22:00:32 #startmeeting neutron_drivers 22:00:33 Meeting started Thu Jan 25 22:00:32 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:00:34 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 22:00:36 The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' 22:01:23 Hi there! 22:01:30 o/ 22:01:43 sup? 22:02:11 armax: ping 22:02:35 amotoki: ping 22:02:55 ihrachys: let's wait a couple of minutes 22:05:30 this late meeting doesn't seem to play nice 22:05:35 hi 22:05:42 there he is 22:05:51 in between meetings 22:06:04 you have time for this meeting? 22:06:09 yeah 22:06:13 great 22:06:16 past meeting ran late 22:06:21 we have quorum today 22:06:33 hi 22:06:35 sorry late 22:06:47 First topic I wanted to cover was the release and FFEs 22:07:03 armax: anything we should be aware of as far as the release? 22:07:41 not particularly 22:07:47 next week we’ll cut the first RC1 22:08:20 queens-3 has been cut so there’s roughly one week to get things polished up in the neutron projects 22:08:30 in time for RC1 22:08:41 speaking of which.... 22:08:46 https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html 22:09:04 as far as I know, there is one FFE for Neutron 22:09:16 the calendar between now and the official release date 22:09:30 http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-January/126582.html 22:10:07 This is for new events being added for floating ips 22:10:13 armax, have we released tempest plugin? 22:10:34 so the long story short is that we don’t have to 22:10:40 but we can if we want to 22:10:52 it's not synced with release right? 22:10:57 and being on an indepentent release model we can do whenever 22:11:02 ok 22:11:10 ihrachys: it’s must understanding that we test from master all the time 22:11:18 we should release it sometimes, yes. distros will be relieved somewhat. 22:11:24 otherwise that defeats the point of branchless testing 22:11:38 armax, yes, but distros may want to package it still (which they do), and tarball is handy 22:11:45 right, agreed 22:11:57 I have it on my notepad 22:12:03 ok 22:12:03 I’ll get it done, sir 22:12:40 going back to the FFE request 22:12:41 mlavalle, to the q of new events, I think it's fine 22:12:51 and yes it's better to get them early so that they can rely on it 22:13:04 it's not an endorsement for patches but to include the bug 22:13:11 you agree armax? 22:13:13 do we track release bugs in LP? 22:13:52 mlavalle: yes 22:14:00 cool 22:14:13 any other FFEs you might be aware of? 22:14:35 we should track https://review.openstack.org/536913 to merge 22:14:48 mlavalle: there’s one about OVN 22:15:04 ihrachys: noted and agreed 22:15:09 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/534423/ 22:15:50 is that what Daniel mentioned in the Neutron release patch yesterday? 22:15:54 yeah ovn folks were talking about some db correctness patches still in flight they wanted to include 22:15:56 mlavalle: correct 22:16:04 ihrachys: that’s the one ^ 22:16:12 mlavalle, not sure about the patch, but yes it was Daniel that I talked to 22:16:26 armax, the only one? 22:17:17 I am puzzled about which patches should we list now? what's the policy from now on? should we stop merges for any approved patches that are in flight unless they are in the list? 22:17:22 (is the list in LP?) 22:17:36 there are quite some patches that haven't merged, they have +W 22:17:45 gate was not very welcoming so... 22:18:23 ihrachys: we used to handle this via the rc-potential bug in LP 22:18:27 s/bug/tag 22:18:31 I think considering largely disastrous ways previous 2 releases went, maybe we should actually block merges except for tracked bug fixes + FFEs + gate fixes. 22:18:51 armax, right. my question is, should I go and -2 / -W patches that are not in the list? :) 22:19:09 ihrachys: well, I used to that when I was in charge :) 22:19:37 I think we should do it 22:19:43 right. I think we should do it (tag / dashboard in LP) / forbid any merges except those in list / critical 22:19:44 I would not blame you if you did that :) 22:19:48 something for mlavalle to consider 22:19:52 and btw 22:20:03 2 releases ago I was still in charge, are you saying that I did a lousy job? 22:20:17 granted, Ocata was kinda weird cycle 22:20:19 armax, haha. no, we did 22:20:35 we were pushing late patches that were breaking even more things 22:20:48 so let's follow this approach 22:21:01 I will create the necessary list at the end of this meeting 22:21:08 ihrachys: things are never near to perfection when you need them to be! 22:21:24 armax: I might need some guidnace from you but I will do it 22:21:24 armax, you did great btw, all cycles 22:22:02 armax: do you have a script or something to automate -2 thing? 