16:00:32 #startmeeting nova 16:00:33 Meeting started Thu Apr 23 16:00:32 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:34 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:35 o/ 16:00:36 The meeting name has been set to 'nova' 16:00:39 o/ 16:00:41 \o 16:00:45 o/ 16:00:56 o/ 16:00:59 o/ 16:01:17 what a nice crowd 16:01:24 ~o~ 16:01:37 o/ 16:01:40 #topic Last meeting 16:01:46 #link Minutes from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-04-16-16.00.log.html 16:01:51 we agreed not to bump compute RPC to 6.0 in Ussuri 16:02:05 anything else we need to bring back from last meeting? 16:02:08 o/ 16:02:35 #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) 16:02:42 No Critical bugs 16:02:47 #link 53 new untriaged bugs (-18 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New 16:02:56 51 even ;) 16:03:03 \o/ 16:03:11 (my data is from my morning) 16:03:15 we need to keep an eye of possible regressions as Ussuri release is in 3 weeks 16:03:24 RC critical bugs are tagged with ussuri-rc-potential #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=ussuri-rc-potential 16:03:41 but don't have any at the moment 16:03:54 anything else about bugs? 16:05:27 #topic Release Planning 16:05:33 TODOs are tracked in the etherpad #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-ussuri-rc-potential 16:05:39 The work on bp policy-defaults-refresh has been finished. This was the last feature we wanted for Ussuri. 16:05:52 We will cut Ussuri RC1 today 16:06:04 Reno prelude patch merged. Thanks bauzas. 16:06:10 np 16:06:14 a small follow up for the prelude is on the gate 16:06:17 the FUP is on its way 16:06:25 ++ 16:06:38 compute RPC alias patch has been merged. thanks takashi 16:06:39 ++ 16:06:42 to add the policy doc link right 16:06:46 melwitt: right 16:06:50 we need a second core for https://review.opendev.org/#/c/718630/2 16:06:59 cool 16:07:03 We still need to merge the revert of the turned off DB unit test https://review.opendev.org/#/c/718630/ 16:07:10 yup, this 16:07:10 yinx 16:07:11 :) 16:07:16 ah yes, I can look at that 16:07:22 and then we can cut RC1 16:07:30 yes. that is the last patch I track 16:07:33 policy doc link on nova highlight for ussuri is also merged 16:07:44 gmann: yup, hence the FUP patch for the reno prelude 16:07:45 gmann: thanks for that as well 16:07:50 oh this 16:07:53 my bad 16:08:05 if anybody has anything that holds of RC1 then please tell me 16:08:09 np! 16:08:34 Last possible RC date for Ussuri is 8th May, two weeks from now. 16:08:40 I'm not tracking any RC2 potential issues at the moment 16:08:46 Please tag any RC critical bug with ussuri-rc-potential tag in launchpad 16:08:53 only regressions FTW 16:09:02 yes 16:09:13 Noob question - is there doc that says what's rc critical? 16:09:28 artom: tl;dr: only Ussuri regressions 16:09:37 Understood 16:09:40 will it break upgrades or a new regreesssion 16:09:59 and if we have something like a regression, we usually also take the opportunity to add missing docs if there are any, fwiw 16:10:08 that and gate failures of course 16:10:49 good summar 16:10:50 y 16:10:51 htanks 16:11:16 zigo will start debian packaging as soon as RC1 is cut so we might get feedback from there 16:11:31 ie. hold your stable/ussuri backports until GA, please :-) 16:11:48 + ^^ 16:11:49 Unless it's rc ;) 16:11:52 (right?) 16:11:55 right 16:12:01 \o/ 16:12:10 RC2 potential fixes needs to land on master first then backported to stable/ussuri 16:12:36 anything else about the upcoming release? 16:13:30 #topic Stable Branches 16:13:54 stable/train 20.2.0 has been released 16:14:11 lyarwood: anything else worth to mention from stable? 16:14:25 should we also tag stable/stein ? 