16:01:11 <Sukhdev> #startmeeting networking_ml2
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16:01:29 <Sukhdev> #topic: Agenda
16:01:37 <Sukhdev> #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_Sept_9.2C_2015
16:01:57 <Sukhdev> #topic: Announcements
16:02:02 <Sukhdev> I got couple of them
16:02:17 <Sukhdev> Liberty-3 release content - https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/liberty-3
16:02:41 <Sukhdev> and, also Liberty RC1 is in the works
16:03:02 <Sukhdev> here is the content for it - https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/liberty-rc1
16:03:37 <Sukhdev> Does anybody have any other announcement?
16:04:00 <Sukhdev> moving on then -
16:04:18 <Sukhdev> #topic: ML2 late-cycle sprint
16:04:42 <Sukhdev> I sent out the announcement yesterday
16:04:50 <Sukhdev> I hope you saw it -
16:04:59 <Sukhdev> #link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/073927.html
16:05:32 <Sukhdev> I also updated the etherpad a bit to make it bit clear
16:06:03 <Sukhdev> Looks like we have an additional person who is interested in helping out
16:06:35 <rkukura> saw that
16:06:45 <Sukhdev> Anybody here has any questions about it?
16:06:53 <Sukhdev> rkukura: any feedback?
16:07:12 <rkukura> notice looks good, I’m booking my travel as we speak
16:07:38 <Sukhdev> good -
16:08:18 <Sukhdev> #topic: Mitaka Design Summit proposals
16:08:38 <Sukhdev> I added this to the agenda so that we can kick off the discussion on this subject
16:08:56 <Sukhdev> #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-mitaka-designsummit
16:09:28 <Sukhdev> We should discuss about what topics do we want present at the summit?
16:10:19 <Sukhdev> I was going to add two topics to the list - but, thought first discuss it here
16:10:30 <Sukhdev> 1) ML2 Sync framework
16:10:51 <rkukura> agreed on 1)
16:11:02 <yamahata> +1 for 1)
16:11:16 <Sukhdev> 2) ML2 API for Security Groups
16:12:19 <rkukura> +1 on 2) as long as someone puts together a reasonably concrete proposal to discuss
16:12:24 <Sukhdev> for 2) yamahata was going to do some investigation - I thought we add to the list and then continue to discuss it here and solidify
16:12:33 <rkukura> makes sense to me
16:12:36 <yamahata> It's yamamoto. not  me.
16:12:41 <yamahata> But I'd like to see 2).
16:13:14 <Sukhdev> yamahata: I am bad with names, please excuse me
16:13:33 <yamahata> Sukhdev: np. quite common.
16:13:40 <Sukhdev> yamamoto is not here it seems like
16:14:38 <Sukhdev> I can articulate the topic on the ehterpad - but. we need some meat behind the details
16:15:18 <Sukhdev> Can you think of any other topic that is of interest ?
16:15:37 <yamahata> dynamic provider network
16:15:52 * yamahata looking for launchpad link
16:16:01 <Sukhdev> I think I saw it on the etherpad
16:16:17 <Sukhdev> or something similar
16:16:24 <Sukhdev> yamahata: can you elaborate?
16:16:46 <yamahata> allow dynamically change phy<->bridge mapping.
16:16:57 <yamahata> It was originally proposed by HP.
16:17:27 <rkukura> yamahata: Is this the proposal to store these sorts of mappings in the DB with an API for admins?
16:17:28 <yamahata> Actually I need only the central place to store bridge mapping to consume.
16:17:38 <yamahata> rkukura: Yes.
16:18:10 <yamahata> I don't need dyanamic part though.
16:18:59 <rkukura> I wonder if this should somehow be related to the topology service?
16:19:31 <rkukura> It deals with hosts and what physical networks those hosts are connected to.
16:19:33 <yamahata> Yes, it's related. Its scope is limited.
16:20:29 <Sukhdev> I wonder if this is just a BP/RFE or deceives a session in design summit?
