:11:25 top link 21:11:38 i think we have several people ready to be cores soon so it's not the end of the world yet :) 21:12:01 If somebody helps coach me, I could help out 21:12:23 kevinbenton: I never thought we had reached the end of the world 21:12:29 kevinbenton: even when the US elections were over 21:12:36 but I digres 21:12:37 s 21:12:39 armax: based on how you always talk i assume you think it's the end of the world :P 21:12:52 :-) 21:13:29 kevinbenton: ok 21:13:47 kevinbenton: don’t quite know how to understand your comment 21:14:11 let’s move on, unless someone has any other announcement he/she will like to make 21:14:22 armax : he is being sarcastic - just ignore him :-) 21:14:26 Remind the team about the PTG 21:14:34 #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ 21:14:49 Registration is open 21:15:02 I heard it is limited to 500 people only 21:15:03 mlavalle: thanks 21:15:03 can that thing sell out? 21:15:06 :/ 21:15:11 well that's annoying 21:15:22 kevinbenton: good question. do we have any limits, time cap? 21:15:37 ok, see 500 people. 21:15:48 I was told in another meeting that 500 was the limit 21:16:03 in fact, when you register, it tells you how many seats are left 21:16:13 348 now 21:16:14 There are still ~348 seats open per the above page 21:16:17 armax: thanks 21:16:24 johnsom: thx 21:16:32 it’s also no longer free for ATCs 21:16:49 that kinda sucks :-0 21:16:49 though the fee is modest and set to $100 21:17:05 but you can transfer your registration right? 21:17:28 electrocucaracha : yes, and it is refundable 21:18:04 Sukhdev: that's good news 21:18:34 mlavalle : I only deliver good news - bad news comes from armax :):-) 21:18:43 ok, anything else to remind? 21:18:56 if this negativity keeps getting at me, I am gonna have to step down too 21:18:57 :) 21:19:06 I am clearly the bad mojo to the project 21:19:28 armax : I was kidding - sorry :-) 21:19:34 armax: you are clearly not :-) 21:19:38 Sukhdev: no offence taken 21:19:44 armax : you are the force, sir!!! 21:19:45 #topic blueprints 21:19:58 Sukhdev: here’s one more 21:20:19 we have laguished as far as completing blueprints and reviewing RFEs 21:20:32 we are in Ocata 2, with 3 weeks to Christmas 21:20:47 don’t forget that FF is a month earlier this cycle 21:21:20 at the pace we are going we might as well close 0 blueprints this cycle 21:21:42 #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/ocata-2 21:22:19 if you are an assignee and/or an approver of any of the targeted blueprint/rfe please be proactive and help identify any blocker 21:22:25 armax: people have been working on things... 21:22:31 armax: i'm sure we'll get something 21:22:41 in case the person you’re supposed to work with is either moved on or swamped 21:23:12 armax: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308973/ I think amuller was supposed to help drive this… I beleive you recently said he was moving away from neutron 21:23:14 kevinbenton: I am gonna have to set a gloomy picture on everything I say, otherwise how am I gonna get a bad reputation? 21:23:30 boden: correct, I asked amuller to reach out to you 21:23:35 boden: has he done that/ 21:23:36 ? 21:23:42 armax: not that I know of 21:23:55 ok, today it’s just Monday after a binge weekend 21:24:36 I’d suggest to reach out to him instead, but he’s the approver for that blueprint and I hope he’ll help identify the fate of that effort 21:24:47 armax: ack 21:26:22 as far as the OVO/no API downtime effort, I see no patches being flagged on the team meeting page 21:26:31 anyone has anything to share? 21:26:42 #topic OVO/no API downtime? 21:26:59 maybe electrocucaracha can provide status? 21:27:30 haha maybe, thanks mlavalle 21:28:08 we have some progress on OVO classes that don't have too much dependencies 21:28:36 electrocucaracha: you have links to patches that are close to landing? 21:28:37 jschwarz is working on grenade jobs 21:28:56 armax: I have an updated spreadsheet 21:29:15 #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FeeQlQITsZSj_wpOXiLbS36dirb_arX0XEWBdFVPMB8/edit#gid=1434170112 21:29:17 electrocucaracha: thanks 21:30:35 electrocucaracha: one thing that would be nice is to provide a filter so that patches can be sorted in term of ‘readiness’ 21:30:36 Ihar has made special emphasis on taking a look of the plan https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386685/ 21:31:12 armax: I can include something there 21:31:33 electrocucaracha: if nothing else, to identify more easily what to review first, if it makes sense 21:32:52 ok, if there’s nothing else, let’s move to the next item in the agenda 21:33:05 #topic Bugs and Gate issues 21:33:40 don’t forget of the looming switch to xenial as default node for newton+ 21:34:21 so please think about the CI jobs for the repos you fancy 21:34:26 and help out with the switch 21:34:43 in neutron/neutron-lib we have nearly completed the switch 21:35:02 there are a few CI jobs that needs switching for the python-neutronclient repo 21:36:02 I am working on LBaaS, FYI 21:36:22 I'll take a look for FWaaS 21:36:25 how are we doing with the gate failure rates? 