20:59:52 <mriedem> #startmeeting nova
20:59:52 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Oct 13 20:59:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:59:56 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'nova'
21:00:11 <mriedem> hi who's here?
21:00:13 <takashin> o/
21:00:16 <melwitt> o/
21:00:17 <mikal> Not me
21:00:26 <mriedem> mikal: you're here, just not your pants
21:00:31 <edleafe> \o
21:00:33 <thorst> o/
21:00:37 <diana_clarke> o/
21:00:41 <raj_singh> o/
21:00:42 <mikal> mriedem: I am glad we've minuted the state of my pants
21:00:46 <mriedem> :)
21:01:12 <dansmith> o/
21:01:50 <alaski> o/
21:02:00 <dtp> o/
21:02:04 <jroll> \o
21:02:08 <mriedem> alright let's do this
21:02:14 <mriedem> #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting
21:02:22 <mriedem> #topic release news
21:02:27 <auggy> o/
21:02:31 <mriedem> #link Draft Ocata release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Ocata_Release_Schedule
21:02:39 <mriedem> that's basically it for release news
21:02:45 <mriedem> lots of spec reviewing going on
21:02:55 <mriedem> #topic Summit planning
21:03:06 <mriedem> #link Nova Ocata design summit schedule: https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Nova%3A
21:03:15 <mriedem> #link Questions for ops folks welcome for the Nova & Ops: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-nova
21:03:23 <mriedem> johnthetubaguy is running ^
21:03:36 <mriedem> #info Topic change: https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16977/
21:03:49 <mriedem> ^ i posted to the dev list on that as well, swapped the docs session for security
21:03:51 <auggy> Real Live johnthetubaguy !
21:04:05 <mikal> Your schedule line includes a lot of not-designs-summit stuff
21:04:06 <mriedem> i see the john hopkins guys aren't around
21:04:09 <mikal> Like vBrownBags
21:04:32 <mriedem> looks fine to me
21:04:40 <mriedem> maybe it's your aussy browser
21:05:03 <mikal> Huh, refreshing fixed it
21:05:04 <mikal> Ignore me
21:05:07 <mriedem> ok
21:05:23 <mriedem> i was going to say, the results with and without the colon are very different
21:05:36 <mriedem> #help If you are chairing a session please work on getting your agenda written in the session etherpad: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Ocata/Etherpads#Nova
21:05:42 <mikal> Oh, that's probably it
21:05:58 <mriedem> that means alaski dansmith jaypipes johnthetubaguy et al ^
21:06:05 <dansmith> yessir
21:06:14 <mriedem> questions about the summit?
21:06:26 <mriedem> #topic bugs
21:06:30 <mriedem> there are no critical bugs
21:06:49 <mriedem> quite a few new untriaged bugs though
21:07:22 <mriedem> gate status is mostly ok
21:07:40 <mriedem> the newest thing is http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html#1630664
21:07:44 <mriedem> which is after TLS was turned on
21:07:50 <mriedem> we have random connection failures talking to neutron
21:08:07 <mriedem> there is a patch in ksa to be released which should give more details on what the actual failures are
21:08:20 <mriedem> credit to dansmith and sdague for fixing that
21:08:35 <mriedem> 3rd party ci status
21:08:38 <mriedem> vmware has had issues
21:08:46 <mriedem> i turned off voting once this week
21:08:54 <mriedem> some tests were randomly failing again today
21:09:07 <mriedem> and there are no vmware people in here to give any details on what the issues are
21:09:49 <mriedem> so i'll be pushing the change to drop the vmware driver after the meeting
21:10:04 <mriedem> ...
21:10:14 * dansmith looks around the room
21:10:17 <mriedem> ha
21:10:20 <mriedem> i'm joking about that one
21:10:28 <mriedem> but really expected some response
21:10:34 <mtreinish> mriedem: do it
21:10:38 <melwitt> I chuckled
21:10:39 <mikal> We were all waiting...
21:10:42 <mikal> ...but it never happened
21:10:47 <mriedem> mtreinish: oh of course you show up
21:10:53 <mikal> Wait for the media to run articles about it I suppose?
21:11:05 <mriedem> i'm not on twitter so i wouldn't care
21:11:11 <mriedem> #topic stable branch status
21:11:20 <mriedem> #info stable/newton 14.0.1 was released this week
21:11:29 <mriedem> #info stable/mitaka goes to phase 2 and stable/liberty goes to phase 3 support tomorrow: http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html#support-phases
21:12:04 <mriedem> lyarwood has been active on propsing and reviewing backports, so there are things out there
21:12:08 <mriedem> *proposing
21:12:42 <mriedem> #topic subteam highlights
21:12:46 <mriedem> alaski: cells v2 meeting?
21:13:03 <mriedem> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381275/ came up
21:13:05 <mriedem> has a +2
21:13:10 <mriedem> i just forgot to get back on it
21:13:10 <alaski> not much to report, just that spec series
21:13:20 <mriedem> ok
21:13:36 <mriedem> edleafe: scheduler meeting?