16:20:32 <Sukhdev> thoughts?
16:22:39 <rkukura> I think its worth proposing a design session
16:23:04 <yamahata> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/dynamic-network-segment-configuration
16:23:10 <yamahata> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/dynamic-network-segment-configuration
16:23:13 <yamahata> I found the links
16:24:31 <Sukhdev> #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/dynamic-network-segment-configuration
16:24:42 <Sukhdev> yamahata: thanks
16:24:47 <rkukura> yamahata: I think that one deals with the segmentation_id allocaiton ranges, which are global. But the mappings are host-specific. If we do both, coordination makes sense.
16:27:49 <Sukhdev> this is interesting - and useful as well - however, can't this be done by having a new type driver?
16:28:34 <yamahata> Regarding to the implementation, yes. But we need rest api.
16:29:05 <rkukura> Sukhdev: It could, maybe ones derived from the existing config-based type drivers. The REST API could be packaged as a service plugin.
16:29:19 <Sukhdev> yamahata: understood
16:30:13 <rkukura> But the physical_network<->bridge mapping yamahata brought up is specific to the mechanism drivers rather than the type drivers I think.
16:31:00 <Sukhdev> these two seem orthogonal
16:31:24 <Sukhdev> one related to segmentation management and other mapping management, no?
16:32:51 <rkukura> Sukhdev: Mostly, but potentially similar implementation approaches, and both probably need to know about what physical_networks exist.
16:33:27 <Sukhdev> got it
16:34:08 <Sukhdev> So, if we think this should be brought up at the design summit - this may not get a full topic -but, this could go into one of those flash sessions
16:34:40 <Sukhdev> I forgot what is it called, where you package 5 - 6 topics in one session
16:35:15 <yamahata> lightening talk?
16:35:15 <Sukhdev> does it make sense?
16:35:21 <yamahata> Yep
16:35:22 <Sukhdev> yamahata: yes - thanks
16:35:49 <rkukura> It might make sense to combine the allocation range, mapping, and topology stuff all into one session
16:36:24 <Sukhdev> rkukura: I am afraid topology guys are in their own little land :-)
16:36:57 <rkukura> Sukhdev: maybe, but not sure if they need a full session
16:37:13 <Sukhdev> rkukura: if they are at the sprint, we can discuss it there
16:37:33 <rkukura> +1
16:38:13 <Sukhdev> rkukura: how do we track this until then?
16:38:24 <Sukhdev> shall we add it to the ehterpad for now?
16:38:36 <rkukura> I don’t see why not
16:38:59 <Sukhdev> yamahata: do you want to take an action to add it to the etherpad?
16:39:07 <yamahata> Sukhdev: sure will do.
16:39:10 <Sukhdev> I will add the ML2 sync to the etherpad
16:39:10 <rkukura> I missed the past couple neutron IRC meetings, so am not sure if there are specific directions from mestery on this etherpad
16:39:56 <Sukhdev> rkukura: I missed this week's meeting - mestery posted the ehterpad on the ML
16:40:30 <rkukura> Sukhdev: OK. I’ll read the meeting logs when I get a chance anyway.
16:40:30 <Sukhdev> yamahata: thanks
16:40:49 <Sukhdev> Anything else we can think about?
16:40:56 <Sukhdev> for Mitaka cycle?
16:41:26 * Sukhdev waiting
16:42:07 <Sukhdev> OK - moving on then
16:42:21 <Sukhdev> I do not see authors for next three topics on the agenda
16:42:31 <Sukhdev> so, I am thinking we skip those
16:42:58 <Sukhdev> anybody has any objection - or want to discuss any of those topics
16:43:04 * Sukhdev waiting
16:43:29 <rkukura> no objection from me
16:43:43 <Sukhdev> yamahata: how about you?
16:44:02 <yamahata> we can skip those.
16:44:19 <Sukhdev> cool - that leads to the last one (fun part :-))
16:44:27 <Sukhdev> #topic: Open Discussion
16:44:49 <Sukhdev> Are you guys going to Tokoyo next week?
