16:01:37 <odyssey4me> #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting 16:01:38 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Dec 17 16:01:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:39 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:01:41 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' 16:01:53 <mattt> \o 16:01:56 <odyssey4me> #topic Agenda & rollcall 16:02:09 <oneswig> \o 16:02:15 <Sam-I-Am> yo 16:02:17 <Sam-I-Am> in two meetings at once 16:02:54 <palendae> o/ 16:05:10 <cloudnull> o/ 16:05:20 <cloudnull> though only 1/2 here... 16:06:42 <odyssey4me> #topic Mid-Cycle Meetup 16:07:01 <odyssey4me> I owe everyone an update. 16:07:13 <Sam-I-Am> yep 16:07:28 <odyssey4me> The majority response on the ML when asked about location gave a response that they either would prefer the UK, or don't mind if it's in the US or UK. 16:07:58 <odyssey4me> We have also been offered co-location of the mid-cycle at the Ops meetup in Manchester in mind-Feb. 16:08:43 <odyssey4me> I've suggested that we have some sessions dotted in between the Ops meetup, but that we largely would prefer to attend the Ops sessions to learn from them. 16:09:21 <odyssey4me> Basically I have general agreement from the Ops meetup that we'll have a few sessions in the Ops mid cycle, but that we'll have a full day immediately afterwards. 16:09:29 <mhayden> nice 16:09:31 <odyssey4me> The day after that is AnsibleFest in London. 16:09:34 <oneswig> sounds good to me 16:09:58 <odyssey4me> So basically it's Mon-Tue (Ops plus a sprinkle of OSA), Wed (OSA), Thu (AnsibleFest) 16:10:06 <odyssey4me> Fri - go home broken 16:10:07 <odyssey4me> :p 16:10:09 <Sam-I-Am> lol 16:10:17 <Sam-I-Am> makes it easier to plan a long trip 16:10:22 <javeriak_> late to the party, but hey folks 16:10:24 <Sam-I-Am> ops only for 2 days overseas is a bit rough for USers 16:10:27 <odyssey4me> o/ javeriak_ 16:10:34 <Sam-I-Am> or even o-a for a day 16:10:38 <palendae> Sam-I-Am: Well, it's the reverse usually for non-USers 16:10:46 <palendae> So evens out 16:10:54 <palendae> But yeah, a packed week is an easier argument 16:11:08 <odyssey4me> Given the situation that AnsibleFest is in London on Thu, it may be better for us to have our full day session at the Rackspace offices in Hayes, London. 16:11:52 <odyssey4me> Initially I was thinking of doing it in Manchester, but it may make more sense to do it on London. I'd like everyone's thoughts on what they'd prefer. 16:12:13 <mhayden> what's the travel like between manchester <-> London 16:12:14 <palendae> I'll abstain since I'm not sure I'll be able to go 16:12:34 <odyssey4me> Man <-> Lon is 4 hours by car or train, or ~1 hr by plane 16:12:34 <oneswig> If it's in London, not an early start as the Manchester OpenStack meetup is also that Tuesday night and I'd like to attend that too 16:13:08 <mhayden> odyssey4me: thanks -- gotta brush up on my UK geography 16:13:24 <mhayden> odyssey4me: not sure if i can swing travel, but your plan sounds good 16:14:16 <odyssey4me> oneswig oh, is there a Tue night party? 16:14:27 <oneswig> AFAIK 16:14:56 <oneswig> BTW Manchester-London more like 2.5-3 hours train, station-to-station, obviously way more door-to-door 16:15:01 <odyssey4me> well, I think I'd rather be late for AnsibleFest than for a day of hacking with you all :) 16:15:08 <mhayden> train fares look about 20-40 GBP between manchester/london, not bad 16:16:21 <odyssey4me> oneswig quite right, I think my 4 hours is from where I live door-to-door 16:17:03 <oneswig> Is there a venue readily available in Manchester? Otherwise it's a one-horse race anyway 16:17:35 <odyssey4me> oneswig I haven't confirmed availability. So far I've checked costs and verified that Rackspace is happy to cover those. 16:18:25 <odyssey4me> The location being the same place as the Ops meetup. I've found a room I think will be perfect - projected screen and it can be setup as a boardroom so that we can hack together, but also throw a screen up if need be. 16:18:53 <odyssey4me> cloudnull ping? 16:19:07 <odyssey4me> javeriak_ thoughts? 16:19:14 <odyssey4me> mattt thoughts? 16:19:42 <odyssey4me> hughsaunders andymccr ? 16:20:25 <mattt> thoughts on location? :) 16:20:30 <odyssey4me> yep 16:20:36 <javeriak_> hmm.. thinking, not sure i can swing travel then too; but it sounds good generally. So would everyone leave for London tues evening after the Ops sessions wind up 16:20:40 <mattt> seems logical doing it in manchester 16:21:07 <odyssey4me> mattt are you going to the Ops meetup? 16:21:16 <odyssey4me> javeriak_ Are you making it to the Ops meetup? 