16:14:27 gibi: we have a few stable/stein reviews to go before releasing a version there as well 16:14:32 ah 16:14:41 #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/stein 16:14:55 iirc the top 4 16:15:00 b/c/ stable branches will be a bit on-hold for 2 weeks since stable/ussuri will only be there for regressions 16:15:16 good opportunity to focus on stable branches then :) 16:15:25 lyarwood: thanks 16:16:03 #topic Sub/related team Highlights 16:16:15 Placement (tetsuro) 16:17:30 API (gmann) 16:17:38 one update - brin pushed the updates on delete-on-termination PUT (was PATCH) spec to match the implementation. - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/722194/ 16:18:09 we can wait for moving the specs into implemented folder for this ^^ 16:18:19 gmann: good point 16:18:19 i think sean-k-mooney is going to do that ? if i remember 16:18:21 sure 16:18:25 sean-k-mooney: thanks! 16:18:32 thanks 16:18:39 that's all from my side. 16:18:43 #topic Stuck Reviews 16:18:59 nothing on the agenda 16:19:07 any review to talk about? 16:19:13 gibi: I had a bunch of comments on that d-o-t spec update, btw 16:19:43 then I wouldn't want to hold the specs implemented change from sean-k-mooney 16:19:45 dansmith: thanks for the review 16:20:07 we could move all to implemented other than that one and then move it when it's finished 16:20:08 we could just have brin's change depending on sean-k-mooney's one 16:20:19 bauzas: the train one is making it way through the gate https://review.opendev.org/#/c/706276/ but i need to rebase teh ussuri one anyway https://review.opendev.org/#/c/721278/ 16:20:34 dansmith: +1 that also works 16:20:53 I just feel it's good to just say what we've done asap 16:20:58 and just fix things later 16:21:03 but just a 2cts 16:21:06 i wont have the ussuri one rebased today so ill do it on monday 16:21:07 moving on 16:21:28 OK 16:21:36 #topic Virtual PTG planning 16:21:48 summary mail #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-April/014148.html 16:21:55 I need to book slots in the common schedule so we need to know how much slots we need, and what time slots we want to use 16:21:59 Please fill the doodle (link in the ML post) 16:22:06 Current PTG topics are in #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-victoria-ptg 16:22:11 Please add your topics 16:22:15 I will ask each topic proposer to either start an ML thread or propose a spec for his/her topic before the PTG so that we can have focused discussion during the PTG 16:23:14 gibi: well, how many slots are you thinking we should take ? 16:23:29 fwiw, I personally raised the fact that a one-week schedule is tight 16:23:30 based on the current etherpad we need one nova-neutron cross slot 16:23:43 and expecting 2-3 for the reset 16:23:44 rest 16:23:51 and I'm afraid of any virtual PTG fatigue we would get 16:24:08 depending on how much we can close before the PTG and how much new topic will pop up 16:24:53 bauzas: I'm open to have discusson after the week of the PTG too if more time is needed 16:25:04 so, 4 slots meaning 4 hours of discussion ? 16:25:26 that is my current estimate but please challenge it 16:25:43 bauzas: each slot is 4 hours i think 16:25:53 sean-k-mooney: no, we can book hour by hour 16:25:58 sean-k-mooney: that's not what I see from the agenda 16:26:11 agenda #link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/126u8ek25noy 16:26:12 yes i know we can book hour by hour sorry i ment the windows 16:26:21 they windows are 4 hour blocks with gaps 16:26:22 ok, this sounds doable then 16:26:29 i think 4 hours is max any team can book in a day 16:26:36 per day indeed 16:26:49 but if we stick with 4 slots, I'd propose to only have 2 slots per day 16:27:06 I might try to do a booking like one hour meeting, one hour break, one hour meeting 16:27:12 and we could think of a 3rd day with a 2-hour slots as extra time 16:27:21 by the way i created https://github.com/SeanMooney/ptg-cal to convert that spread sheet into ical files 16:27:35 gibi: one hour is IMHO too much constrained 16:27:43 ill need to update it slightly but once its popluated i can send out the slots 16:27:52 sean-k-mooney: thanks 16:28:02 sean-k-mooney: nice. 16:28:04 bauzas: would be better a 1.5 hour slot + 0.5 hour break? 