21:01:06 #startmeeting Nova 21:01:06 Meeting started Thu Aug 27 21:01:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:01:08 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:01:11 The meeting name has been set to 'nova' 21:01:16 o/ 21:01:18 o/ 21:01:20 hiya 21:01:23 \o 21:01:25 o/ 21:01:38 o/ 21:01:41 o/ 21:01:45 hi 21:02:10 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting 21:02:17 #topic Release Status 21:02:30 #info September 1st to 3rd: Liberty-3 and the mega freeze 21:02:39 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule 21:03:08 so next week we hit string freeze, dependency freeze, feature freeze, and all that jazz 21:03:36 and novaclient 2.27.0 release on 9/1 21:03:40 big question, fencing on Tues or Thur ? 21:03:41 #info mriedem is working on putting together a python-novaclient release on tuesday, let him know if there is something that must be in that 21:03:44 someone remind me early if i forget 21:04:03 bauzas: good question 21:04:11 bauzas: it generally depends on the gate 21:04:25 bauzas: we start tuesday, to ensure we release by thursday 21:04:33 we agree it's a soft deadline, just a l-3 tag ? 21:04:41 bauzas: this is a super hard one 21:04:58 our friends doing translations and docs need our help by sticking to the deadline 21:05:01 second-hardest of all 21:05:05 by 'soft' I meant about tagging or branching 21:05:13 oh, its tagging 21:05:17 we branch at RC 21:05:24 unless I missing something major 21:05:36 okay, was just checking 21:05:41 cools, its good to check 21:06:07 anyways, I am kinda winding a few things up already, you will have noticed a few cells ones get the the chop this afternoon 21:06:21 mostly stuff that was looking like a no hoper, in terms of merging 21:06:33 o/ 21:06:40 I vote we talk in next weeks meeting about the exception process 21:06:46 +1 21:06:54 anyways, any more questions? 21:07:09 we can always cover those in Open 21:07:13 #topic Bugs 21:07:46 mriedem: I think you had some gate patches earlier, any more to cover here? 21:07:56 graph looks good on http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html#1487570 21:08:09 so i don't know of any critical nova-specific gate bugs right now 21:08:17 so at some point very soon, we need to start looking about for release blockers 21:08:32 looks like cells is impacted by https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1489581 21:08:34 Launchpad bug 1489581 in tempest "test_create_ebs_image_and_check_boot is race failing" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Andrey Pavlov (apavlov-e) 21:08:37 yup 21:08:39 as are most things 21:08:45 there is a patch up in tempest to fix that though 21:08:56 i added nova to that bug since it seems we could do some validation/wait logic in nova in that case 21:09:12 not high priority though 21:09:43 would be a good time for subteams to raise up high priority bugs for them before l-3 21:09:53 like, in the etherpad, not here 21:10:05 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Guide#Special_actions_between_Feature_freeze_and_RC1 21:10:09 mriedem: very very good point 21:10:25 I vote we keep using this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking 21:10:41 before l-3 seems a bit short, I was planning to focus on bugs during RC1 21:10:50 bauzas: rc1 is too late 21:10:50 #help please raise up high priority (possibly release blocking) bugs in the appropriate subteam in here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking 21:10:55 rc bugs are stopship 21:11:02 yeah 21:11:21 bauzas: this last cycle was bug fixing time, hence the kicking out of the blueprints really 21:12:04 okay, I thought FF was the best period for focusing on bugs, if not then l-3 ? 21:12:17 yeah **-3 is a great time for bugs 21:12:23 between L3 and RC1 21:12:32 dansmith: that ^ 21:12:39 you said "during RC1" 21:12:42 yeah, bugs only for now 21:12:43 dansmith: when I say RC1, I mean the FF period 21:12:47 ah 21:12:49 which we interpreted as "between RC1 and RC2" I think 21:12:57 yeah 21:12:59 confusion 21:13:02 * bauzas has to learn more than just English 21:13:05 anyways bugs fixes now 21:13:15 go go bug fixes 21:13:24 ideally ones people care about 21:13:43 we should move on I guess 21:13:54 #topic Open Discussion 21:14:06 so I skipped stuck reviews and regular reminders 21:14:15 because there are none, and we covered the reminders already 21:14:19 yay 21:14:31 * dansmith cues the "wrap it up music" 21:14:35 I dumped some random stuff in here, but should be quick 21:14:40 dansmith: heh 21:14:47 so summit session slots 21:14:54 we have to submit our requests 21:15:10 I think we wanted the same as last time? if I remember the wrap up session correctly? 