22:03:55 #startmeeting neutron_drivers 22:03:56 Meeting started Thu Nov 3 22:03:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:03:57 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 22:03:58 code of conduct violation 22:03:59 The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' 22:04:01 is it neutron drivers or neutron kindergarten meeting? couldn't deduce 22:04:26 is there a difference? 22:04:43 probably not 22:05:02 ok guys, let’s be quick for ihrachys’ sake 22:05:10 despite him gaining back an hour 22:05:15 he’s still pretty sleepy 22:05:36 * ihrachys closes his webcam with a sticker just in case 22:05:50 for our US folks, next week we switch back from daylight saving 22:06:00 so this meeting we’ll start an hour earlier 22:06:19 so the team meeting, for instance is 6am PST 22:06:27 if I didn’t join at 7am, imagine what happens now 22:06:28 anyhoo 22:06:30 I digress 22:06:30 well at least it's not too early 22:07:17 let’s talk about the stadium assessment really quick 22:07:22 right now we have these pending patches: 22:07:27 https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-specs+branch:master+topic:stadium-implosion 22:07:46 those that are good to go I believe are 22:07:50 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383908/ 22:07:54 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383882/ 22:08:24 I have not seem much activity on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383907/ 22:08:27 so that’s probably good too 22:08:36 I’ll respin the others 22:08:43 by the end of today 22:08:53 if you guys can keep an eye on them 22:08:58 I tried to ping neil, no response today 22:09:13 HenryG: he and I had a chat at the summit 22:09:27 he’ll be working on some of the feedback 22:09:36 last time I heard from neil was on Fri at the summit, asking about some gaps to close 22:09:40 but time and resources are tight 22:09:55 we’ll support him the best way we can 22:10:10 as things stand, it’s unlikely calico is gonna make the cut 22:10:18 the question is, will he be able to deliver much in next week. I doubt. 22:10:20 but miracles do happen 22:10:29 ihrachys: you’re not a man of faith? 22:10:54 armax: doesn't seem you are; I am just copying from the best 22:11:18 ihrachys: I used to be 22:11:20 ihrachys: :) 22:11:48 anyhoo, I’ll refresh these, then I’ll make sure that the summary capture an updated snapshot of where things stand 22:12:30 I started with revisiting the governance list 22:12:31 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392010/ 22:12:48 as you can see, the projects don’t disappear 22:13:40 and assumed someone pulls the right weight behind them again, there’s no reason why the patch can’t be reverted 22:14:08 that retirement is reversible right? they just propose a patch on top, either moving under tent, or into stadium, again 22:14:22 ihrachys: correct 22:14:36 a tangential effort I am poking at slowly is this 22:14:37 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391594/ 22:14:52 this is another area to which I would like to bring some sanity too 22:15:17 of all the gazillion drivers we have in neutron, in tree, out of tree and those that rely on 3rd party 22:15:20 ci 22:15:41 there’s no common standard to use as a comparative measure 22:16:27 if I get some blessing from the tempest folks in the direction 22:16:40 then I would like to extend these to our internal API tests too 22:17:10 I talked to thingee a few times in the past about this and I also look forward to his feedback 22:17:53 armax can you point me to any discussion or patch? 22:18:04 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391594/ 22:18:07 thanks 22:18:17 we had a verbal discussion last week 22:18:47 plus a few emails way back 22:19:20 I may easily miss the point, so sorry for that; but that seems more like redefining extensions and/or defcore, which is suspicious. but I need to have a closer look (I will tomorrow) 22:20:04 ihrachys: not quite, but if I was unable to convey my message clearly I obviosuly need to work on it 22:20:10 the patch is just a start 22:20:29 well, it may well be me not being able to grasp the idea in 1 minute of reading the commit message :P 22:20:33 I did not want to put an awful lot of work into it without having an initial feedback 22:20:39 ihrachys: sure 22:20:50 as to your specific point 22:21:02 today when we look at the list of neutron extensions 22:21:06 the list is flat 22:21:15 armax thanks for