21:13:48 <edleafe> sorry, on a call
21:13:58 <mriedem> i know the scheduler guys have been very quiet in channel the last 2 days
21:14:10 <dansmith> *rimshot*
21:14:15 <mriedem> thanks
21:14:29 <mikal> Heh
21:14:31 <mriedem> ok tdurakov gave me the live migration meeting highlights before the meeting
21:14:35 <mriedem> CI (grenade job for live migration testing is in progress)
21:14:46 <mriedem> ^ the job actually exists for grenade + live migration,
21:15:00 <mriedem> the changes are for running live migration old <> new nodes back and forth in that job
21:15:07 <mriedem> with a tempest change from raj_singh
21:15:09 <mriedem> i'm +1 on the series
21:15:20 <mriedem> just need to grease some QA palms
21:15:33 <mriedem> Bugs (markus_z brought up the change for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275801/ - johnthetubaguy to help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1566622 )
21:15:33 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1566622 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live migration fails with xenapi virt driver and SRs with old-style naming convention" [High,Confirmed]
21:15:55 <mriedem> Open discussions (backward compatability during upgrades on hypervisors layer)
21:16:02 <mriedem> i'm not really sure what ^ means
21:16:35 <mriedem> but, that's part of what the live migratoin + grenade back and forth stuff is for testing
21:16:47 <mriedem> sdague: alex_xu_: api subteam meeting highlights?
21:16:57 <edleafe> mriedem: sorry about that. The gist of the scheduler meeting was getting jaypipes to focus on code and not so much on specs
21:17:24 <edleafe> the rest was on dividing the work on the placement API changes
21:17:30 <mriedem> ok
21:17:40 <mriedem> the api meeting was mostly about topics for the API session at the summit
21:17:41 <edleafe> which led the aforementioned quiet in the channel
21:17:56 <mriedem> alex_xu has an etherpad with some of that info
21:18:15 <mriedem> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova_api_ocata_ideas
21:18:36 <mriedem> there was no sriov/pci meeting this week
21:18:41 <mriedem> gibi: notifications meeting?
21:19:06 <mriedem> there are changes https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/versioned-notification-transformation-ocata
21:19:10 <mriedem> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/versioned-notification-transformation-ocata
21:19:26 <mriedem> there are also a few specs related to new notifications
21:19:32 <mriedem> several around compute node / host metrics
21:19:41 <mriedem> which i've nacked
21:19:50 <mriedem> #topic stuck reviews
21:19:59 <mriedem> nothing in the agenda - anyone need to pounce on this?
21:20:18 <mriedem> #topic open discussion
21:20:32 <mriedem> (jroll): Ironic portgroups BP, can we approve or does it need a spec? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ironic-portgroups-support
21:20:37 <jroll> ohai
21:20:42 <mriedem> jroll: so at one point there was a spec for that
21:20:49 <mriedem> munged with the tenant networking spec
21:20:52 <jroll> yeah, so this was split out from the general networking stuff
21:21:03 * jaypipes is here... mostly.
21:21:30 <jroll> we dropped the bonding things from that spec
21:22:08 <jroll> that said, we'll need to update instance metadata to get the bond configs into the configdrive / metadata api
21:22:08 <mriedem> #link ironic port groups support POC https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206163/
21:22:13 <jroll> so I could see some bikeshedding there
21:22:30 <mriedem> yeah so that poc doesn't have any of the metadata stuff right?
21:22:35 <jroll> right
21:22:38 <jroll> I think a poc for that exists
21:22:43 * jroll looks
21:22:47 <mikal> There are a few requests for new metadata things
21:22:58 <mikal> I was assuming we'd discuss those in the vendordata summit session
21:23:00 <mriedem> jroll: and duplicate things here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382438/
21:23:03 <mikal> But that session seems more... keystoney
21:23:31 <jroll> so here's a poc for doing the metadata in our driver, which doesn't solve metadata api https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289412/1/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py
21:23:52 <jroll> mriedem: that's some dynamic portgroups thing that mirantis keeps pushing on, which we are totally not ready for yet
21:23:58 <jroll> so ignore that pls
21:24:14 <mriedem> heh, tell them to slow down, you're not that kind of project
21:24:24 <dansmith> lol
21:24:28 <mriedem> so this doesn't sound trivial
21:24:33 <mriedem> or feature parity-ish
21:24:41 <mriedem> so i'm leaning toward spec city
21:24:43 <dansmith> or fun
21:24:46 <mriedem> or that
21:24:47 <jroll> yeah, we don't get a hypervisor to HA networks for us :(
21:24:49 <mriedem> any disagreements?
21:25:01 <mriedem> well whose fault is that?
21:25:08 * jroll points at deva
21:25:34 <mriedem> i'm also interested in the QA stuff which i know you mentioned in the bp whiteboard
21:25:42 <jroll> spec is fine with me, just wanted to be told so instead of assuming
21:25:42 <mriedem> sounds like new cloud-init required
21:25:57 <jroll> no, current cloud-init works
21:26:00 <mriedem> and you guys have a special ironic multi-tenant networking job right?
