21:01:04 <vishy> #startmeeting nova
21:01:05 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Jan 10 21:01:04 2013 UTC.  The chair is vishy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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21:01:08 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'nova'
21:01:14 <russellb> hi!
21:01:20 <vishy> #chair russellb
21:01:21 <openstack> Current chairs: russellb vishy
21:01:43 <vishy> we don't really have anything on the agenda
21:01:45 <russellb> #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova
21:01:49 <vishy> :)
21:01:55 <russellb> heh, yeah.
21:01:59 <roaet> thanks for the blueprint approval!
21:02:03 <russellb> I guess we can talk about bugs for a moment
21:02:10 <vishy> russellb: sounds good
21:02:17 <vishy> #topic bugs
21:02:17 <russellb> #link http://webnumbr.com/untouched-nova-bugs
21:02:26 <russellb> untouched bugs is up to 48
21:02:32 <russellb> creeped up over the holidays, not surprising
21:02:54 <russellb> so, just need some folks to put that back on their weekly to-do to help triage a few
21:03:29 <russellb> that's pretty much all i wanted to point out ...
21:04:35 <russellb> any other bug discussion?
21:04:42 <jog0> russellb: yeah
21:04:53 <jog0> was hoping to get https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1075716 backported to Folsom
21:04:54 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1075716 in nova "Soft delete does update quotas correctly" [Undecided,Fix released]
21:05:11 <russellb> have you proposed it?
21:05:14 <jog0> as its user facing bug that is easy to hit in production.
21:05:32 <jog0> russellb: working on it now, its not a completely trivial backport though
21:05:35 <russellb> i don't think you need to wait for someone else to backport it if it's important to ou
21:05:37 <russellb> gotcha
21:06:05 <jog0> if johannes or someone else  who worked on quota is around, help would be appreceated
21:06:30 <russellb> so, want me to target to folsom and assign to you?
21:06:36 <jog0> russellb: sure
21:07:33 <russellb> jog0: k done
21:07:41 <jog0> russellb: thanks
21:08:43 <russellb> I guess another bug note ... since we're now in the grizzly-3 cycle, we should definitely be watching out for bugs that we want to make sure get fixed in grizzly (and target them to grizzly-3 for now?)
21:09:15 <russellb> need to start narrowing in on what the final release is going to look like
21:09:19 <westmaas> comstud: do you remember anyone else that looked at quotas?
21:10:59 <russellb> any other bug discussion?
21:11:39 <russellb> ok then.
21:11:43 <russellb> #topic grizzly-3
21:12:03 <russellb> grizzly-3 is Feb 21, that'll be here faster than we think :)
21:12:09 <russellb> that's also feature freeze, in theory
21:12:26 <russellb> we have way more blueprints than will get done, realistically ... https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/grizzly-3
21:12:33 <russellb> if you have cycles, take a look for something to volunteer for
21:12:37 <dims> russellb, so only bugs after 21st?
21:12:49 <russellb> dims: that's the idea, only bugs without an exception
21:13:06 <dims> k
21:13:10 <russellb> you can ask for a feature freeze exception, but don't count on it
21:13:26 <russellb> especially with  nova, we'll be busy enough with bugs that overloading ourselves with feature exceptions isn't ideal
21:14:01 <dims> understood
21:14:24 <russellb> looks like all blueprints are assigned, technically
21:14:37 <russellb> but if something looks interesting, don't hestitate to contact whoever is assigned and offer to help
21:14:54 <russellb> i guess that's it on that ...
21:15:06 <russellb> #topic Open Discussion
21:15:31 <russellb> So, I feel like attendance has been kind of light to this meeting in general ...
21:16:06 <russellb> is there something we can be doing to make this more useful?
21:16:30 <russellb> would like to encourage more attendance and participation.
21:16:50 <jog0> add a meeting reminder to the ML
21:16:50 <vishy> russellb: seems like there is more early in the cycle
21:16:57 <vishy> russellb: while we are planning things out
21:17:04 <russellb> yeah, true.