21:36:59 kevinbenton: http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate 21:37:16 kevinbenton: things may be skewed by the fact that we had a not so busy time recently 21:37:57 armax: ack 21:38:57 my gut tells me that something has caused a recent spikes in failures for grenade and multinode jobs 21:39:14 but it’s on speculations at this point, I have no hard data to back my claim up 21:39:37 we have a deputy of this week, we’d need a deputy for next week 21:39:45 starting Monday 5th 21:39:49 any takers? 21:40:16 I can do it next week 21:40:18 i can volunteer 21:40:21 doh 21:40:24 mlavalle: goes first 21:40:31 haleyb: you ok with Dec 12? 21:40:55 haleyb: I can switch if that fits you 21:41:09 armax: should be fine, just out starting 16th 21:41:29 ok 21:41:30 k 21:41:45 #action mlavalle and haleyb deputies for the weeks of 12/05 and 12/12 21:41:54 thanks guys 21:42:17 there weren't any showstopper bugs last week 21:42:18 next topic 21:42:36 they were eating turkey too I guess 21:42:47 and stuffing 21:42:49 #topic Docs 21:43:09 I believe newton branch has been cut for docs 21:43:26 not sure how and if any docs changes in flight can be backported 21:43:34 it’d be good to find out 21:44:23 looks like tehre’s nothing pressing to talk about docs 21:44:25 moving on 21:44:39 #topic OSC transition 21:45:04 amotoki has not been around lately and he was the one particularly active on neutronclient 21:45:13 helping with reviews etc 21:45:35 anyone has spare cycles to help out on this front? 21:46:12 o.k. 21:46:12 reviews or code? 21:46:17 kevinbenton: reviews 21:46:24 i can do some reviews 21:46:28 is there a topic to look for? 21:46:40 not that I know of 21:46:51 but there’s a blueprint 21:47:01 and if that’s referenced in the patches, you should look for 21:47:04 afaik they have a etherpad for that 21:47:13 sorry 21:47:18 I mean bug 1521291 21:47:18 bug 1521291 in neutron "[RFE] Transition neutron CLI from python-neutronclient to python-openstackclient" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1521291 - Assigned to Akihiro Motoki (amotoki) 21:47:27 armax: I will also take a look 21:47:37 I can help too. 21:48:11 bear in mind that python-neutronclient CLI development is froken from now on 21:48:44 freaken? 21:48:46 freakin? 21:48:48 or frozen? 21:48:49 frozen 21:49:14 so patches/bugs etc should target either the API client or existing CLI functionality or a translation to OSC CLIs commands 21:49:27 armax: etherpads for osc https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-neutron-support https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-network-command-sdk-support 21:49:35 dasanind_: thanks! 21:50:16 ok, moving on 21:50:24 #topic Neutron-lib and planned neutron refactoring 21:51:05 boden has a change out that is documenting how the development workflow for neutron-lib takes place 21:51:51 it landed already.. #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lib/blob/master/doc/source/contributing.rst 21:52:04 one of the things highlighted in that document is the introduction of a tag ‘NeutronLibImpact’ we’re gonna be using to capture any patch in flight that may have an effect on neutron and its repos 21:52:06 boden: thanks 21:52:27 so it’s easy to have a view of what’s about to land 21:52:30 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+message:%22NeutronLibImpact%22 21:52:33 or landed 21:52:42 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+message:%22NeutronLibImpact%22 21:53:04 we need to be particularly careful at landing code in an orderly fashion 21:53:21 because if we land two breaking changes at once we end up causing a jam in our gates 21:54:25 last week I reverted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402155/ 21:54:42 well 21:55:07 hopefully it gets better the more we rip out 21:55:08 I issued revert https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401377/ 21:55:18 to unjam the situatiion 21:55:33 and since that landed I am hoping we can reland 402155 21:56:06 kevinbenton: yes, I think there’s gonna be some interim pain for long term gain 21:56:46 HenryG: what do you rather land this week? 21:57:02 from least impactful to most impactful? 21:57:21 PLURALS eviction ‘seem’s the least impactful 21:58:43 btw 21:58:45 we’re 2 minutes to the top of the hour, we’ll have to skip the open discussion section 21:59:16 armax: haleyb and I are switching our bug deputies weeks 21:59:22 mlavalle: ok 21:59:49 well, I was just think about the impact of OSC transition on documentation, e. g. http://docs.openstack.org/newton/networking-guide 21:59:57 as for the libimpact changes, my suggestion would be to go slow for now and try to space out the merging on changes that may have an impact 22:00:19 to ensure we don’t have too much on our plate at any given time 22:00:25 gotta free up the slot 22:00:28 #endmeeting