14:00:19 <efried> #startmeeting nova
14:00:23 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Oct 31 14:00:19 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is efried. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:00:27 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'nova'
14:00:30 <mriedem> o/
14:00:33 <dansmith> o/
14:01:40 <efried> #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting
14:03:33 <efried> #topic Last meeting
14:03:34 <efried> #link Minutes from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-10-24-21.00.html
14:03:55 <efried> was a short one, just me & mriedem, with a guest appearance by smcginnis. News from that encounter forthcoming.
14:04:02 <efried> #topic Release News
14:04:02 <efried> #link Nova Ussuri schedule https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Ussuri_Release_Schedule
14:04:02 <efried> #link Queens is em https://review.opendev.org/#/c/692142/
14:04:20 <efried> mriedem: anything to note on queens em?
14:04:49 <mriedem> it's done
14:05:06 <mriedem> there are open +2ed changes so we're still merging code,
14:05:08 <mriedem> but it won't be released
14:05:18 <efried> thanks
14:05:18 <efried> #topic Summit/PTG Planning
14:05:18 <efried> #link PTG etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-shanghai-ptg
14:05:18 <efried> #link Do PTG stuff virtually if appropriate http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-October/thread.html#10363
14:05:18 <efried> #link If you need cross-project sessions, put 'em on there http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-October/thread.html#10422
14:05:36 <efried> neither of you will be in Shanghai?
14:05:43 <mriedem> nope
14:06:23 <mriedem> i expect the barrage of product manager requirements getting translated to the cores that are there will be fun for them
14:06:39 <efried> "product manager"?
14:06:51 <mriedem> i suspect there will be a lot of non-developer people in the ptg rooms
14:07:31 <mriedem> e.g. "we have a customer that wants nova to make ice cream on demand and in a cron, should we write a spec?"
14:07:35 <efried> that might not be a terrible thing to have actual operators voicing requirements rather than the usual dev echo chamber of what we think the world needs.
14:07:43 <mriedem> i'm not talking about operators
14:07:45 <dansmith> hah
14:08:06 <efried> point taken.
14:08:13 <efried> Making ice cream would be cool
14:08:19 <efried> moving on.
14:08:23 <efried> #topic Stable branch status
14:08:23 <efried> #link stable/train: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/train
14:08:23 <efried> #link stable/stein: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/stein
14:08:23 <efried> #link stable/rocky: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/rocky
14:08:23 <efried> #link stable/queens: (will be removed) https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/queens
14:08:24 <mriedem> i should tell stephen to friend up with fred li and he can yell at people that are off track
14:09:10 <efried> mriedem: okay to stop tracking queens there --^ or should we keep watching until some number of the pending patches merge?
14:09:18 <mriedem> stop tracking it here
14:09:27 <efried> ack
14:09:28 <efried> #topic Bugs (stuck/critical)
14:09:28 <efried> No Critical bugs
14:09:28 <efried> #link 87 new untriaged bugs (+0 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New
14:09:28 <efried> #link 8 untagged untriaged bugs (-1 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW
14:10:01 <efried> #topic Gate status
14:10:01 <efried> #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html
14:10:01 <efried> #link 3rd party CI status http://ciwatch.mmedvede.net/project?project=nova
14:10:21 <efried> ahem, ^ seems dead again
14:10:32 <mriedem> the gate is f'ed
14:10:50 <mriedem> i've been rechecking the same changes for probably half a week
14:10:59 <dansmith> yeah, really bad
14:11:01 <efried> and it's not even feature freeze!
14:11:19 <mriedem> if you want some dumps,
14:11:24 <artom> mriedem, that tempst c-bak change is cursed
14:11:27 <mriedem> http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1763070 is spiked again for some unknown reason
14:11:37 <mriedem> http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1844929 is a huge fail rate with no end in sight
14:11:40 <mriedem> s/end/fix/
14:11:55 <mriedem> and there are a whole bunch of random cirros guest setup failures that cause ssh to fail
14:11:59 <mriedem> like http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1848078
14:12:02 <mriedem> http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1808010
14:12:10 <mriedem> http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1737039
14:12:15 <mriedem> http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1840355
14:12:32 <mriedem> http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1849857
14:12:41 <mriedem> the cirros guests are basically garbage right now
14:12:45 <mriedem> i don't know hy
14:12:46 <mriedem> *why
14:13:15 <mriedem> probably time for me or clarkb to write up a state of the gate email to the ML, i can do that after the meeting to raise the issue
14:13:23 <efried> thanks
14:14:00 <sean-k-mooney> i guess we should also hold off on recheck things that are not related to fixign the gate for a bit
14:14:09 <artom> g8 st8
14:14:13 <mriedem> if we do nothing will ever merge
14:14:17 <mriedem> no one is working on fixing gate bugs
14:14:45 <mriedem> disabling ssh in tempest api tests would get things flowing but that's not a good answer
14:14:59 <efried> yeah; I haven't seen a huge spike in rechecks lately for stuff I've been watching. More than usual, maybe a bit, but not more fails than successes like we had during ff.
