16:00:15 #startmeeting nova 16:00:15 Meeting started Tue Nov 23 16:00:15 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:15 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:15 The meeting name has been set to 'nova' 16:00:25 o/ 16:00:29 o/ 16:00:32 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting 16:00:37 good day, 'vyone 16:00:37 \o 16:01:37 ok, let's start 16:01:43 * kashyap waves 16:02:04 a few folks could be off b/c of some holiday they have on Thursday :) 16:02:16 not French , tho 16:02:28 #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) 16:02:33 #info No Critical bug 16:02:39 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New 29 new untriaged bugs (+1 since the last meeting) 16:02:50 I did a bit of triage and will continue on it tomorrow 16:03:17 thanks for the people who did this too 16:03:22 #help Nova bug triage help is appreciated https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage 16:03:35 #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/placement 33 open stories (+0 since the last meeting) in Storyboard for Placement 16:03:42 any bug to discuss by now ? 16:04:21 #topic Gate status 16:04:29 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=gate-failure Nova gate bugs 16:04:45 no new gate bug AFAICS 16:05:03 btw. we could triage three of them that are NEW :) 16:05:13 (even 4) 16:05:30 #link https://zuul.openstack.org/builds?project=openstack%2Fplacement&pipeline=periodic-weekly Placement periodic job status 16:05:42 we have an issue 16:05:57 #info tempest-integrated-placement job had a CI issue 16:06:13 #link https://zuul.openstack.org/build/43f380b91bd14579806d0b9be0d702c8 the job itself 16:06:44 looks like an unrelated package issue 16:06:49 it is a known issue https://zuul.openstack.org/build/43f380b91bd14579806d0b9be0d702c8/log/job-output.txt#4206 16:07:02 the pmlogger service did not start 16:07:09 What does the service even do? 16:07:10 we see it time to time in nova jobs too 16:07:20 kashyap: never digged into it 16:07:26 Is it this? - https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/pmlogger.1.html 16:07:38 Anyway, don't want to distract from the main point :) 16:08:05 #agreed this is a known issue related to pmlogger, should be automatically fixed next run 16:08:13 agreed on the agreed ? ^ 16:08:14 pmlogger.service - Performance Metrics Archive Logge 16:08:25 so yes 16:08:39 bauzas: sure 16:08:48 ok, if this is done, let's move on 16:08:56 #info Please look at the gate failures, file a bug, and add an elastic-recheck signature in the opendev/elastic-recheck repo (example: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/759967) 16:09:06 any other gate issue to mention ? 16:10:07 looks not 16:10:13 #topic Release Planning 16:10:23 Yoga-1 was Nova 18th#link https://releases.openstack.org/yoga/schedule.html#y-1 16:10:27 dang 16:10:37 link https://releases.openstack.org/yoga/schedule.html#y-1 16:10:43 Yoga-1 was Nova 18th 16:10:50 #info Spec review day helped to merge 3 specs 16:11:06 thanks people who reviewed them 16:12:34 #info at Yoga-1 timeframe, Nova already accepted 7 specs and 4 specless BPs 16:12:44 (sorry, was counting) 16:13:06 anything to mention about the pace we have ? 16:13:50 #info reminder that we plan another spec review day mid-Dec, exact date to be discussed in a next meeting 16:14:03 moving on ? 16:14:40 I guess so 16:14:46 #topic Review priorities 16:14:56 #link https://review.opendev.org/q/status:open+(project:openstack/nova+OR+project:openstack/placement)+label:Review-Priority%252B1 16:15:02 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/816861 bauzas proposing a documentation change for helping contributors to ask for reviews 16:15:11 that reminds me I need to update this change 16:15:52 #action bauzas to update his change to reflect the consensus about non-ownership ask for this label 16:16:42 but then, I'll ask next week what and how people feel about how to asynchronously ask reviewers (cores and non-cores) to look at changes 16:16:53 or the other way, how reviewers can discover changes 16:17:47 we have room for contributors happy to review that we can help them how to do this 16:18:19 bauzas: btw, can we remove review priority from https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/810220 it is in -1 since 5th of Nov 16:19:06 gibi: fair enough, you provided good comments on it, and I didn't added my ones since I agree with you 16:19:16 and I have the same feeling about https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/810849 too 16:19:27 even if I'd like this bugfix to be merged somehow 16:19:54 and this too https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/803713 16:21:22 #info we removed the Review-Priority flag from a few changes as they were lacking updates 16:21:48 I added a comment to each of the changes explaining to ping me again once they revise the change 16:22:07 gibi: thanks for the cleanup 16:22:33 I should somehow think about how to periodically check this 16:22:59 that's it for the RP labelling and usage ? 