16:00:35 #startmeeting nfv 16:00:35 Meeting started Thu Sep 4 16:00:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:36 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:38 ohai - aloha - morning - bonjour - guten tag - \o 16:00:38 The meeting name has been set to 'nfv' 16:00:48 !topic roll call 16:00:49 sgordon_: Error: "topic" is not a valid command. 16:00:54 #topic roll call 16:00:57 whoops :) 16:01:02 ohai - aloha - morning - bonjour - guten tag - \o 16:01:04 who is here for the nfv meeting? 16:01:13 hi 16:01:31 expecting to be short/quick today as i expect a lot of people are dealing with feature freeze related work 16:01:44 Howdy 16:01:50 hi luke 16:02:00 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda 16:02:16 #topic review action items 16:02:26 so russell scored two action items last week 16:02:48 one on clarification of FeatureProposalFreeze wiki, which i am unclear on - possibly still outstanding 16:02:56 the other was related to the NUMA I/O scheduling 16:03:08 now as ndipanov appears to be requesting an FFE for the base NUMA work 16:03:18 i am not sure where this one stands, maybe jchapman can update 16:03:28 FYI on NUMA FFE 16:03:30 sgordon, he 16:03:32 hi 16:03:40 it has sufficient core sponsors but the questions are around testing 16:03:59 i think it would be helpful if anyone were able to step forward and publically say they are going to test this before release 16:04:23 #info Base NUMA functionality will require an FFE, has sponsors but needs testing commitment 16:04:25 (say it in response to the email requesting NUMA FFE ) 16:04:44 right 16:04:56 the pushback we're seeing against NUMA is all related to level of testing 16:05:05 so anything to mitigate that is useful 16:05:15 #info need a lucky volunteer to test NUMA functionality before release 16:05:28 danpb: We will test the NUMA functionality 16:05:42 oh and they need to say this on the mail within the next 24 hrs 16:05:52 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044878.html 16:06:16 and specifically: 16:06:18 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044906.html 16:06:50 adrian-hoban, indeed - i think the key is to have a documented commitment on list as to how this will happen 16:07:41 danpb: sgordon: We will reply to the mail saying what we intend to test 16:07:49 anyone else with a particular interest in this feature that would be interested would be welcome as well 16:07:51 adrian-hoban: thanks 16:07:59 e.g. providers etc. 16:08:15 we kind of skipped right into this 16:08:17 but 16:08:20 #topic juno status 16:08:34 obviously we have hit feature freeze, i have seen the NUMA FFE request we just discussed 16:08:41 looks like one was also just filed for SR-IOV 16:08:56 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044923.html 16:09:00 yes, SR-IOV FFE got a positive reception in nova meeting too 16:09:11 #info SR-IOV FFE proposed and received positive reception in nova meeting 16:09:35 here now too 16:09:37 #info two cores so far signed up for SR-IOV FFE 16:10:03 That's good news 16:10:25 so, those are the two ones i can see already related to work this group has been tracking 16:10:42 does anyone from this group have plans to submit additional FFE requests? 16:10:58 danpb, sorry to go back - missed your comment about numa testing - so the issues were mostly due to me mentioning it in the email, and HP already kind of signed up to test it as well iiuc 16:11:24 nidpanov, i think it is probably necessary to confirm with Paul that was the intent of his email 16:11:32 we are not lookign for FFE for I/O (PCIe) Based NUMA Schedulin :( 16:11:37 it seemed somewhat unclear to me 16:11:48 sgordon_, hence my response 16:11:55 ack 16:12:06 jchapman, understoof 16:12:10 jchapman, is that because of the NUMA delay or? 16:12:25 nidpanov, that and no core dev reviews 16:12:36 jchapman, :( 16:12:45 I had my hands full 16:12:45 #info I/OC (PCIe) Based Numa Scheduling FFE not being requested due to issues with base NUMA functionality and lack of interested core sponsors 16:13:01 nidpanov, ye i guessed you guys were busy 16:13:09 realistically the only stuff that's going to get approved FFE is stuff that already had a +A and was in the gate at time of freeze 16:13:22 if that 16:13:22 lukego, is your accel data plane stuff going to make it? 16:13:22 yeah understood 16:13:30 so yeah, i'm afraid I/O PCI numa scheduling would loose on that count even if proposed 16:13:39 The I/O Numa scheduling will be re-targeted at Kilo now 16:13:46 yes 16:13:50 yep 16:14:01 cloudon: ‘fraid not. Neutron core asked me to develop it more out of tree first, and then Nova wouldn’t take the VIF until Neutron code is accepted. 16:14:04 hopefully the desire to come up with a way to preload designs for summit will go somewhere useful... 16:14:46 cloudon: at least within this NFV group those of us interested in userspace virtio-net seem to be on the same page and on track to share code going forward, which I think is the most important thing 16:14:51 lukego: shame - are you hopeful for Kilo? 16:15:00 sgordon_: yeah, at least we need to see what will be the new format for the Design Summit 16:15:51 soooo 16:15:57 one other thing i wanted to quickly mention 16:16:03 #topic other discussion 16:16:05 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044614.html 16:16:07 cloudon: I am hopeful but it does depend on the success of initiatives in Neutron and Nova to accommodate more drivers/features 16:16:23 lukego: understand - good luck 16:16:31 itai put together a very well thought out email on some of our current issues and attempting to frame discussion about where we go from here 16:16:45 cloudon: on the list we also discuss the possibility of sharing a mech driver instead of having a separate snabb vs. ovdk vs. etc ones, which I suspect would resolve the Neutron core concerns (which are roughly “too many drivers”) 16:16:47 i havent had a chance to fully consider and respond yet but i would encourage others to also review 16:17:39 sgordon: +1 - on first read looked very sensible 16:18:06 +1 on that note. Nicely written Itai 16:19:02 does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss this week? i would probably prefer to close down asap and let those dealing with FFE items get back to it 16:19:14 Itai: One thing to consider is the focus on the wiki... I think we need to broaden horizons in getting the info you suggest out to the community. 