20:01:51 #startmeeting newton-cross-project-session-scheduling 20:01:52 Meeting started Thu Apr 7 20:01:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:01:54 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:01:56 The meeting name has been set to 'newton_cross_project_session_scheduling' 20:02:10 ok, potentially useful for logging 20:02:10 * mtreinish lurks 20:02:19 * harlowja sorta lurks 20:02:20 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cross-project-sessions 20:02:44 hmm, won't add my nick at the top :) 20:02:58 I added up all the scores earlier, and the results of the top 21 sessions were sent out to the tc ML 20:03:13 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2016-April/001159.html 20:03:32 first order of business, do we think any sessions should be 2x ? 20:03:46 #topic any 2x sessions 20:03:49 I don't think there is a session that really needs everyone and therefore would justify a more complex setup than 3x7 20:04:04 ttx: oh, sorry, different question 20:04:09 though that's a good one 20:04:10 let me see if there is anything really too short 20:04:12 o/ 20:04:14 should any session be a double block 20:04:25 as in run long 20:04:25 yeah, I started typing before you topiced 20:04:56 but I agree we should look to do a 3 track by default and only do something diffferent if we have to 20:05:21 sdague: not sure any of the big topics is advanced enough that a double session would make it make progress a lot more than a single-session 20:05:23 sdague : does not seem so 20:05:32 i mean don't see anything running too long 20:05:35 ok, fair enough, I'm fine with that 20:05:39 Co-installability is a long topic, but we are just breaking the subject 20:05:49 the deployment tools one was the only thing I was wondering about 20:06:02 single CLI maybe 20:06:05 but maybe if we stick that early in the day it will let those folks continue to discuss later 20:06:14 deployment, they can decide to continue it on Friday 20:06:24 or even Tuesday yes 20:06:51 ok, so I also thought there were a few natural pairings like deployment & coinstall 20:07:04 I stuck those in there 20:07:06 sdague: Maybe we should be clear that those are long topics that will surely not be solved in 40min and encourage people to meet afterwards 20:07:12 yep 20:07:48 the continue on Friday is good, with some time inbetween to dig in small groups maybe 20:07:51 ok, should we start proposing things into slots and see where we get to? 20:07:58 Room sizes will be roughly equivalent so no need to prioritize by popularity 20:08:18 Let me see if we group them by themes 20:08:43 def some kind of 'tech tebt theme' 20:08:54 23 might follow the 13 then 6 chain well 20:09:24 "API/CLI" is probably a theme 20:10:36 9 and 23 are non-technical (community) 20:11:55 I think there are three big themes 20:12:12 General policy/community decisions, like the EOL 20:12:26 Implementation of things that are already there or in progress, like CLI 20:12:42 And more... long-term technical design discussion 20:13:04 I like 9 and 24 being together, there is some connection between them 20:13:22 That makes 3x7 20:13:24 I think 9 should be ahead of 24, it might inform it somewhat 20:13:35 Though I did have to shoehorn 4 into the first category 20:13:38 right 9 & 24 pair 20:13:53 sorry i typoed before. yes 9/24 20:14:01 so, I want to tweak this a little because I think we have audience overlap as well, let me propose a thing 20:14:04 sdague: saw my categorization on the etherpad ? makes sense for room split ? 20:14:56 well, except I think deploy & coinstall should go back to back 20:15:05 ok 20:15:09 because coinstallability is basically held back by the deploy folks 20:15:12 ttx : 4 is borderline between practical and astroturf :) 20:15:17 they are the stake holders 20:15:19 Let's move Quto to room C then 20:15:22 Quota 20:15:27 sure 20:15:35 and/or policy 20:15:37 the 2 policy should go back to back 20:16:03 4/20 is a bit in-between room B and C 20:16:59 13 and 6, which one do we want to talk about first? 20:17:14 13 I think? 20:17:25 yeh, I'd rather make sure the pairings land together, and not across a break 20:17:27 sure 20:17:31 maybe swapping 22 and 23 ? 20:17:59 sure, I'd be fine with that 20:18:00 those two may have a similar audience 20:18:05 22 sounds more practical/immediate than 23 20:18:23 agree 20:18:28 I like the split 20:18:43 ok, let me stare at this for a second and make sure I'm not screwed in my time blocks 20:19:11 We should swap 9 and 24 20:19:12 * ttx adds too 20:19:39 26 and 11 probably should be back to back 20:19:55 good 20:20:36 I think I'm not screwed 20:20:42 ok, so we ruined dtroyer_zz 20:21:09 swap the devstack pair with the policy pair? 20:21:12 ideally we'd put the design summit split discussion at the end of the day, to limit bikeshedding 20:21:32 yeh 20:21:35 and move the CLI discussion earlier 20:21:41 dtroyer_zz: what about move CLI early? 