16:24:32 I guess so 16:24:37 #topic Stable Branches 16:24:44 elodilles: the mic is yours 16:24:52 #info stable gates are not blocked 16:24:58 woow 16:25:00 #info Ussuri transitioned to Extended Maintenance for nova projects \o/ 16:25:09 and that's it i think 16:25:25 i have no updates for the intermittent failures on stable gates :( 16:25:47 elodilles: don't wanna release any stable branch as we're around yoga-1 ? 16:26:04 good question 16:26:25 we could do a xena .z release 16:26:33 i haven't checked how much new content we have on stable branches 16:26:35 not sure if people want it tho 16:26:48 I'm pretty sure gibi would like a release, nope? 16:26:53 given of the backports 16:27:14 or do people want to stack a bit more until we release ? 16:27:28 i can prepare some if there is need :) 16:29:04 bauzas: no hard push on a release 16:29:07 I have no personal interest beyond curiosity 16:29:20 ok, we can wait them 16:29:23 then* 16:29:41 bauzas: the waiting for plug fix needed on victora / pike for my downstream counterpart 16:29:43 (i don't see much merged content) 16:29:54 Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Revert project-specific APIs for servers https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/816206 16:30:23 gibi: well, for us, wallaby and train, but whatever 16:30:44 yeah probably train too 16:30:49 I guess we're done with this topic, we can rediscuss about the opportunity to release a bit later in the cycle 16:31:44 yes, let's discuss later 16:32:00 ++ 16:32:08 #topic Sub/related team Highlights 16:32:14 Libvirt (lyarwood) 16:32:19 We are tracking a QEMU 6.1.0 regression downstream with [libvirt]num_pcie_ports >= 15 when using the q35 machine type, we aren't hitting it yet upstream in Nova itself as we only use q35 in nova-next but TripleO is seeing it with centos 8 and 9 stream after a QEMU rebase. The workaround is to lower the port count to <=14. Just a heads up for now, I've got a TODO to create a known issue release note in Nova for the time being while we 16:32:19 wait on a fix in QEMU. 16:32:57 ouch. 16:33:00 and that's all I have this week 16:33:27 ack so noting to do in nova other then the known issue 16:33:35 ack, I also saw some bad libvirt modification that creates problems for our vgpu support 16:33:39 and perhaps change job config if needd 16:33:50 sean-k-mooney: ack pretty much 16:33:55 https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1951656 16:34:27 the fix is easy but that makes me worried about the fact that the namings we have are not a public API 16:35:06 its not the first time we have been broken by such name changes 16:35:45 can't imagine what would happen if the drivers can also change their mdev type names 16:36:04 we're a bit fragile 16:36:08 anyway 16:36:12 let's not overdiscuss this 16:36:26 we have a few specless bps requests again this week 16:38:10 #info QEMU 6.1.0 regression downstream with [libvirt]num_pcie_ports >= 15 requires for the moment to work around by lowering the port count to <=14. lyarwood will provide a relnote for it until the QEMU regression is fixed 16:38:27 moving on 16:38:31 #topic Open discussion 16:38:35 #topic Open discussion 16:38:44 (dasp) Blueprint for review: "Make no_compression_image_types configurable" -- https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/configurable-no-compression-image-types 16:38:49 dasp: around ? 16:38:57 Rationale: hardcoded behavior slows down cold migrations with local RAW disk images to 8 mbps and maxes CPU. It might be a good idea to change the default value as well or disable compression for all types. 16:39:58 this is compression of just the stream? 16:41:04 * bauzas reads the blueprint description 16:41:24 I assume the original thought is that raw disks *might* be mostly zeroes which compress to nothing during transfer, 16:41:38 but that probably falls apart over time and makes it compression for no reason 16:41:41 that's my general assumption 16:42:06 for ssh 16:42:09 ideally libvirt would just do hole detection and not transfer the holes, I think, but... 16:42:10 it just adds -C 16:42:19 for rsync it enable rsync compression 16:42:20 sean-k-mooney: ah, right 16:42:35 well, I see no reason to prevent people from choosing this, so seems okay to me 16:42:40 oh the ssh transfer itself ? 16:42:47 yes 16:42:56 I guess the proposal is to make it configurable ? 