21:17:24 <mikal> Also, I'm here, I just haven't had anything to say
21:17:26 <russellb> jog0: yeah, I usually send one.  I didn't today (and attendence seems lighter than usual, too)
21:17:26 <vishy> seems like now it is mostly implementation and reviews
21:17:39 <dims> and asking for reviews :)
21:18:05 <vishy> 45 blueprints in g-3 seems totally reasonable :)
21:18:13 <russellb> cool, well, i'm happy to put in work outside of the meeting if there's something i can do to make it more useful, happy to hear ideas if anyone has them at some point
21:18:23 <russellb> vishy: really?
21:18:32 <russellb> sarcasm is hard to detect on IRC, heh.
21:18:35 * vishy is dripping with sarcasm
21:18:37 <guitarzan> smell the sarcasm!
21:18:41 <russellb> excellent.
21:19:04 <russellb> well I guess as long as everyone is aware of the deadline
21:19:12 <vishy> this looks interesting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18462/
21:19:15 <russellb> and for the love of (*&#$(#@, please don't show up with a massive patch 2 days before the deadline
21:19:20 <russellb> we had multiple instances of that with folsom
21:19:30 <vishy> i keep missing stuff since i turned off my notification of every single commit
21:19:34 <beagles> define massive ;)
21:19:48 <russellb> beagles: thousands of lines
21:20:08 <russellb> i can haz merge?
21:20:23 <beagles> ugh
21:20:25 <russellb> i know you have 100 other open reviews and i just dropped this, but  ...
21:21:10 * russellb reads about utilization-based-scheduling
21:21:30 <dims> as a new comer, i end up staring at reviews of my patches to see if there was any movement, i am slowly learning to peel my eyes away from them. any tips?
21:21:48 <comstud> whoops
21:22:00 <russellb> comstud: ;)
21:22:15 <rmk> dims: I'd say it's fair to expect to have to wait a bit but also fair to ping people for reviews if it sits too long
21:22:22 <comstud> time flies when fixing bugs
21:22:23 <westmaas> comstud highlights on (*&#$(#@
21:22:31 <comstud> lol
21:22:38 <rmk> It's not as glamorous to review which is why they take along time, everyone prefers to write new code :)
21:22:52 <dims> :)
21:22:55 <russellb> sometimes i prefer to review, oddly
21:23:12 <russellb> though i haven't been reviewing as much as usual lately ... need to kick it back up
21:23:43 <vishy> dims: also is useful to ping people that you know will be interested
21:23:59 <rmk> Or always ping vish like I do
21:24:03 <rmk> jk
21:24:08 <russellb> rmk: nice.
21:24:12 <vishy> like if they touched the code around where you are editing
21:24:12 <dims> vishy, right. i am trying to get to know folks :)
21:24:58 <rmk> I like the idea of utilization based scheduling
21:25:02 <rmk> We have related problems to solve
21:25:31 <rmk> Say you're using utilization based but have a bunch of suspended VMs all over the place.. we never reschedule
21:26:20 * dims says thanks for the tips
21:26:39 <russellb> an interesting thing to add to the scheduling mix for sure
21:27:08 <russellb> i like it
21:27:13 <rmk> nods
21:27:33 <russellb> welp ... anything else for open discussion?  reviews anyone wants to plug?
21:27:46 <russellb> light meeting today.
21:27:58 <russellb> who wants to help comstud get the rest of cells in?
21:27:59 <russellb> :)
21:28:08 <rmk> I haven't looked closely at this patch but how much historical utilization data does it take into account?
21:28:18 <rmk> is it just a point-in-time utilization snapshot?
21:28:55 <rmk> At first glance it looks like it is
21:29:37 <russellb> nah, it has a window of samples
21:29:52 <russellb> see AveragingProfiler in the compute resource_tracker
21:30:18 <comstud> everyone wants to help me
21:30:22 <comstud> right!?