20:21:41 so that we unscrew dtroyer 20:21:51 I think the split discussion that has consequences for 24 20:22:02 CLi early is good 20:22:04 like swap with discovery 20:22:28 ttx I pushed it 2 blocks earlier 20:22:32 before the coffee break 20:22:56 let me see if we spread out the popular ones enough 20:23:26 can we swap (14,20) with (26,11)? 20:23:59 good for me 20:24:22 but maybe sdague wanted to be at the cross-project one 20:24:27 ok, that completely eliminates me from the room A meta discussions 20:24:44 which might be fine 20:24:57 ttx is all day in room A except for one 20:25:15 yeh, that's fine 20:25:30 we don't let him out :) 20:25:35 so, I would invert 26,11 if we keep them there anyway 20:26:18 sdague: ok move them and let's see how it works 20:26:23 but, yeh, I can live with the jump 20:26:33 so B: 22, 1 11, 26, 16, 14, 20 20:27:02 howzzat? 20:27:13 actually can we stick policy in C 20:27:18 in the midblock 20:27:32 sdague: we could swap 24 and 9 (or 14 with 20) depending on which discussion from room A you prefer to be around for 20:28:12 how about that? 20:28:26 works for me 20:28:33 it moves policy to the C room, and I inverted the order on the devstack ones so I can be in the service one 20:28:44 the v3 one I'm still not a huge fan of 20:29:03 lgtm 20:29:04 maybe that's the one you need to be in then? 20:29:29 let's check moderators quickly 20:29:51 dtroyer_zz: I'm not a huge fan of it on the schedule, because I don't see what is going to happen there that wouldn't happen in an email :) 20:30:08 it's not like anything is controversial there, it just needs to be written down 20:30:09 ah, gotcha. 20:31:43 right, there is definitely a mordred conflict 20:32:09 23 <-> 25? 20:32:53 dtroyer_zz: that would put CLI in the first block 20:33:11 19/25 ? 20:33:51 hmm, or 12<->25 20:34:08 sure, I think 19 <-> 25, 23 <-> 25, or 12 <-> 25 would all be fine 20:34:34 arh no 20:34:46 what does 12 - 25 break? 20:34:49 we need thingee in that cross-project one 20:34:54 oh, right 20:34:58 conflict with 24 20:35:01 revert 20:35:08 yep 20:35:18 19<->25? 20:35:30 I think mordred would want to be in co-installability 20:35:38 sure, or 23 <-> 25? 20:35:50 works for me 20:36:04 I can live with it, but those two probably have some audience overlap 20:36:18 er, 23 and 22 20:36:42 dtroyer_zz: possibly 20:36:43 dtroyer_zz: how about we swap 19 and 23 now then 20:37:02 sure 20:37:09 ok, ttx you c/p 20:37:13 so we don't collide again 20:37:25 the joys of bubble sort on schedule 20:37:33 y 20:37:38 :) 20:37:41 been off the wheel for the last 5 min, so taht was not me :) 20:37:46 ah, ok 20:37:55 ok, done 20:38:10 that looks about as sane a first pass as I can imagine 20:38:29 I think I preferred 19/23 the other way, but that may be a bit selfish 20:38:40 I can take that and propose it to the dev list, and ask for feedback 20:38:42 (I would rather attend CLI on my last free slot) 20:39:05 so, we could 20:39:15 I'd prefer to be in 10 over 17, so ya, it can go back 20:39:26 19<->23 and 1<->22 20:39:26 sdague: that is a risky recipe, note that there is no way to please everyone 20:39:44 ttx: well, not so much feedback as hard conflicts at this point 20:39:55 because who knows who is on the conf schedule 20:39:57 sdague: 19<->23 and 1<->22 +1 20:40:05 dtroyer_zz: ? 20:40:10 +1 20:40:29 o/ 20:40:34 ok 20:40:54 people generally good with this as a draft? 20:41:20 sdague: it's fine posting it as a strawman and ask for conflicts, just say that it is already the result of an optimization, so we won't likely be able to accommodate every request 20:41:23 sdague : LGTM 20:41:27 LGTM 20:41:35 LGTM2 20:41:52 ttx: yeh, I will word it correctly to only ask for resolution if you have a hard conflict 20:42:02 ok, I'll send that out in the morning 20:42:05 hmm, let me check something else quickly 20:42:10 oh no 20:42:19 conference talks 20:42:31 I have the list of conflicts there pre-canned for DS planning 20:43:01 Monty has talks at 11:15 and 4:40 20:43:34 + robclark at 4:40 20:43:40 he looks clear for those 2 slots 20:43:44 that may be ok, modulo distance? 20:43:52 I don't care about distance. Run 20:43:57 haha 20:44:05 * dtroyer_zz makes note to bring roller blades 20:44:10 this is texas :) 20:44:14 yes, looks good 20:44:45 whew 20:44:53 ok, thanks all. 20:45:08 fun uh 20:45:09 #action sdague to send email with schedule to list 20:45:12 cool 20:45:27 nice 20:45:28 #action ttx to carve out 3x7 schedule block 20:45:44 I can fill out details once you put the blocks there 20:45:46 mind you, that talk conflict data was lifted off the schedule a few weeks ago so likely to be corrupt by now 20:45:52 sure 20:46:02 gotta start somewhere 20:46:05 sdague: alright, will create that tomorrow morning 20:46:09 sounds good 20:46:11 thanks all 20:46:13 It's pretty solid I think 20:46:18 yeh, me too 20:46:19 sdague: thx a lot for driving 20:46:22 no prob 20:46:28 #endmeeting