16:43:01 yeah 16:43:10 but that would be for all images of the same type 16:43:18 I'm here 16:43:18 default to the same behavior it looks like, so no change unless you want change 16:43:21 (I guess) 16:43:37 its this https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/50fdbc752a9ca9c31488140ef2997ed59d861a41/nova/virt/libvirt/volume/remotefs.py#L192-L193 16:43:50 dansmith: if this is opt-in for uncompress, that's OK 16:43:55 bauzas: right 16:44:07 dansmith: if that's changing the default to *not* compress raw images, I'm -1 16:44:14 so the current patch if they have not reviesed it maintianed the exsting behavior 16:44:19 bauzas: no, it's keeping the same default, just allowing people to control it 16:44:34 and i was suggesting we would not change the default without more dicussion 16:44:47 then it looks to me a simple configurable ask, which doesn't require a spec provided they don't break existing behaviour 16:44:49 although both rsync and ssh recommend it only for slow connections 16:45:09 yes, changing default is not in scope right now as it comes from me. However, based on my tests, the default behavior is very bad unless I'm doing something unusually wrong. 16:45:37 So I'm likely going to propose another future spec to change the default separately. 16:45:44 dasp: right so for now i think we shoudl add the option and consider changing the default after we get some operator input 16:45:53 what sean-k-mooney said 16:45:56 I dunno if discard will cause qemu to zero sections of a raw disk, but if not, over time your raw disk of zeroes becomes not that, so compression becomes useless after a point 16:45:57 expose the new knob 16:46:02 let operators play with it 16:46:17 and give us figures about why this is helpful to change the default 16:47:54 anyone having concerns about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/configurable-no-compression-image-types NOT being a specless BP ? 16:48:36 no API modifications, no upgrade concerns, no DB modifications, just a configurable add 16:48:53 this is ok to me so no objections 16:48:59 yup 16:49:00 looks like nobody is freaking out 16:49:21 #agreed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/configurable-no-compression-image-types is approved as a specless BP, provided no change in default behaviour 16:49:30 next one 16:49:38 (jhartkopf) Update user data spec (https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/816542) 16:49:43 jhartkopf: around ? 16:49:51 are you just asking for spec review ? 16:50:07 around 16:50:35 oh, I remember this one 16:50:51 that's an interesting case 16:50:52 i think jhartkopf wanted to expand on there usecase 16:51:01 right 16:51:11 We have already discussed this spec extensively, but I’d like to focus on a specific use case now. 16:51:38 We think the change would make sense when using Cloudbase-init plugins, which can run at every boot and configures guest settings based on user data 16:51:56 We already brought that up, but still think this would be a valid use case 16:52:21 cloud-init support that too by the way its just not how its typically used 16:52:32 jhartkopf: IIRC, your usecase was for ssh key management, right? 16:52:50 i thikn that was someone else usecase 16:52:56 bauzas: no, that was the other person who wanted the same feature some years ago 16:53:05 hah, apologies then 16:53:06 for ssh key manament i do think there is vaule in support multiple keys and updating them 16:53:39 jhartkopf: my concern is, which specific cases are useful that require the userdata to be mutable ? 16:53:56 besides the fact that other big Fives do this 16:54:28 speificly is there a usecase you are trying to enable that is a usecase for the end user/tenant not the operator 16:54:30 sean-k-mooney: Cloud-init supports this as well, yes. But why would you want to restrict API functionality and potentially restrict other's workflows? 16:55:09 sean-k-mooney: indeed, cases about end user 16:55:16 the user-data is "owned" by the enduser so if the reason to make it mutable is so operators can chagne it it would not be consitnet with the usage of that api 16:55:39 when rebuilding an instance, you can't redeclare userdata (AFAIK) but you effectively make cloud-init re-run, that's a trap my users run into 16:56:07 dasp: for rebuild we do allow new user data to be pass in a later microverion i belive 16:56:18 yeah that rings me a bell 16:56:19 dasp: you are correct that orginally we did not 16:56:19 sec 16:56:21 oh, sorry my org is running a bit "behind" on versions 16:57:12 sean-k-mooney: 2.3 16:57:18 so... Kilo 16:57:20 2.54 allows the key to be changed on rebuild https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/reference/api-microversion-history.html#id50 and 2.57 allows user data to be updated 16:57:48 oh, that one 16:57:52 bauzas: its no 2.3 16:57:59 yeah my bad 16:58:06 this is Queens 16:58:06 but ya since queens 16:58:32 we only have 2 mins left 16:58:41 (as a timekeeper) 16:59:07 jhartkopf: we could proably make it mutable if there is a use facing usecase but we would need to support config dirve and note that the change may not fully be ableable untill after a hard reboot 16:59:23 I'll have to call it a wrap 16:59:25 for this week 16:59:30 we can revisite this in the spec 17:00:21 #info https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/816542 requires propre description of enduser cases for mutable user data 17:00:31 that's it, we're over time 17:00:34 thanks all 17:00:36 #endmeeting