16:01:24 #startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible 16:01:25 Meeting started Thu Sep 29 16:01:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mhayden. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:26 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:01:26 o/ 16:01:28 The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible' 16:01:30 * mhayden had the window buried ;) 16:01:41 #topic Roll call 16:01:43 o/ 16:01:45 o? 16:02:04 o/ 16:02:05 o/ 16:02:08 o/ 16:02:13 evrardjp: y u gotta be dat guy 16:02:15 I'm super enthuisastic today! 16:02:24 no I just type wrong 16:02:28 I'LL HAVE WHAT HE'S HAVING 16:02:30 :) 16:02:44 :D 16:03:09 hi 16:03:39 o/ 16:04:06 o/ 16:04:49 o/ 16:05:02 okay, let's put the lime in the coconut 16:05:14 #topic Action items from last week 16:05:40 looks like palendae's request for help on the inventory patches was fulfilled! 16:05:46 so i can't find any other action items 16:05:51 \o/ 16:06:04 I was supposed to do Liberty/Mitaka releases, and forgot :p 16:06:05 #topic OpenStack-Ansible Install Guide Testing (asettle) 16:06:13 * mhayden passes the mic to asettle 16:06:20 I was going to add to the agenda some things to do for inventory in Ocata but forgot to update it 16:06:52 palendae: we can cover that when asettle is done if you want 16:07:15 SORRY 16:07:15 WHAT 16:07:16 I WAS LIKE 16:07:18 RUNNING AWAY 16:07:27 mhayden: thanks 16:07:48 At the moment install guide testing is still underway 16:07:56 I have received only one bug, which indicates one of two thing 16:08:01 A: Nobody is testing 16:08:03 B: The guide is perfect 16:08:09 I'm going with option B in my head. 16:08:18 I will begin my own testing as of next week, I have been caught up with a few things. 16:08:23 Option A more likely 16:08:27 I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has been using the guide, or has tested teh guide 16:08:33 Sadly I have not yet been able to contribute to the testing effort 16:08:35 automagically: letting the team down. Never forget. 16:09:06 I'm sorry I didn't read it carefully yet 16:09:13 If anyone has the time to test the guide, please contact me. 16:09:25 You will be requested to perform a full deploy using the Newton guide. 16:09:31 And nobody speak to automagically 16:09:39 ^ clearly 16:09:47 :p 16:10:01 haha 16:10:13 asettle: all good on this topic? 16:10:16 Anyway, that's my time done. 16:10:18 Thanks mhayden :) 16:10:23 woot 16:10:45 #topic Ocata inventory to-do's (palendae) 16:10:49 * mhayden passes the mic to palendae 16:11:12 I just made https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-inventory-ocata with a short list of things 16:11:15 I see what you did there mhayden 16:11:42 odyssey4me: palendae asked so nicely, though 16:11:55 sorry! 16:12:10 I'm content to work from that etherpad, nothing urgent 16:13:46 palendae: anything else on that? 16:13:53 Nope 16:13:59 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-inventory-ocata 16:14:36 alrighty! 16:14:50 #topic Standardizing the openstack-ansible-tests repository (andymccr / odyssey4me) 16:15:08 * mhayden cuts the mic in half and gives pieces to andymccr and odyssey4me 16:15:25 is andymccr in the house? 16:15:27 so it was a really quick one, thoughts on the in role overrides 16:15:45 there are a few going about. which is tests/test-vars.yml, or tests/rolename-overrides.yml 16:16:03 i personally am in favour of rolename-overrides.yml so it doesnt overlap with the default test-vars in openstack-ansible-tests 16:16:14 but if nobody has any strong opinions we can just set a standard and move on 16:16:37 I think that's a fine format 16:16:41 andymccr: Overlap how? 16:16:55 automagically: more just that the var name is the same 16:17:03 diff paths tho 16:17:10 oh yeah i mean the functionality of it is fine 16:17:12 common/test-vars.yml vs test-vars.yml 16:17:13 its more a cosmetic issue 16:17:18 for context, see https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_keystone/blob/master/tox.ini#L156 versus https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_designate/blob/master/tests/test-vars.yml versus https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_designate/blob/master/tests/test-designate-functional.yml#L25-L27 16:17:19 Eh, whatevs 16:17:28 it's clearer to users of the test what the intention of the file is. 16:17:48 FWIW - with scenario testing and