16:00:01 #startmeeting nova 16:00:01 Meeting started Tue Jul 5 16:00:01 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:01 The meeting name has been set to 'nova' 16:00:10 sean-k-mooney: sorry had to start the meeting 16:00:18 hello 'veryone 16:00:21 o/ 16:01:17 o/ 16:01:43 as I said to gibi, I'll need to leave in 40 mins 16:01:52 so, I'll leave the chair to gibi 16:01:54 #chair gibi 16:01:54 Current chairs: bauzas gibi 16:02:21 maybe we should start 16:02:47 #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) 16:02:57 #info One Critical bug 16:03:02 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1979047 Centos 9 Stream bug failure 16:03:19 that being said, the root cause seems to be fixed on C9S 16:03:38 now, we have a revert from gibi 16:03:41 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/848352 revert of the n-v job patch 16:03:56 for making the C9S job voting again 16:04:19 that being said, I have a concern I'd like to discuss with the team 16:04:59 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2092856 is the C9S BZ 16:05:15 if you look at it, it took about 3 weeks in order to be fixed 16:05:45 and released 16:05:53 now, my concern is about the job 16:06:17 given now Centos9 is a stream, that means that we can't just merge a fix without verifying it 16:06:23 we = RHEL team 16:07:16 so, here my concern : instead of voting again, should this job be a periodic-weekly one ? 16:07:36 well technially the centos core team could but rhel team will want it to go though qe first 16:07:49 im +1 on moving to periodic-weekly 16:08:02 i orginally did not want it to be voting this cycle 16:08:07 if we agree on it, I propose to look at the job by every week during our meeting, like we do for both placement and nova-emulation 16:08:08 if we promise to look at it as part of our weekly agenda then I'm OK to move it to periodic 16:08:19 when i raised the topic at the ptg it was for ti to be nonvoting until at least m2 16:08:41 ok, any other thoughts ? 16:08:47 this way we can detect breaking changes, but probably we wont detect race coditions, as there wont be enough runs for it 16:09:06 gibi: yeah 16:09:14 we can also put it in experimental 16:09:19 so we can trigger if we need too 16:09:31 but that runs more then we would like 16:09:32 gibi: what I'd also like is to find some C9S folks we could be pinging if we find an issue 16:09:38 sounds OK to be a periodic-weekly, we even free up some resource with that, right? 16:09:43 its too bad we can trigger periodics via a comment 16:09:57 elodilles: yes since it wont be per patch 16:10:04 but we can still review it regurally 16:10:05 ++ 16:10:30 sean-k-mooney: yeah we could also have a experimental job if we want 16:10:31 if its perodic-weekly we might even be able to add more variants in the futre 16:10:45 I'm fine loosing the race condition detection, so I'm OK to move it to periodic 16:11:09 ok, I don't see any argue 16:11:13 so... 16:11:49 #agreed moving the centos9s job to be a periodic-weekly job instead of voting for every change 16:12:13 #agreed bauzas to add this periodic job to our weekly meeting topic for the gate 16:12:33 #agreed we could add this job to the experimental pipeline 16:12:45 folks, ok ? 16:12:53 thanks gibi, sean-k-mooney and elodilles for your thoughts 16:13:21 its ok with me to move on 16:13:26 let move on 16:13:28 k 16:13:34 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New 10 new untriaged bugs (+2 since the last meeting) 16:13:50 eventually we only had 8 bugs last week :( 16:13:59 but eventually this week we had a lof of new ones 16:14:14 #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-bug-triage-20220628 16:14:19 #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-bug-triage-20220621 16:14:47 if people want, they can look at what I triaged 16:15:09 but I don't want to discuss one of them by now 16:15:22 #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/placement 27 open stories (+0 since the last meeting) in Storyboard for Placement 16:15:28 #info Add yourself in the team bug roster if you want to help https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-bug-triage-roster 16:15:48 so, the next folk in the roster is artom 16:16:16 artom: can you be the next bug baton owner, or anyone else ? 