21:15:13 keep in mind that i think cinder was interested in a cross-project session 21:15:23 thingee: ^ 21:15:39 friday meetup is always popular 21:15:42 mriedem: yeah, good point, I think we can do that like the neutron one, I should ask ttx about the scheduling on that 21:15:54 yeah, friday meet up is solid 21:15:55 thursday afternoon priorities 21:16:13 how do you plan on getting suggestions for topics and filtering that soonish? 21:16:21 yes, cinder is interested in a cross-project session 21:16:32 to discuss changes in Cinder-Nova API 21:16:33 I think the bar for those sessions is high 21:16:39 mriedem: I think thats later on 21:16:53 yeah, I think its more likely to be a nova sessions, thats tagged also as cinder 21:16:53 i'm just asking, i wont' be there so it doesn't really matter ot me 21:17:04 cross project told me, "more than two projects" 21:17:08 which was totally fair 21:17:09 yeah 21:17:10 orly 21:17:18 mriedem: :'( 21:17:21 i guess that makes sense 21:17:23 we plan on having a cross project session for nova neutron 21:17:40 even if to just recap work since Vancouver 21:17:44 ? 21:17:51 was there progress since YVR? 21:17:57 * mriedem pokes 21:18:01 so we should back up a little 21:18:09 there are going to be tones of sessions 21:18:11 I think that getting another one for nova-neutron will probably be hard 21:18:16 the question is, room formats 21:18:28 fishbowls? 21:18:30 dansmith: yeah, they will not let us do another cross project on that 21:18:32 yeah 21:18:34 johnthetubaguy: sounds like "same as last time" 21:18:42 dansmith: yeah I am +1 that 21:18:45 mriedem: yes there was :/ 21:18:46 johnthetubaguy: who wont? 21:18:57 mriedem: they 21:18:59 mriedem: the cross project folks (TC?) 21:19:04 f them 21:19:27 are they actually working on the projects? if not, why do they have a say? 21:19:29 yeah it is a tc sub committee who decides cross project sessions, from those proposed 21:19:32 mriedem: I figure we just use one of our sessions, and invite our neutron folks to join, but we can work that out 21:19:39 sure 21:19:41 bend the rules 21:19:49 or friday meetup 21:19:51 mriedem: yeah, we can do what we like with "Nova" time 21:19:54 johnthetubaguy: if we need one, yeah 21:20:00 we can propose a cross project session and have a back up plan 21:20:04 dansmith: right, thats the other question 21:20:12 anteaya: yeah, that worked last time 21:20:16 anyways 21:20:18 cross project: nova + neutron + nfv + containers + ansible 21:20:19 done 21:20:22 we are good with no work rooms 21:20:38 * johnthetubaguy cuts and pastes the title from mriedem 21:20:50 TBH, I'm surprised we're even having this shindig, given that mriedem isn't coming 21:20:57 what? 21:20:59 i know 21:21:00 seriously 21:21:01 johnthetubaguy: I don't think we'll have anything we can meaningfully do in an hour 21:21:10 johnthetubaguy: so I'd say no workrooms 21:21:19 tonyb: I certainly lean that way 21:21:22 +1 21:21:27 leave those for the people that actually do work 21:21:38 workrooms != design sessions right? 21:21:49 I like the "make it really hard to use your laptop" rooms, it stimulates conversation 21:21:50 workroom == "hackathon" 21:21:51 mriedem: correct 21:21:57 it has tables 21:22:03 and new for this time, a LCD screen 21:22:08 mriedem: You get ~1hour to "knock something out" 21:22:13 sorry, I think it is "boardroom style" 21:22:21 mriedem: they work well but only for small tightly defined things 21:22:24 tonyb: it might actually be 45 mins, but thats splitting hairs 21:22:26 ie not nova :D 21:22:34 dansmith is going to lose it if we don't move on 21:22:40 yeah 21:22:43 me too 21:22:44 johnthetubaguy: I said ~(approx)1hour :) 21:22:45 * dansmith hovers over the play button 21:22:59 so I am voting same as next time 21:23:03 cool, lets see if that works 21:23:09 its a small venue 21:23:17 user survey 21:23:21 there is a new one 21:23:30 let me know if there are questions you want it that 21:23:42 and I can pass that along to foundation folks organising that 21:23:54 except I should have told them on tuesday, so make it quick 21:24:00 one more thing, just to annoy people 21:24:05 Product management working group 21:24:10 I am actually talking to them 21:24:15 we are getting a CPL 21:24:25 oh boy 21:24:26 suits 21:24:36 he seems nice though, he used to code 21:24:46 oh dear 21:24:47 fortran 21:24:49 CPL? 21:24:49 (if its the person I think it is) 21:24:52 for the space program 21:24:59 CPL = cross project liason 21:25:05 Ah 21:25:08 (apparently, although with better spelling) 21:25:11 what's the goal of that ? 