21:30:40 <comstud> technically there's still more I don't have up for review yet ;)
21:30:57 <russellb> heh, ok but seriously, grizzly-3, we have *got* to have it all in
21:31:03 <russellb> comstud: start raging at people to review
21:31:19 * russellb should review the rest i guess
21:31:31 <comstud> russellb: yeah, i rage at you first.
21:31:41 <comstud> ()!*$()!@*$
21:31:43 <russellb> rmk: i see that it's keeping 10 samples by default, but not sure how often that is
21:32:17 <rmk> interesting
21:35:21 <sdague> comstud: is there going to be a new rev of cells for devstack?
21:35:49 <russellb> rmk: every run of periodic tasks, so roughly once a minute
21:35:57 <comstud> sdague: not sure, i wasn't the one working on it
21:36:04 <comstud> i assume the answer is yes at some point here
21:36:24 <russellb> rmk: took me a while to dig for that, heh
21:36:54 <alaski> I wrote the first version of cells on devstack.  I haven't looked into what's changed with cells recently but I can work on getting together an update
21:37:08 <rmk> russellb: cool thanks..
21:37:10 <russellb> doesn't seem like the usage has changed, really
21:37:14 <rmk> Going to look at this some more
21:37:19 <russellb> rmk: cool :)
21:37:36 <russellb> comstud cleaned up the code, but didn't seem like the config and such changed, so hopefully it just still works
21:37:39 <comstud> alaski: shouldn't be much externally.. except the API extension
21:38:04 * dansmith staggers in
21:38:37 <devananda> anyone want to poke at 19077, adding a REST API for baremetal?
21:38:42 <russellb> dansmith: slacker!
21:38:46 <russellb> dansmith: jk <3
21:38:48 <alaski> cool, I'll test it out and update if necessary.  And push up a review at some point.
21:39:12 <dansmith> russellb: my lotus notes calendar doesn't understand UTC, so I correct in my head.. and lost track today :D
21:39:30 <russellb> zomg time zones
21:41:49 <russellb> dansmith: not sure how much you saw in #openstack-nova ... i started an rpc based servicegroup driver, but realized there's still a lot of direct service db access scattered around, so it's going to be more difficult than i thought
21:42:12 <dansmith> russellb: yeah, not surprised.. like the thing comstud is working on right now
21:42:12 <russellb> dansmith: i may just do a conductor db proxy approach as the first pass like we did everything else ...
21:42:21 <dansmith> russellb: okay
21:42:56 <dansmith> I've been trying to start digging into finding some of those hidden dragons for two days, but keep getting distracted
21:43:08 <russellb> all good, i know how it goes
21:43:44 <russellb> nova party at dansmith's house in April?  :-p
21:44:08 <dansmith> heh
21:44:30 <russellb> never been to portland, so looking forward to it
21:44:39 <comstud> dansmith: it seems silly to pass an insanely large message with full instance model when the DB only needs the uuid
21:44:48 <dansmith> I try to avoid it at all costs, so don't expect me to know my way around or anything :D
21:44:48 <comstud> dansmith: but I see other calls do this
21:44:55 <comstud> oops, wrong chan
21:44:59 <comstud> :)
21:45:02 <dansmith> heh
21:45:04 * comstud forgot we were having a meeting
21:45:08 <russellb> comstud: yeah we've been pretty much doing that everywhere
21:45:14 <russellb> comstud: well the meeting doesn't really have a topic right now
21:45:22 <russellb> it's like ... #openstack-nova ... but logged?
21:45:27 <comstud> haha
21:45:37 <russellb> i guess we can move back over :)
21:45:44 <russellb> any last meeting worthy topics?
21:46:08 <russellb> if you have any agenda requests, update the wiki before next week
21:46:18 <russellb> or ping me and i'll add it if you don't feel like it, heh
21:46:34 <russellb> kthxbye.
21:46:42 <russellb> #endmeeting