15:04:09 #startmeeting neutron-drivers 15:04:10 Meeting started Tue Oct 6 15:04:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:04:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:04:14 The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' 15:04:41 #startvote what's for lunch 15:04:41 Only the meeting chair may start a vote. 15:04:54 * mestery waves 15:05:10 O/ 15:05:14 hi 15:05:16 dougwig, armax: it can be short 15:05:24 i think we just had more rfe's from last week to look at 15:05:36 but we can defer if everyone is wiped out from that intense neutron meeting... 15:05:40 sounds good 15:06:02 kevinbenton: what intense neutron meeting? 15:06:14 the one right before this one 15:06:29 #link v 15:06:31 #undo 15:06:32 Removing item from minutes: 15:06:36 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=rfe 15:07:02 * carl_baldwin was just going ask what url shortener armax uses 15:07:06 is anyone of you guys thinking that this rfe process is working? 15:07:52 I can see that’s easier for some people to submit ideas 15:07:55 so that’s a positive 15:07:58 effect 15:08:07 It is a bit difficult to track the status of each bugs. someone proposes a patch before we discuss it. 15:08:20 It helped for the routed networks request from operators. 15:08:21 I think it's a little hard to track sometimes when multiple patches apply 15:08:49 i'm on record as preferring -specs, simply because the tooling is more queue oriented. i think the non-dev community prefers the rfe's. 15:09:14 There are deficiencies around the tooling. Launchpad isn’t quite geared for it. 15:09:16 maybe we should just not allow patches to directly reference an RFE? 15:09:44 it lowers the hurdle to request features. it is a good point of RFE. 15:09:49 kevinbenton: +1 15:10:17 right, we need a way to allow features requests to be submitted but block the normal bug processes... 15:10:22 kevinbenton: I don’t have an opinion either way. Just wondering what that solves and what the alternative is. 15:10:30 "Promote" an RFE to a blueprint when it is accepted? 15:10:52 or maybe just have RFEs be filed as blueprints to begin with? 15:11:05 I think the process has some benefits 15:11:47 but I would like to split the phases where we are asked to provide feedback 15:11:54 and the phase where the actual work happens 15:12:13 I don’t want RFE bugs linger for ever 15:13:01 so maybe once the drivers team ‘approves’/gives a thumb up we change the tag? 15:13:07 from rfe to rfe-approved? 15:13:09 and move on? 15:13:20 so that this list shrinks https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=rfe 15:13:33 if we are doing a good job at vetting stuff? 15:13:35 +1 to a shrinking list. 15:13:43 if people don’t pull their weight together 15:13:46 there’s nothing we can do 15:14:09 yeah, tag change sounds nice 15:14:10 and I don’t want to look to have bugs I have already seen littering my dashboard 15:14:21 that way people messing with the status don't interfere 15:14:46 so if you guys think it’s a good idea 15:14:49 +1 to tag change, good idea 15:14:55 +1 for changing tags 15:14:59 and since I am gonna have to make another policy change :) 15:15:00 +1 15:15:04 mestery: ^ 15:15:37 and go over the bug list to tag those that we have already ‘blessed' 15:15:48 so that we keep our sanity over time 15:16:12 +! 15:16:55 i like it, the status kludge is messy. 15:17:06 hopefully this has no impact to users filing these RFE's 15:17:14 so it’s not like we’re going backwards 15:17:19 dougwig: the fact that you had to invent a decoder ring probably should have been a red flag :) 15:17:28 * mestery catches up 15:17:29 we’re making a positive iterative improvement 15:17:51 armax: I like that idea 15:18:00 ok, I’ll do that right after this meeting 15:18:05 put a patch up for you to review 15:18:17 armax: Good idea, it's a cleaner method, as dougwig said, the status kludge was messy 15:18:41 so do we want to call it ‘a day’ and wait for a cleaned list of bugs to talk about? 15:18:43 hint hint 15:18:59 * carl_baldwin okay with that 15:19:18 unless there’s something pressing I think we should discuss 15:19:24 I would like to know about my rfe ... 15:19:31 what about it? 15:19:32 HenryG: which one? 15:19:32 one question: how do we handle RFE for neutron subprojects? when it was submitted it was a reasonable RFE but now we have a separate project. 15:19:38 https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1501380 15:19:38 Launchpad bug 1501380 in neutron "Evolution of options and features in neutron-db-manage" [Medium,Confirmed] 15:19:52 HenryG: go ahead first 15:20:07 Is that the wrong way to abuse an rfe? 15:20:12 amotoki: if the RFE affects the Neutron sides of thing then we should keep it tracked in Neutron 15:20:22 Should I file individual bugs? 15:20:25 HenryG: probably 15:20:42 amotoki: otherwise no 15:20:59 armax: one example is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1450617 15:20:59 Launchpad bug 1450617 in neutron "Neutron extension to support service chaining" [Undecided,Triaged] - Assigned to cathy Hong Zhang (cathy-h-zhang) 15:21:08 HenryG: it sounds to me that what you want to do is sensible no matter what 15:21:17 HenryG: so you shouldn’t seek the oversight of the drivers team 15:21:24 but the core team would do 15:21:34 amotoki: me looks 15:21:42 armax: OK, will do separate bugs instead. Thanks 15:21:48 amotoki: ok, I’ll clean that one up 15:22:05 amotoki: that was clearly filed when the subproject didn’t even exist 15:22:19 that’s stuff that’s lingering and needs to be cleaned 15:22:22 anything else? 15:22:32 amotoki: +1 15:22:32 nothing from me 15:22:54 armax: yes. I wonder how we handle it: which status is best: Invalid, Won't fix???? 15:23:34 amotoki: we can target the networking-sfct launchpad project 15:23:37 and remove it from neutron 15:23:46 ah.... good idea! 15:23:58 I totally forgot this option. 15:24:17 yup 15:24:33 motion to adjourn? 15:24:40 adjuourn 15:24:47 ++ 15:24:51 ++ 15:24:58 #action I’ll polish the RFE bugs up too 15:25:00 bear with me 15:25:21 #endmeeting