16:17:46 mmm, looks like artom isn't around 16:17:59 that means we can give them more work to do right 16:18:04 right :) 16:18:17 hah 16:18:18 he had on PTO last week so he is well prepared ;) 16:18:28 I triaged for two weeks 16:18:33 I paid my duty :D 16:18:59 i'm not that efficient as others, and probably will be afk 1 day, but can try to have the baton 16:19:03 (well, actually I triaged every Yoga week, until gibi told we should have a triage team :) ) 16:19:24 I think we can convice artom to take it :) 16:19:35 gibi: that also works for me :) 16:19:36 he is just probably busy with someting else right now 16:19:40 let me gently force artom to get the baton :) 16:19:50 not in a passive aggressive way 16:19:51 lets but it on artom tentatively and we can re-think if he rejects it 16:19:57 but rather talking with him in French 16:20:38 cool 16:20:46 #info Next bug baton is passed to artom 16:20:53 moving on 16:20:55 #topic Gate status 16:21:00 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=gate-failure Nova gate bugs 16:21:17 #link https://zuul.openstack.org/builds?project=openstack%2Fplacement&pipeline=periodic-weekly Placement periodic job status 16:21:21 #link https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/builds?job_name=nova-emulation&pipeline=periodic-weekly&skip=0 Emulation periodic job runs 16:21:28 both weekly jobs run fine 16:21:46 * dansmith stumbles in late 16:22:03 #info Please look at the gate failures and file a bug report with the gate-failure tag. 16:22:08 #info STOP DOING BLIND RECHECKS aka. 'recheck' https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/testing.html#how-to-handle-test-failures 16:22:14 oh, I forgot to add in the agenda 16:22:18 we have numbers 16:22:39 #link https://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-July/029363.html 16:23:02 #undo 16:23:02 Removing item from minutes: #link https://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-July/029363.html 16:23:06 ya nova was not too bad but there are still some 16:23:27 #link https://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-June/029342.html 16:24:04 #info 57.75% of rechecks were without a reason, please refrain this wrong behaviour 16:24:12 ++ 16:24:52 moving on 16:24:56 #topic Release Planning 16:25:00 #link https://releases.openstack.org/zed/schedule.html 16:25:05 #info Zed-2 is in 1.5 weeks 16:25:09 #info Spec review day today 16:25:18 well, this was actually a quiet review day 16:25:27 only 3 specs are currently open to reviews 16:25:36 I spent a lot of time on the ironic one, 16:25:43 dansmith: appreciated a lot 16:25:51 although I'm not sure I'd even call it a spec 16:25:52 yeah the ironic one is the hard piece 16:26:05 dansmith: I tried to look at it and then I had to stop b/c I had to do bug triage 16:26:21 dansmith: we basically agreed on the fact this isn't purely a spec 16:26:27 it's really just brainstorming, so has nothing to do with the spec deadline, IMHO 16:26:38 it's a document trying to identify all the corner cases about the proposed implementation 16:26:42 depending on an agreed solution we might need a real spec :) 16:26:45 dansmith: agreed 16:26:54 on the existing document 16:26:57 but agreed to brainstorm first 16:27:06 I don't feel it's constrained by the spec approval freeze 16:27:14 yep i have not looked at it in a while but its on my todo list at the end 16:27:16 after the rest 16:27:29 but yeah, as gibi said, depending on the consensus we may achieve, this would require some design stage. Or not. 16:27:43 anything we do would need a spec I'm quite sure, 16:28:03 I'm just saying, there's no reason to spend time reviewing it instead of other specs before the deadline 16:28:06 I'll make clear on the gerrit change this one isn't impacted by our deadlines 16:28:15 I didn't really realize that until it was too late for me, but SAVE YOURSELVES 16:28:16 :P 16:28:26 dansmith: honestly, besides this one which is hairy, we only have two opens 16:28:32 one is about to be merged 16:28:33 I threw a -1 on it for visibility since all the others were just +0 comments 16:28:42 and the other one potentially misses resources to work one 16:28:44 on* 16:28:46 cool 16:29:05 so I just feel we can spend brain cycles on the rebalance issue 16:29:11 ack 16:29:14 since it was a braninstromign doc i just didn nto +/- since it did not have any singel proposal 16:29:32 sean-k-mooney: I'll clarify the purpose of this document in a gerrit comment 16:29:34 but yes ack on the -1 16:30:18 sean-k-mooney: yeah and that's fair, but someone could stumble in thinking it was needing review before the deadline with no other signaling :D 