16:44:58 <rkukura> next week?
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16:45:08 <yamahata> next? no.
16:45:30 <Sukhdev> I meant month - sorry
16:45:49 <rkukura> planning to - need to book my flights still
16:45:55 <Sukhdev> yamahata: oh how come?
16:46:06 <yamahata> I'm coming.
16:46:31 <yamahata> :-)
16:46:35 <Sukhdev> yamahata: ah ha - looks like next week confused you - sorry about that :-)
16:46:57 <Sukhdev> I plan on staying a week after the summit for sight seeing
16:47:14 <Sukhdev> I am visiting Tokyo after 20+ years
16:47:35 <rkukura> Sukhdev: Its been about that long for me too
16:47:50 <rkukura> But I’ll just be there the summit week
16:48:27 <yamahata> There are many places to visit. and the autum is best season for sight seeing.
16:48:28 <Sukhdev> I thought I travel through south part of Japan after the summit -
16:48:46 <Sukhdev> yamahata: any recommendations?
16:49:21 <Sukhdev> yamahata: I was looking at the organized 3 day trips - but. have not decided yet
16:49:29 <yamahata> 3 days?
16:49:41 <yamahata> The easiest recomendation is to visito Kyoto.
16:49:59 <Sukhdev> I actually have 7 days after summit - I thought I do two 3-days trips
16:50:03 <yamahata> It's traditional japanease. templese shrines.
16:50:21 <yamahata> If you prefer to be around Tokyo area,
16:50:38 <Sukhdev> yes, one of the 3-day trip is Hiroshima and Kyoto
16:50:41 <yamahata> Ueno, Akihabara ...
16:50:50 <yamahata> Hiroshima is also good place.
16:51:31 <Sukhdev> Ueno - did not know about it - will check it out
16:51:45 <yamahata> asakusa
16:51:51 <Sukhdev> Akihabra is for all the electronic shopping, right?
16:52:09 <yamahata> Right. and also japanease manga/animation
16:52:34 <Sukhdev> cool - thanks - will check into this
16:52:39 <yamahata> Recently Akihabara has become Otaku town.
16:52:50 <yamahata> like Maid kissa
16:53:12 <Sukhdev> what is Maid Kissa? have never heard about it?
16:53:26 <Sukhdev> looks like I have lots of home work to do :-)
16:53:44 <yamahata> lol
16:54:13 <yamahata> If you like cosplay, maid coffe would be suitable for you.
16:54:22 <yamahata> cafe
16:55:09 <Sukhdev> yamahata: you are throwing all these words that I have never heard before :) what is cosplay?
16:55:25 <Sukhdev> maid cafe - is this some place in Akihabra?
16:56:02 <yamahata> cosplay is to wear costume for manga/anime character.
16:56:15 <yamahata> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maid_caf%C3%A9
16:56:39 <Sukhdev> oh I see - interesting!!
16:56:51 <yamahata> some likes it, some don't
16:57:01 <Sukhdev> I guess I have not scratched the surface yet !!!
16:57:38 <Sukhdev> Have to get the Liberty out - once done, guess I have to go consult Google uncle :-):-)
16:57:59 <Sukhdev> anyhow thanks yamahata for all the tips
16:58:10 <Sukhdev> we need to free up this channel for next meeting
16:58:28 <Sukhdev> Thanks folks for attending today's meeitng
16:58:34 <rkukura> thanks Sukhdev!
16:58:34 <Sukhdev> bye
16:58:36 <mlavalle> hey Sukhdev!
16:58:37 <rkukura> bye
16:58:38 <yamahata> bye
16:58:45 <Sukhdev> mlavalle: hey
16:58:55 <mlavalle> Sukhdev: going to Tokyo?
16:59:26 <Sukhdev> mlavalle: switching to private channel - have to leave this channel for next meeting
16:59:30 <Sukhdev> Thanks folks
16:59:34 <Sukhdev> #endmeeting