additional vars files, we’ll get some naming introduced as well 16:17:49 we have different ways of applying the extra vars in the repo which override the vars from the common repo... ideally we should standardise on one way 16:17:53 But consistency is preferable 16:18:13 odyssey4me: ++ -e @overrides should be the consistent pattern 16:18:31 oh yeah true 16:18:38 agreed on that front 16:18:42 ok cool 16:18:44 done 16:18:58 You both plan to open bugs on those or should we just expect patches incoming soon 16:19:03 the file naming is cosmetic - happy for it to be based on the rolename instead of 'test-vars' to keep it from being ambiguous 16:19:09 Or just bringing it up for discussion 16:19:11 ++ -e 16:19:14 I don't care, it seems a not importnat decision, I'll trust the decision 16:19:36 I mean not a damaging for the future 16:19:40 or I misunderstood 16:20:11 FWIW, I know we’ve historically tended not to track work items like this in launchpad, but I’m noticing that our newer contributors seem to benefit from it as they can easily find new work items 16:20:16 Take that for what you will 16:20:25 I'm a little tied up with another patch series. I can put a bug together though. 16:20:31 automagically yeah, agreed 16:20:34 yeah it may be worthwhile 16:20:36 its a low hanging item 16:20:55 it's becoming useful to note things in bugs in such a way that hopefully anyone can pick them up 16:21:15 ok, I can put a bug together tomorrow, unless you have time to do it before then andymccr ? 16:21:30 please triage it already :p 16:21:32 odyssey4me: will add a note :D 16:21:45 +1 putting some wishlist low hanging items into launchpad. doesn't do much good to put in launchpad as low hanging if we have cores jump on them though 16:22:21 stevelle: well that's the importance of proper triaging 16:22:29 but at the moment we are quite good 16:22:33 stevelle yeah, but having cores jump on them isn't bad either - bugs are more visible to everyone than my notebook :p 16:22:40 we don't have critical or high bugs open IIRC 16:23:19 so cores can jump on whatever 16:23:35 but yes, it's maybe better to leave the low-hanging-fruit bugs to new ppl 16:23:49 maybe it's worth tagging them as low-hanging-fruit in the future 16:23:53 so odyssey4me and andymccr will add these into launchpad? 16:23:58 like the other openstack projects 16:24:06 will do 16:24:15 thanks andymccr 16:24:37 #action andymccr will add work items to launchpad for testing overrides 16:24:54 ugh, that was poorly worded 16:24:59 but i think we get the idea (hopefully) 16:26:00 all good on this topic andymccr / odyssey4me ? 16:26:07 yup 16:26:09 woot 16:26:16 #topic Release Planning & Decisions 16:26:30 odyssey4me: you're on again! :) 16:27:11 ok, I've done belated tags for Mitaka/Liberty - apologies for not doing it last week 16:27:43 For Newton, how do we feel about our current position? Should we tag RC2 and branch now - or hang tight a little longer? 16:28:11 My concern is now that upstream has branched, new patches are going in which are Ocata orientated, so our role tests aren't testing newton any more 16:28:35 there aren't a lot at this point, so we're kinda OK, but it will progressively diverge 16:28:46 odyssey4me: imo we should branch now. i have nothing going in that isnt testing related. thats just my perspective though 16:28:53 branching now does mean we'll be doing backports in the next few weeks though 16:29:02 * mhayden tends to agree with andymccr on branching now 16:29:12 andymccr: I assume we want that testing work backported when reasonable 16:29:22 stevelle: yeah definitely 16:29:23 Release is next week... 16:29:38 So I'd also be for branching now 16:29:43 is it possible to stick the requirements to the stable branch, and branch when we say the docs is ready? 16:30:00 yes, I support backporting the testing work - Mitaka has almost no testing in the roles... and I'd definitely prefer having two releases well tested with the same framework 16:30:07 Based on issues I know about in the upstream release candidates I think we should be looking at branching soon. 16:30:32 evrardjp we can backport docs fixes just as well as any other fixes 16:30:33 rather, I'm not aware of a reason not to branch osa 16:30:59 odyssey4me: I know, just wanted to have a an opinion in the middle 16:31:06 as per last cycle, I fully expect that up until milestone 1 as we get feedback of more real world deployments we'll be doing a lot of fixing and backporting 16:31:08 I don't see a problem of branching now 16:31:15 stevelle: +1, and get roles/integrated gates testing against stable/newton 16:31:32 alright, it sounds to me like we're a go on that - I'll request the branch 16:31:57 ok good 16:32:03 thanks odyssey4me 16:32:09 please all pay attention to patches that merged after the current SHA's and help with the backporting 16:32:58 mhayden: Can osa-differ help with identifying backport potentials? 