22:22:17 mlavalle, ok. then I have some more candidates that are with +W right now that we should get in. 22:22:27 for example https://review.openstack.org/536367 that is a race in ovs agent 22:22:28 yamamoto: no 22:22:41 ihrachys: shoot 22:22:43 I had a script that removed the -2s 22:22:56 also this https://review.openstack.org/499908 though it's probably not ready right now but I want to tackle it till final 22:23:09 it's a bug we introduced in pike with writable mtu 22:23:10 I was painstakingly reviewing the lot to make sure I wouldn’t had -2 unencessirly 22:23:40 though iirc henryG had a query that highlighted patches with DB migration and API extensions 22:23:56 which typically should be the ones to be blocked or looked at carefully 22:24:35 actually that seems like all I have in my queue that is worthy getting early 22:24:55 ihrachys: ack, we will keep track of those 22:25:27 ihrachys: and what about this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/537863/ ? 22:25:35 is it important to mention it also here? 22:25:40 ah right that's a good one too 22:25:49 yes 22:25:50 and it's safe 22:25:57 thx 22:26:05 actually, I just pushed it in 22:26:26 mlavalle: thx 22:26:43 but will tag it so we track it actually meges 22:26:51 merges^^^^ 22:27:03 that's the point of the exercise, right? :-) 22:28:07 anything else regarding release, ffes? 22:29:05 none from me 22:29:19 will we block patches for neutron-tempest-plugin as well? 22:29:48 no, I don't think that is necessry 22:30:23 in light of what we discussed at the beginning of the meeting 22:30:31 mlavalle: +1 22:30:58 that said, we should not allow patches that might test stuff that is not landing asap 22:31:15 neutron-tempest-plugin changes can break the gate especially for subprojects 22:31:43 so maybe we should stop merging there 22:31:46 armax, I don't think you can even land it like that since we cross-gate 22:32:09 usually we just do depends-on 22:32:24 ihrachys: sure, 22:32:42 but in the past I was using -2 as a deterrent to keep the gate free-ish from non critical patches 22:32:52 yeah that's a consideration 22:33:00 especially since gate is quite sick lately 22:33:01 might no longer be absolutely necesary nowadays 22:33:10 I am trying to tackle issues one by one but it's fighing mills 22:33:14 *fighting 22:33:16 I have never seen a gate not sick during relase crunch 22:33:29 ok, goods points 22:33:33 I'm convinced 22:33:39 yeah, but we now also have zuulv3 misbehaving and meltdown slowdown 22:33:45 let's freeze merging also in the tempest plugin repo 22:33:53 so yeah, let's block as much as possible 22:34:06 let's play it as safe as possible 22:34:08 and aggressively revert non-compliant merges 22:34:32 when stable/queens is created we can get back to merges. 22:34:39 yeap 22:34:47 that’s the plan 22:35:22 I will send a message to the ML also 22:35:49 and will also reach to Daniel, to make sure there are no more patches on OVN side 22:36:09 ihrachys seemed to have the impresion it was more than one 22:36:24 better to be over cautious than sorry 22:36:45 yeah though I could mixed things 22:36:51 I know 22:36:57 I am just playing it safe 22:37:13 it doesn't hurt to ask 22:37:26 + good 22:37:46 ok 22:37:48 so let' 22:38:09 let's spend some time tackling RFEs 22:38:36 The first one in the list is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1708460 22:38:37 Launchpad bug 1708460 in neutron " [RFE] Reaction to network congestion for qos" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Fouad Benamrane (ftreqah) 22:38:37 before doing that 22:38:45 armax: go ahead 22:38:53 mlavalle: this week is Rocky PTL self nomination 22:39:11 I think it's next week 22:39:29 um 22:39:35 this might be wrong then 22:39:56 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/537918/ 22:40:02 it doesn't hurt to ask people caring to consider and check dates and think about it :) 22:40:11 either way 22:40:11 armax: it seems you are right 22:40:29 mlavalle: of course I am 22:40:31 I am always right 22:40:36 :) 22:40:39 at least per https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html 22:40:46 armax: yeah, I know 22:40:51 LOL 22:41:00 irrespective of the date 22:41:14 someone has to ponder on what to do :) 22:41:29 mlavalle I suppose you’re far from being burned out 22:41:30 I intend to submit my candidaccy 22:41:40 kwel 22:41:42 great, you can have the cake then 22:41:51 it's just that for some reason I thought it was next week 22:42:01 that would be a shame :) 22:42:20 thanks for slapping me out of my mistake ;-) 22:42:23 CNN headlines: openstack in disarray, neutron won't have a ptl, senate consultations ongoing 22:42:31 LOL 22:42:53 FAKE NEWS! 22:43:12 Potus ruined it for everyone :( 22:44:08 ok, let's move on 22:44:38 the first RFE in the list is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1708460 22:44:39 Launchpad bug 1708460 in neutron " [RFE] Reaction to network congestion for qos" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Fouad Benamrane (ftreqah) 22:44:54 it's a good thing that slaweq is here tonight 22:45:11 I was reading this specs few days ago 22:45:14 so he can provide input to the conversation 22:45:24 and to be honest I don't feel it 22:45:48 I want to mention that in May of last year, we approved a similar RFE 22:46:05 author wants to add something like periodic monitoring of bandwidth, report it to neutron server and dynamically change QoS bandwidth limit values for ports in network 22:46:07 https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505627 22:46:09 Launchpad bug 1505627 in neutron "[RFE] QoS Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Support" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) 22:46:28 that hasn't made much progress 22:46:35 mlavalle: yes, and this similar rfe looks easier to do and more reasonable 22:46:48 but it require to enable ECN in vm by user 22:46:52 slaweq, meaning like another daemon / thread in ovs agent that sniffs traffic? 22:46:53 at the time, we pre-approved contingent on spec 22:47:07 ihrachys: that's what I understood from this specs 22:47:22 I imagine sniffing will have enormous perf impact 22:48:01 so I don't know if it's good to put it in neutron - IMHO it's more like job for heat to switch bandwidth limits dynamically 22:49:14 good point 22:49:29 so long story short, I'm not sure if https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1708460 should be done all in Neutron but maybe You will read this specs and will have different opinion 22:49:30 Launchpad bug 1708460 in neutron " [RFE] Reaction to network congestion for qos" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Fouad Benamrane (ftreqah) 22:49:59 and according to reedip's https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505627 IMO this is fine 22:49:59 Launchpad bug 1505627 in neutron "[RFE] QoS Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Support" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) 22:50:17 so that's all what I can say about it :) 22:50:41 I think we should suggest them to pursue the goal with an orchestrator on top like heat, and see what they have to say 22:51:02 and also unify the effort 22:51:21 we have two people writing very similar specs 22:51:37 which drains their bandwidth and the reviewers as well 22:51:41 right? 22:51:57 they don't even seem similar no? 22:52:48 that other RFE is for VMs to send ECN-tagged traffic 22:53:09 here it's vice versa - you get signals from external network to punish VMs 22:53:14 amirite? 22:53:34 to make ECN working it has to be enabled in whole path 22:53:52 and reedip's change is about to enable ECN support in neutron routers and networks 22:54:34 but to make this feature working in this case, VMs which send and receive traffic needs to enable ECN support also and that is not in the scope of this specs 22:54:49 that is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505627 22:54:50 Launchpad bug 1505627 in neutron "[RFE] QoS Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Support" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) 22:55:25 yeah that makes sense. neutron path would enable for / act on tags but wouldn't dynamically throttle 22:55:41 and second one (https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1708460) is about what to do on Neutron's side to not require enabling ECN support inside VM 22:55:42 Launchpad bug 1708460 in neutron " [RFE] Reaction to network congestion for qos" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Fouad Benamrane (ftreqah) 22:56:09 but to limit bandwidth if necessary with QoS bandwidth limit rules 22:57:02 ok. I think it's fine to postpone the 'reaction' RFE and ask to work on reedip's one 22:57:17 ihrachys: I agree with that 22:57:47 and not have two efforts competing for resources 22:58:36 ok, I think we have a plan for this one 22:58:44 yamamoto: any thoughts? 22:58:57 * mlavalle looks at the clock 22:59:40 i need to read the old one 22:59:58 ok 23:00:52 I assume that in principle we will postpone the 'reaction' RFE and propose continuwe working on Reedip's one 23:01:04 unless yamamoto opposes after reading 23:01:10 #endmeeting