16:28:05 gibi: we did this a while ago with Design Summit fishblows 16:28:22 and this was really strechy 16:28:32 mm, fishblows 16:28:52 was it 50-min-ish ? can't exactly remember how long it was 16:29:10 Dolphins use fishblows 16:29:17 lol 16:29:43 but anway, I was thinking we could try to have a productivity during 2 hours with a 10-min break without being too much strained IMHO 16:29:49 we can sub schdulin withing the slots once we book them so we can just put a break in the aggenda for that slot if we need too 16:29:51 bauzas: my point is that I want to have breaks between slots to have a way to stretch 16:29:52 oh lol, pardon my French 16:30:02 gibi, ++ to that 16:30:20 gibi: I'm just worried that being around for 3 hours could be challenging for some folks not in a good TZ 16:30:50 agree ^^ so please everybody fill the doodle :) 16:30:52 compared to a 2-hour long meeting with a short break 16:31:27 2 hour slot in 50 + 10 + 60 split works for me 16:31:40 and then repeate that for two consecutive day 16:31:56 and have third overflow day 16:32:02 this sounds reasonable 16:32:30 and the foundation told us we could continue discussing the week after if we really need - or we could just hangouts 16:32:36 yepp 16:32:46 anything else for the virtual PTG? 16:33:04 do we know what tool we will be using yet 16:33:08 or is that still tbd 16:33:26 I wish they would use Jitsi 16:33:31 I don't know about the tooling 16:33:40 tbd, zoom is most probably but not final yet 16:33:42 they were lookign in to jitsi yes 16:33:56 I can use hangouts / zoom / MS Teams or anything that is free 16:34:06 gmann: i was assuming zoom was out due to the secutity issues recently raised 16:34:14 anywy if its TBD we can move on 16:34:17 sure 16:34:19 yeah 16:34:23 yeah and I'd be afraid they'd turn into proprietary software too 16:34:39 for a foundation named OpenDEv 16:34:43 but meh 16:34:43 Presumably it'll have to be Chinese-firewall friendly 16:35:07 #topic Open discussion 16:35:13 bauzas: your turn 16:35:22 well, nothing big to propose 16:35:38 I'm about to send a ML thread to the list asking for volunteers to run a libvirt subteam 16:35:49 we had a couple of open changes in the past but no connection between people 16:36:09 I thought it would be nice to just give them a bit of organization 16:36:40 nothing really official but rather following the subteam principles 16:36:47 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova#Nova_subteams 16:36:51 yeah I would be happy to humbly participate if possible 16:37:02 cool thanks! 16:37:24 the idea is just to self organize and see what we need in terms of coordination 16:37:30 I'm not a big fan of meetings 16:37:45 but we can do multiple things, depending on what participants want 16:37:59 maybe having a tracking etherpad would be a good start 16:38:00 I support your idea of the subteam 16:38:27 If I can help it any way then let me know 16:38:39 okay, then I'll setup the birds of a feather and send the email 16:38:59 cool. I will add your subteam to the meeting agenda 16:39:05 once we gather a list of participants, we'll organize ourselves for the next nova meeting 16:39:06 * gmann need to update API subteam meeting wiki with 'no separate API meeting now ' 16:39:27 gmann: yeah, honestly, we could run office hours 16:39:47 I just feel that there should still be *some* live coordination 16:39:47 true 16:40:10 I just don't want to paper over 16:40:32 anyway, this is sold, I'll send an email after the meeting 16:40:37 bauzas: thanks 16:40:44 anything else to discuss? 16:42:03 then thank you for joining 16:42:13 o/ 16:42:17 #endmeeting