21:25:19 to liase! 21:25:22 between projects! 21:25:24 bauzas: so I have one goal, they have another 21:25:25 3. Profit! 21:25:27 bauzas: to tell you to prioritize NFV + containers + neutron + ansible 21:25:43 I want them to give folks more permission to work on priorities 21:25:59 folks more permission? 21:26:02 I am working with them to convince your product managers that you should fix the things that need fixing 21:26:02 what folks? 21:26:09 ah thanks 21:26:20 anteaya: having people helping peons like us 21:26:26 I hope to keep them busy thinking about that 21:26:27 I'm for that 21:26:41 so they don't dream up any crazy feature requests, but lets see how that goes 21:26:58 anyways, its a thing, I am hoping they will actually be able to help 21:27:21 they already what to add state features to comply with legal requirements for getting user data 21:27:37 it is on the large deployments etherpad from the ops meetup 21:27:44 * dansmith feels like we're done here 21:27:56 Can I ask about Juno? 21:27:59 yeah, so if you are interested in all that 21:28:06 then get in touch 21:28:14 dansmith: you can ignore me if you like I wont mind 21:28:15 tonyb: in a troll way, or a real way? 21:28:24 johnthetubaguy: a real way sorry 21:28:24 * alaski wanders in late 21:28:41 tonyb: OK, 2 mins 21:28:49 so devstack in juno is broken mriedem and I have been trying to fix it 21:28:58 tonyb: the swiftclient 2.3.2 release will be out today 21:28:59 it's slow going and is gettign bigger 21:29:08 tonyb: stable maint isn't just a nova problem 21:29:08 mriedem: \o/ 21:29:32 mriedem: Sure but how much effort do we want to go to giebn juno will EOL in nov? 21:29:32 do we not run stable branch tests reguarly? 21:29:45 stable branch is tested in a nightly periodic job 21:29:47 like more often than when we get the odd patch 21:29:55 results are posted to the stable ML 21:29:57 mriedem: ah, does anyone watch that? 21:29:59 mriedem: it's goign to touch lots of projects if things keep going the way they are .... 21:30:00 it's up to humans to read those 21:30:05 ah, right 21:30:12 i don't know exactly when stable/juno is EOL 21:30:24 we just recently EOL'ed stable/icehouse, so i wouldn't think juno is EOL until sometime in mitaka 21:30:31 can we just wait until it is EOL? :) 21:30:36 mriedem: (early) Nov from the wiki 21:30:49 I can totally make excuses for two months 21:30:54 right, is there a problem? 21:30:58 a *new* problem? 21:31:07 stable will be kind of a mess until stable/liberty due to the reqs caps issue 21:31:17 dansmith: running out the clock on stable is my normal attitude 21:31:22 +1 21:31:22 until then it's biz as usual with a handful of people maintaining it 21:31:23 but there is someone who always complains about it 21:31:30 like me :) 21:31:33 yep 21:31:36 mriedem: Nothing new just the fallout from the swiftclient thing 21:31:47 yeah, so that's fine 21:31:48 mriedem: you actually do both though right? I am cool with that 21:31:55 OK, cool 21:31:58 so we are done I think 21:31:59 mriedem: but with L3 coming up dhellmann is asking to pause on the stable releases and EOL etc 21:32:01 tonyb: just go back through the stable rant history in the ML 21:32:02 :) 21:32:16 i haven't seen requests to EOL early 21:32:21 * med_ hears about a swiftclient stable thing and quakes in his boots. 21:32:35 med_: purely for our gate testing 21:32:47 mriedem: that's just because I haven't had to look at it in a month or 2 21:32:57 med_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-swiftclient/+bug/1486576 21:32:58 Launchpad bug 1486576 in python-swiftclient "version 2.3.1 on stable/juno has uncapped futures which breaks dep resolution with capped taskflow" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) 21:32:58 anyway, we can take this offline 21:32:59 plus i'm leaving 21:33:03 talking of clocks... 21:33:11 mriedem: leaving? 21:33:13 mriedem, tonyb tx. 21:33:16 like, work 21:33:17 i'm leaving work 21:33:23 :) 21:33:29 not nova 21:33:32 not pulling a jogo 21:33:36 * dansmith smashes the button on the wrap-it-up music player 21:33:36 lol 21:33:38 lol 21:33:44 thanks all 21:33:46 enjoy the music 21:33:49 #endmeeting