14:15:31 <dansmith> feels like more fails than successes to me
14:15:41 <dansmith> maybe my patches are cursed
14:15:51 <dansmith> but it feels like it's almost at standstill
14:16:00 <mriedem> same
14:16:09 <sean-k-mooney> are most of the failure ssh/network related
14:16:15 <dansmith> no,
14:16:21 <dansmith> there are a lot that are kinda infra related
14:16:37 <mriedem> well, the cells db one is...idk
14:16:38 <dansmith> like the grenade database setup one, devstack timeouts waiting for something to happen
14:16:49 <dansmith> yum client mirrors is at the top
14:17:02 <mriedem> there are some known infra ones that get auto-rechecked by zuul i think
14:17:03 <efried> 7 nova patches merged overnight. I think I had rechecked maybe three of them?
14:17:06 <mriedem> clarkb would know details on that
14:17:14 <dansmith> pip fail
14:17:28 <mriedem> for the stuff i'm rechecking, it's not infra failures
14:17:36 <mriedem> it's grenade and guest/ssh fails
14:17:57 <dansmith> well, I'm lumping the grenade db setup thing in as infra
14:18:15 <dansmith> i.e. not a tempest test that is failing
14:18:26 <dansmith> anyway
14:18:28 <mriedem> well, it is triggered by a tempest smoke run after upgrade
14:18:31 <mriedem> n-sch times out
14:18:45 <mriedem> but yeah it's not really a code bug
14:18:49 <mriedem> something f'ed up in mysql
14:18:52 <dansmith> right, it seems to be setup
14:18:56 <dansmith> that's my point
14:19:04 <mriedem> it also just randomly showed up and i don't know how to account for it
14:19:05 <mriedem> or debug it
14:19:09 <dansmith> yeah
14:19:12 <mriedem> we likely need zzzeek
14:19:32 <mriedem> or leakypipes!
14:20:43 <dansmith> efried: moving on?
14:20:52 <efried> Yah. Aforementioned action hopefully moves the ball. lmk if there's anything I can do to help.
14:21:19 <efried> #topic Reminders
14:21:20 <efried> any?
14:21:56 <efried> #topic Sub/related team Highlights
14:21:56 <efried> Placement (cdent/tetsuro)
14:22:33 <efried> things have been pretty quiet here. If you have something to talk about, the
14:22:33 <efried> #link placement ptg etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-shanghai-ptg
14:22:33 <efried> would be a good place to put it.
14:22:45 <efried> API (gmann)
14:23:47 <efried> I think other than policy defaults stuff, nothing much here?
14:23:55 <efried> #topic Stuck Reviews
14:23:55 <efried> any?
14:24:21 <efried> #topic Review status page
14:24:21 <efried> #link http://status.openstack.org/reviews/#nova
14:24:21 <efried> Count: 464 (+5); Top score: 2182 (+52)
14:24:30 <efried> #topic Open discussion
14:24:37 <efried> Bueller?
14:24:50 <mriedem> nada
14:24:55 <mriedem> i abandoned a bunch of old reviews yesterday
14:25:08 <mriedem> doesn't put a dent in the open review
14:25:23 <sean-k-mooney> i wanted to hilight one bluepirnt that was just filed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/config-tsc-freq
14:25:58 <sean-k-mooney> basicaly i just wanted to know if people think this needs a spec of not
14:26:35 <efried> what's the scope of the code change? Sounds small?
14:26:48 <sean-k-mooney> add a new flavor extraspec
14:26:55 <sean-k-mooney> and a minor libvirt dirver update
14:26:58 <sean-k-mooney> thats about it
14:27:27 <mriedem> eandersson might be interested in that
14:27:28 <efried> I think if you spell out the extra spec in the bp it should be able to go specless.
14:27:28 <sean-k-mooney> similar in scope the the pmu change i did last cycle
14:27:53 <sean-k-mooney> ya i can work to flesh it out in the blueprint
14:28:01 <mriedem> i think it's likely ok specless
14:28:20 <mriedem> i think we already have a spec for hpet timer stuff
14:28:23 <mriedem> just build on that
14:28:33 <sean-k-mooney> ok it was brought up by umbSublime on irc last week so i just want to help them along
14:28:45 <mriedem> hw_time_hpet image property, not extra spec
14:29:08 <efried> anything else?
14:29:24 <efried> Happy halloween everyone.
14:29:24 <efried> Well, everyone with pagan still in their heart.
14:29:24 <efried> o/
14:29:24 <efried> #endmeeting