16:30:39 I'll send the signal 16:30:45 ++ 16:30:56 ideally, I asked CERN folks to jab into it 16:31:05 but, this is just an ask 16:31:26 they're impacted by the rebalancing issue as they don't use the ironic feature 16:31:40 so in terms of other specs 16:31:42 so I'd also like to understand whether we could have a mitigation 16:31:54 im expecting artom to update theres later this week 16:32:05 and ill try and updte teh power managment one 16:32:11 but im aware both are late 16:32:13 and may slip 16:32:23 sean-k-mooney: I left a comment on artom's spec, there could be effort to spend on the EC2 compatible API 16:32:44 well ok but im not sure we care about ec2 compat 16:33:01 sean-k-mooney: maybe, but the spec was saying we were given ec2 compat for free 16:33:08 which isn't true 16:33:13 ack 16:33:39 for the power management spec, you still have one week to push it 16:33:57 given we lack of open specs, I could be able to quickly jump into it 16:33:58 main issue is reloading context i have not worked on it since febuary 16:34:02 me too 16:34:23 but, given Berlin, I think this would be a net win to have it in Nova 16:34:29 Uggla's spec i think is close it have one issue with it but it could be adressed in a followup 16:34:35 cool 16:34:42 let's wrap on the spec discussion 16:34:50 I'll need to leave the chair soon 16:34:55 and we can follow up tomorrow 16:35:03 #topic Review priorities 16:35:09 #link https://review.opendev.org/q/status:open+(project:openstack/nova+OR+project:openstack/placement+OR+project:openstack/os-traits+OR+project:openstack/os-resource-classes+OR+project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/osc-placement)+label:Review-Priority%252B1 16:35:25 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/837595 Gerrit policy for Review-prio contributors flag. Waiting for approval 16:35:53 we should ping the project-config cores 16:36:05 #link https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/process.html#what-the-review-priority-label-in-gerrit-are-use-for Documentation we already have 16:36:16 i can do that after the meeting 16:36:20 thanks 16:36:31 #topic Stable Branches 16:36:34 elodilles: your time 16:36:43 #info stable nova releases are out: yoga (25.0.1), xena (24.1.1) and wallaby (24.1.1) 16:36:51 #info stable/train is blocked, fix exists but hasn't merged yet due to intermittent failures 16:37:05 #info stable branch status / gate failures tracking etherpad: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-stable-branch-ci 16:37:14 that's it, to be quick 16:37:37 thanks 16:38:02 elodilles: as again, don't be afraid of pinging me for reviews 16:38:06 #topic Open discussion 16:38:11 (bauzas) Team Sign-up for the next PTG 16:38:15 so, official ask 16:38:16 yes please 16:38:23 :) 16:38:31 should we have a PTG room ? 16:38:39 which would be physical this time ? 16:38:46 :) 16:38:47 can we have a window on the room? :) 16:38:57 I don't know the logistics yet 16:39:16 I can imagine the Foundation asking the teams to be agile and proposing some remote live connection 16:39:23 i would be happy with one in dark basment if it has white bords 16:40:00 yes if we have an ok netowrk 16:40:04 there is a remarks/feedback field in the survey 16:40:05 we can likely have a remote stream too 16:40:07 https://openinfrafoundation.formstack.com/forms/oct2022_ptg_team_signup 16:40:13 I'll fill it up 16:40:22 but I could mention those two things 16:40:27 to stream it we need mics and optional a camera 16:40:42 yep neutron have done that in the past 16:40:45 yeah and everytime we tried, this was a hard experience 16:41:10 I'll leave some notes 16:41:17 that's it for me, I need to leave 16:41:21 bauzas: o/ 16:41:28 so we have one more thing on the agenda 16:41:29 it works fine for neutron as far as i can tell but they more have the stream so people can listen and then respond via etherpath/irc 16:41:31 I have another item to discuss but let's punt it for next week 16:41:35 (bauzas) Opportunities for low-hanging-fruits, anyone ? (only if we have time left) 16:41:39 ahh OK 16:41:41 then it is punted 16:41:44 thanks 16:41:50 * bauzas rushes off 16:41:52 does anyone here has an extra topic for today? 16:41:58 gibi: feel free to wrap the meeting 16:42:02 bauzas: will do 16:42:10 ++ 16:42:17 not really but i will think about low haning fruit for the next one 16:42:49 OK, so if nothing else today then I will close the meeting 16:42:54 thanks for all joining 16:42:58 #endmeeting