16:19:20 and discuss some of the medium to long term issues/goals starting next week 16:19:32 incl. kilo planning 16:19:58 even the wiki needs to be broken up and organized a little imo 16:20:35 sgordon: quick question on Paris summit - see you +adrian-hoban are giving a telco strategies track talk on this group - congrats on getting selected & what's your plan/do you need further stuff from this group? 16:20:54 cloudon, good question - we're not really sure yet :) 16:21:22 cloudon, the idea we had discussed was to try and present some use cases, what's there today, and more importantly what's not 16:21:29 sgordon: lucky you have two months then :) 16:21:39 but we will be trying to flesh out further 16:21:58 obviously wrt juno we made some progress but not as much as we would like 16:22:21 which is obviously not ideal but also provides us with some good examples of solid proposals that exist but ultimately did not get implemented 16:23:54 sgordon: cool - if you want any help on use cases etc. am happy to assist 16:24:50 cloudon: Thanks! Also, alank co-presenting too. 16:26:05 sgordon_: do you think we should try to promote NFV work to developers too ? 16:26:19 bauzas, of course - but that is a challenging thing 16:26:24 sgordon_: I'm also concerned about the coding and reviewing bandwidth 16:26:37 bauzas, design summit proposals need to be framed around specific goals 16:26:53 bauzas, yes - in the context of nova i expect that to be a hot topic in general 16:26:58 bauzas, not an nfv specific issue 16:27:12 sgordon_: lemme check if it's in the nova priorities for the summit 16:27:21 (contributors interested in nfv need to contribute to this discussion to help the project move forward though or we're all in the log jam togetjer) 16:27:36 sgordon_: there is an etherpad and I don't remember having seen the NFV stuff to be debated 16:28:09 there 16:28:22 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-summit-topics Proposals for Nova Kilo Summit 16:28:48 sgordon_: can't see NFV in there ^ 16:28:59 bauzas, this is the thing though 16:29:09 bauzas, proposing "let's talk about nfv" in there will get nacked 16:29:18 bauzas, needs to be about specific issues or proposals 16:29:19 I don't know for Neutron but I assume there will be the same etherpad 16:29:25 so for instance wrt ci 16:29:28 sgordon_: indeed 16:29:33 newer libvirt versions is probably relevant for nfv 16:29:40 sgordon_: but can't see a related topic to that either 16:29:43 (esp since some of the nfv features are now getting push back on testing) 16:29:49 related to what? 16:29:58 related to the nfv usecases 16:30:02 scheduler split in there is another one 16:30:38 bauzas, so the backstory here is there were several such proposals for atlanta 16:30:56 all were rejected with clear guidance that sessions need to have a very specific goals/proposals 16:31:02 got it 16:31:10 resource tracker seems to be covered 16:31:31 getting time allocated generically to NFV in the track will be very difficult, similar for HPC or other user story type things 16:31:37 I just want to make sure that the next Juno developments will be covered and agreed there :) 16:31:38 adrian-hoban, right 16:31:54 key is to focus on what we specifically want to achieve for kilo 16:32:01 and ensure where necessary that is covered in there 16:32:11 the scheduler / RT / ERT discussion is a great example 16:32:12 also note that if you propose a topic for a session 16:32:16 +1 - and I just add: make sure it's covered in the design talks 16:32:20 Is there a deadline on getting items into the lists? 16:32:21 as a lot of features are running into issues on that front 16:32:35 it will be expected that the topic has already had a spec proposed or some other detailed discussions or write up 16:32:56 they're very unlikely to approve sessions for topics where this is the first time anyone has heard of the topic 16:33:01 sgordon_: the scheduler/RT thing will probably be highly debated, don't know if we will have time to cover extra things in there 16:33:14 danpb: +1 16:33:37 danpb: Ok, but is there an order in which things need to happen? E.g. add to the list, release bp? 16:33:50 the goal is that the sessions will focus on resolving actual problems that need f2f time 16:33:59 rather than just presenting new ideas 16:34:50 also i hope there will be more unscheduled time for ad-hoc discussions which will be an avenue to bring up any other items which are relevant 16:35:20 danpb: Is this a living doc for the next few weeks? Perhaps up until the bp submission window closes? 16:35:27 adrian-hoban, let me see if i can find mikal's email 16:36:48 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/044196.html 16:36:53 no date afaict 16:37:17 let me bump the thread now and ask that question... 16:37:34 sgordon: Thx 16:38:52 im going to close up the meeting for now 16:38:56 thanks all for the discussion 16:39:11 let's see what michael says wrt that list and when it is going to be finalized 16:39:14 sgordon_: thanks 16:39:27 i expect it will be a while yet while the dust settles on j-3 and the first RCs but we will see 16:39:30 #endmeeting