16:34:01 automagically: potentially -- but it isn't meant to compare across branches 16:34:49 patches welcome? 16:35:22 No, no patches welcome 16:35:27 It seems like we may have a lot to backport, so looking for some shared understanding of how to determine the list and act upon it. Seemed like a script would be the easiest way to get there 16:35:28 better that way 16:35:55 software is by definition correct. It does exactly what we told it to. 16:36:57 ... welll uhhh likeeee 16:37:05 mmmm 16:38:23 ok, we had an action item up there for the branch 16:39:52 #action odyssey4me To request/create stable/newton branches 16:40:16 sorry folks -- got some walkups at my desk and getting distracted 16:40:35 I think an email on the mailing list to confirm that the branching is done couldn't be bad 16:41:18 meh, the announcements list gets the announcements for all releases 16:41:27 that's true 16:42:46 automagically: sounds like we might need a commit diff between two branches on each proj? 16:42:53 that's doable with some bash and git 16:43:03 Next tag and branch request is in: https://review.openstack.org/379590 16:43:06 mhayden: Yep 16:43:41 yay newton 16:43:47 a commit diff between branches will be useful initially, but will quickly become useless as we start working on new things. 16:43:52 thanks odyssey4me 16:44:46 odyssey4me: Agreed, but may help us get over the backport hump of the testing consistency patchs 16:45:17 okay, ready for open floor? 16:45:19 automagically yep 16:46:08 mhayden sure 16:46:13 #topic Open floor 16:46:20 Anything happening with summit planning? 16:46:53 palendae: Great question. Would be good to get an etherpad together with list of attendees at a minimum 16:46:55 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103851.html 16:47:07 we have the number of work sessions and fishbowls we requested 16:47:24 Ah, good news 16:47:29 I will graciously leave the rest of the planning to andymccr and simply offer my support if he wishes. :) 16:47:31 My understanding is turn out from our team's going to be low 16:47:45 Just asking since it's not tooooo far out 16:47:45 i'll set up an ehterpad 16:47:46 andymccr: Enjoy! 16:47:57 etherpad - and we can figure out attendees and start throwing ideas in there for the sessions 16:47:59 jmccrory and michaelgugino - You guys attending? 16:48:07 I'm here 16:48:14 attending Barcelona? 16:48:19 Attending BCN, yes 16:48:21 Yes, we're both going 16:48:37 Cool, see ya there 16:48:39 yes, I do think it's time that we start planning for Ocata work - I would hope that we have some specs to discuss at the summit. 16:48:39 * mhayden will be there 16:48:46 * odyssey4me will be there 16:48:57 That was mostly why I threw up the Ocata inventory stuff 16:49:00 But won't be there to discuss 16:49:54 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-barcelona-schedule - thrown up quickly now - but i'll spend some time tomorrow fleshing out the schedule and a good place for ideas. for now just "attendees" section :) 16:49:58 yep 16:50:10 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-barcelona-schedule 16:51:04 If anyone has an OSA related (or other presentation), it would be useful to list items there. 16:51:12 good point 16:51:41 i'll be mentioning OSA in mine 16:53:03 okay, anything else for today? 16:53:18 one quick one 16:53:24 Anyone currently running ceph-backed cinder using OSA mitaka? 16:53:54 automagically: yup? 16:54:06 what's the question/issue? 16:54:29 I’ll bother you in #openstack-ansible post-meeting 16:54:34 Thx evrardjp 16:54:44 ok 16:55:11 automagically: we're running it in liberty 16:55:28 + we have lots of ceph expertise on hand. 16:55:36 i'll raise mine in openstack-ansible also its more a request for reviews :) 16:56:00 hah okay 16:56:03 i'll close it up 16:56:05 hehe andymccr 16:56:05 thanks everyone! 16:56:08 thanks 16:56:10 #endmeeting