16:00:01 <johnsom> #startmeeting Octavia
16:00:02 <openstack> Meeting started Wed May 13 16:00:01 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:00:06 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'octavia'
16:00:16 <johnsom> #chair rm_work
16:00:16 <openstack> Current chairs: johnsom rm_work
16:00:20 <cgoncalves> hi
16:00:28 <ataraday_> hi
16:00:40 <johnsom> Hi everyone!
16:00:53 <haleyb> hi
16:01:19 <johnsom> #topic Announcements
16:01:34 <johnsom> Ussuri is released!
16:01:36 <johnsom> #link https://www.openstack.org/software/ussuri/
16:01:52 <johnsom> If you didn't attend the highlights meeting this morning, the release is out.
16:02:02 <johnsom> Thank you all for your contributions!
16:02:37 <johnsom> Octavia got some attention this cycle in the release announcements, etc. so good stuff.
16:02:57 <johnsom> Both AZs and TLS ciphers are in the screenshots section
16:03:18 <cgoncalves> well done, team!
16:03:30 <johnsom> Along those lines, thank you to rm_work for his leadership during Ussuri!
16:03:58 <johnsom> This is his last week as PTL and then you are stuck with me. grin
16:04:08 <cgoncalves> ... again
16:04:14 <johnsom> lol
16:04:14 <cgoncalves> thank you, rm_work!
16:04:53 <johnsom> As the release is out, we are officially open for Victoria patch merge. (Though I think we have been for a bit anyway)
16:05:21 <johnsom> Also a friendly reminder, PTG registration is open:
16:05:28 <johnsom> #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/
16:05:35 <johnsom> and we have an etherpad:
16:05:42 <johnsom> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/octavia-virtual-V-ptg
16:05:58 <johnsom> Please include any topics you would like to discuss during our PTG sessions.
16:06:15 <johnsom> Any other announcements this week?
16:07:01 <johnsom> #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review
16:07:40 <johnsom> Ok, other than some reviews and working on the content the foundation requested, I have been focusing on an internal project this week.
16:08:39 <ataraday_> I pushed small patch for an issue I discovered on our internal cloud
16:08:43 <ataraday_> #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/726084/
16:09:00 <ataraday_> some reviews appreciated :)
16:09:09 <johnsom> I should also mention I am giving a short talk at the OpenStack meetings today covering our Ussuri highlights.  So, shout outs for those features.
16:10:15 <cgoncalves> same content as meeting ~2 hours ago, right?
16:10:19 <johnsom> Hmm, interesting. Even an API get is failing...
16:10:33 <johnsom> Yes, same exact content, just a separate time (zone)
16:11:20 <johnsom> ataraday_ Looks good. My only comment would be to maybe tie the retry counts to configuration file settings.
16:11:37 <johnsom> We have got feedback in the past that some people want things to retry forever.
16:12:05 <johnsom> Personally, I'm getting a bit concerned about the number of these "retry" values we have defined in the configuration file.
16:12:24 <ataraday_> johnsom, sure, will add it
16:12:33 <ataraday_> yeah, to many reties...
16:12:33 <johnsom> I would be interested to hear if people have ideas/thoughts on how to improve that situation or if it is ok as it is.
16:12:55 <johnsom> Maybe we can consolidate them somehow.
16:13:39 <johnsom> I know I have added a bunch of them, and I'm just not sure if it's useful for tuning, or just too much.
16:13:47 <ataraday_> ideally we want to have all retries configurable?
16:14:12 <johnsom> ataraday_ Historically that has been our position.
16:14:54 <johnsom> Mostly because of the very wide performance difference between the nested virtualization the zuul gates use vs. the production situations.
16:15:25 <johnsom> But I would like to have a discussion about it. Is it too much, is it good, etc.
16:18:18 <johnsom> No other comments?
16:18:47 <haleyb> I have been trying to get the gates functional, https://review.opendev.org/#/c/726972/ and https://review.opendev.org/#/c/727280/ (ussuri, needs further work)
16:18:50 <ataraday_> The question with retries would also be - should be a big number by default or not, I guess a lot can be disscussed..
16:19:23 <johnsom> Yes, I agree. I think it would be good for the team to have that discussion. Maybe this is a good PTG topic
16:19:34 <johnsom> haleyb Thank you.
16:20:05 <johnsom> I did have a question I haven't posted for one of your patches yet. If we fix those  issues, why do we still need to pin it?
16:21:04 <haleyb> johnsom: well, for stable we're only fixing until the next release of flake8/pycodestyle/etc since they're unbounded
16:21:18 <johnsom> Ugh, looks like we are caught in the "zuul is really busy, so jobs randomly timeout" cycle there
16:22:04 <haleyb> yeah, pile-up in zuul
16:22:58 <johnsom> This is a cap for Ussuri right?
16:23:00 <johnsom> #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/727280/
16:23:33 <haleyb> yes, but i'm assuming other branches are broken too, at least they are in neutron back to rocky
16:24:02 <johnsom> Ok, so your plan was to fix master, cap the stable branches?
16:24:38 <haleyb> johnsom: yes, just based on how large the patch was
16:24:45 <johnsom> I think requirements has talked about capping the linters for stable branches before, but it tends to get messy
16:25:13 <johnsom> Yeah, though it's pretty low risk assuming it's just the single letter variable name issue
16:25:39 <haleyb> who doesn't like the letter 'l' ? :)
16:26:02 <johnsom> I don't
16:26:04 <johnsom> lol
16:26:58 <johnsom> Funny story actually of being a wise guy in college and getting stuck in a 101 class due to requirements. I crashed the compiler because I variables were too descriptive.
16:27:04 <johnsom> Ah the good old days.
16:27:08 <haleyb> i might need to cherry-pick if that cap doesn't work
16:27:21 <johnsom> Ok, I am not opposed to that
16:27:29 * cgoncalves challenges johnsom to not use letter 'l' until end of the meeting
16:27:30 <johnsom> Thanks for working on it!
16:27:37 <haleyb> we all learned in school to use i, j, k for looping, guess that's all we're allowed
16:28:20 <johnsom> Ok, any other topics today?
16:28:42 * johnsom notes, none of that character in the sentence....
16:29:38 <johnsom> #topic Open Discussion
16:29:47 <johnsom> opps, forgot the topic change
16:30:43 <johnsom> Ok, thank you everyone! Happy Ussuri re1ease day!
16:31:00 <cgoncalves> gotcha! re*l*ease!
16:31:12 <cgoncalves> thanks!
16:31:13 <haleyb> he used a 1 to be snarky
16:31:14 <johnsom> That was #1
16:31:18 <johnsom> grin
16:31:25 <johnsom> #endmeeting