starting this 22:21:17 we don’t know which plugins implement which extensions 22:22:13 ihrachys: there’s probably a few ways to skin this cat, but give it some thought and we can talk at a better time of your day :) 22:22:31 ofc 22:23:37 as soon as next week I’d like to resume reviewing some RFEs 22:23:42 I appreciate the cycle is tight 22:23:51 and we most likely won’t be able to tackle any 22:24:04 but at least we can give some feedback to submitters 22:24:13 on whether they are on the right track or not 22:25:06 so if you guys can spare a few momemnts out of your week to look at the usual lists 22:25:08 https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.tag=rfe 22:25:13 https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.tag=rfe 22:25:17 https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe 22:25:29 that would be good 22:25:57 I usually carve some time to screen the lists before the meeting anyway 22:26:40 Did you see this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1638399 22:26:40 Launchpad bug 1638399 in neutron "EC2 networking driver for Neutron" [Undecided,New] 22:26:46 yes 22:26:55 it was filed as blueprint to start off 22:27:05 HenryG: I think it was at a keynote 22:27:30 oh right, that's what it says in the desc 22:28:03 I don't believe we need to have it in scope of neutron itself do we? 22:28:16 I haven’t given it any thought yet 22:29:52 About neutron-lib 22:30:11 ihrachys: it doesnt’ have to be, but I suppose we can also look at it from the perspective of stadium inclusion criteria and judge that way 22:30:15 HenryG: shoot 22:30:53 armax: it would need to first move to our infra and apply significant effort to get to that point where we could judge it 22:31:07 ihrachys: agreed 22:31:10 How do we make it official about the new policy for rehoming and (not) deprecating code? 22:31:28 HenryG: make official what exactly? 22:31:33 oh 22:31:56 HenryG: I added a section here: 22:31:57 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Neutron-lib_and_planned_breakages 22:32:17 I was going to use the latest neutron-lib release as a way to trial the process a bit 22:32:21 so bear with me 22:32:32 I’ll probably tweak the title 22:32:41 OK. Will we need an entry in policies.rst? 22:32:55 what for? 22:33:28 To make it official. I guess I am not seeing how we can defend ourselves when we break others. 22:33:39 understood 22:33:57 would a link to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331338/ (in whichever shape that is going to merge) suffice? 22:34:11 we’ll have to announce this on the various media we have at our disposal anyway 22:34:30 Yes, that seems about right 22:34:33 to make sure the people who pay attention have a chance to absorb the change 22:35:37 renamed to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Neutron-lib_and_planned_neutron_refactoring btw 22:36:13 btw we have neutron-lib 1.0.0 by the looks of it 22:36:14 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392009/ 22:36:22 yep, cool 22:36:45 I don’t see it here yet 22:36:45 https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/requirements+status:open 22:37:02 but I recall from an email from dhellmann that the process is changing slightly 22:37:10 Are we missing something? 22:37:23 Or is it just the usual latency? 22:38:07 http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106593.html 22:38:12 release-post job still running for the release 22:38:22 4:31 already 22:38:26 point * Updating upper-constraints.txt for a release 22:38:48 so pypi does not really have a tarball 22:38:54 so nothing to update from 22:40:10 another release-post job is hanging for 7hours already. 22:40:12 it will take time 22:40:30 ouch 22:40:47 I was hoping I could use my bulldozzer straight away 22:42:19 ok 22:42:30 I don’t think I have much else on my plate 22:42:40 and I promised I’d get ihrachys off the hook sooner 22:42:43 than usual 22:42:58 we could have him stick another hour though since he’s already back to standard time 22:43:19 :) 22:43:39 anything else that comes to mind from everyone? 22:43:59 words of praise/despair/dislike/anger/joy? 22:45:54 ok it looks like you guys have lost the will to live 22:46:13 * ihrachys waves 22:46:14 ARMAX IS THE GREATEST 22:46:26 I’ll let you swim in your silence 22:46:40 HenryG: I didn’t say to use words of derision 22:46:54 anyhoo :) 22:47:03 have a good weekend when it comes 22:47:05 cheers everyone 22:47:09 #endmeeting