21:26:03 <jroll> cirros doesn't load the bonding kmod though
21:26:06 <mriedem> ah
21:26:15 <jroll> right, but this could be added to any job
21:26:21 <mriedem> so i was wondering if the updated cirros (when that happens) could be in that job to test this
21:26:24 <mriedem> oh
21:26:35 <mriedem> i guess we just update devstack for the cirros version to use, sure
21:26:40 <jroll> yeah
21:26:42 <mriedem> anyway, i think we agree on a spec
21:27:06 <jroll> yeah, the metadata bits sell it for me
21:27:31 <jroll> thanks
21:27:34 <mriedem> ok
21:27:42 <mriedem> (thorst / adreznec): Initial PowerVM Driver Integration BP proposed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381772/
21:27:48 <thorst> Hi all.  We have another blueprint up to propose the *initial* integration of the PowerVM driver in tree to nova.
21:27:54 <thorst> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381772/
21:28:00 <thorst> Intention is to do this over multiple releases to be cognizant of reviewer bandwidth.
21:28:07 <thorst> We’re asking for feedback on the blueprint, any requirements we haven’t considered, etc...
21:28:15 <thorst> We’ve also tee’d up a discussion for it at the unconference in Barcelona.
21:28:27 * mikal braces
21:28:33 <mriedem> i haven't gone through the whole spec, but the gist is,
21:28:44 <mriedem> start with a couple of minimum operations in tree
21:28:50 <mriedem> create/delete, start/stop, console
21:29:02 <mriedem> and work things in over time?
21:29:12 <thorst> exactly.  All picked from the out of tree driver
21:29:15 <adreznec> Yeah, that's essentially the plan
21:29:16 <thorst> we keep the two 'in sync'
21:29:29 <mriedem> which, is kind of how hyperv does new features btw
21:29:37 <mikal> So, I don't think we should debate this in detail now, but I'd like to understand how we hedge against IBM having yet another change of corporate direction
21:29:53 <mikal> So can we put that on the agenda for whenever we discuss this please?
21:30:04 <mriedem> yes it's in the unconference session
21:30:09 <dansmith> mikal: especially since there are like eight IBM hypervisors
21:30:09 <mikal> Cool
21:30:18 <dansmith> 3 z ones, two power ones
21:30:22 <dansmith> so only five I guess :)
21:30:23 <mriedem> 3 power ones
21:30:27 <thorst> 3?
21:30:30 <mriedem> you forgot powervc
21:30:37 <mikal> Standard exaggeration factor?
21:30:39 <mriedem> pkvm, powervc, powervm v2
21:30:42 <dansmith> yeah, so um.. great
21:31:10 <mikal> But yeah, let's not get side tracked here but I do want to be part of that conversation please
21:31:35 <thorst> sounds good.  Hoping for some feedback on spec before conference if possible, but we'll chat more at the unconference
21:31:44 <thorst> thanks!
21:31:47 <mriedem> sure, but before ammo'ing up to shoot them down at the summit, they've been working on this and attending things for 2 years now
21:31:57 <mikal> mriedem: you take the fun out of everything
21:32:07 <mikal> I think its about hedging
21:32:09 <mriedem> if it helps i -2ed the spec for the latest z driver yesterday
21:32:23 <mikal> For example, if we can get gating into infra, then that would ease my concerns at least a little (for example)
21:32:26 <mriedem> right, so part of the hedging thing is getting adoption and more people involved besides 3 guys at ibm
21:32:30 <mriedem> and ci
21:32:34 <mriedem> ci is a requirement
21:32:41 <mikal> _upstream_ ci
21:32:53 <mriedem> upstream doesn't ci vcenter?
21:32:54 <thorst> ci is up and running, but we don't vote per last mid cycle guidance (I think it was midcycle)
21:32:55 <mriedem> or hyperv
21:33:12 <mikal> mriedem: sure, those vendors don't have 8 hypervisors and indecisive VPs though
21:33:15 <mriedem> openstack-infra isn't going to host a power 8 system
21:33:15 <thorst> but runs against all nova patches - and its public config/logs are available
21:33:26 <dansmith> and people use those hypervisors for cloudy things
21:33:31 <mikal> Still don't want to side track this meeting
21:33:35 <mikal> Let's argue about this at the unconference
21:33:54 <mikal> I will take a look at the spec too because I am only partially a terrible person
21:34:03 <mriedem> fair enough, but i'd rather not argue about it every 3 months
21:34:21 <mriedem> powervm-just-the-tip is a decent starting course
21:34:25 <mriedem> b/c we go slow just like ironic
21:34:26 <mriedem> :)
21:34:36 <mriedem> anything else for open discussion?
21:34:56 <mriedem> ok, that's it then. thanks everyone.
21:34:58 <mriedem> #endmeeting