16:21:23 <mattt> odyssey4me: i haven't confirmed yet 16:21:24 <javeriak_> and i've lived in London, so I'm slightly more inclined towards that option as well :) 16:22:04 <javeriak_> If I'm traveling to UK then, I'd like to try to attend Ops too 16:22:16 <mattt> odyssey4me: would we need to pay for the room in manchester? presumably yes right? 16:23:02 <odyssey4me> mattt yep, but we have sponsorship from Rackspace for the room 16:24:19 <mattt> odyssey4me: all depends on how many people from ops summit are able to attend, if a large number then it may be cheaper to stay in manchester especially without the added cost 16:24:29 <mattt> (of travel) 16:25:11 <odyssey4me> mattt sure, but the primary focus for our focused day is for contributors and for work we decide to do... it's not really for newcomers 16:25:30 <odyssey4me> the sessions we do in between the Ops sessions can be more open 16:25:38 <mattt> odyssey4me: then i'd imagine london is more suitable, since a # of us are based there 16:26:05 <odyssey4me> that's not to say that newcomers aren't welcome, but it's just to say that we need to knuckle down and get our hands dirty :) 16:26:39 <mattt> javeriak_: would be great if you can make it! 16:27:08 <palendae> odyssey4me: dolphm was telling me there are some Intel folks that are looking at getting into OSA, I'll try to point them at the discussion 16:27:29 <odyssey4me> palendae great! 16:28:18 <odyssey4me> ok, so no major preference from anyone - but the venue in London might be more suitable overall 16:28:44 <odyssey4me> let me find out if the venue in Manchester even has the room I'd like available, then I'll feed back to the ML 16:28:53 <mattt> sounds good 16:29:09 <oneswig> My only preference is that if I get to Hayes by 12, it's not winding up... 16:29:20 <odyssey4me> if anyone has any further thoughts, concerns or preferences, please respond on the ML 16:29:43 <odyssey4me> oneswig nope, if you do end up being late then you can jump into whatever sessions are still going 16:29:46 <javeriak_> thanks mattt; just need to see what work & projects are like around then, and if i can be spared 16:30:15 <cloudnull> odyssey4me: pong 16:30:20 <cloudnull> sorry was afk 16:30:29 <odyssey4me> cloudnull check backscroll :) 16:32:25 <odyssey4me> cloudnull any thoughts before we move on? 16:32:50 <cloudnull> nope 16:32:55 <cloudnull> in the UK is good by me 16:33:21 * cloudnull goes to get travel approval ... 16:33:52 <odyssey4me> lol, so no preference between Manchester and Hayes for the dedicated OSA day between the Ops meetup and AnsibleFest? 16:35:05 <palendae> whi? 16:35:08 <palendae> Whoops 16:35:29 <odyssey4me> ok, we need to move on to the next topic 16:35:37 <odyssey4me> #topic Release Planning and Decisions 16:35:43 <hughsaunders> I would vote London 16:36:18 <odyssey4me> thanks hughsaunders 16:36:40 <odyssey4me> if you could prod andymccr for a vote, assuming he's in the office, then that'd be good :) 16:36:46 <hughsaunders> ansiblefest is in London, so people can come to both 16:36:46 <andymccr> i vote London 16:36:51 <andymccr> ^ that 16:36:53 <mattt> andymccr voted berlin :( 16:36:57 <odyssey4me> hahaha 16:37:13 <odyssey4me> alright, then we have a clear preference - I'll arrange accordingly 16:37:25 <odyssey4me> right, on to release items 16:37:32 <andymccr> berlin would be quite cool never been 16:37:56 <odyssey4me> we have two releases schedule for today/tomorrow: 12.0.3 (Liberty) and 11.2.7 (Kilo) 16:38:05 <odyssey4me> #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/11.2.7 16:38:12 <odyssey4me> #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/12.0.3 16:38:19 <Prithiv> have anyone tried the new flowclassifier patch 16:38:56 <odyssey4me> Is anyone aware of any release blockers for those? 16:39:02 <palendae> I am not 16:39:04 <odyssey4me> Prithiv ? 16:39:06 <mattt> not i 16:39:32 <Prithiv> yes 16:39:44 <d34dh0r53> nor i 16:40:00 <odyssey4me> Prithiv was that a question mentioned for this meeting? 16:40:06 <Prithiv> nope... 16:40:11 <odyssey4me> :) 16:40:22 <Prithiv> am just trying it out now.. was wondering is there anyone who have tried 16:40:53 <odyssey4me> Alright, so given that there are no release blockers for those I'll organise the release. 16:41:14 <odyssey4me> #action odyssey4me to release 11.2.7 and 12.0.3 16:41:25 <odyssey4me> #topic Holidays 16:41:44 <odyssey4me> I'd like to suggest that we suspend meetings until the second week of Jan. 16:41:50 <palendae> +1 16:41:58 <mhayden> +1 16:42:07 <BjoernT> +1 16:42:13 <odyssey4me> And also that our releases are suspended until two weeks after that (end of Jan), barring exceptional circumstances of course. 16:42:14 <javeriak_> +2 16:42:25 <hughsaunders> +1 16:42:25 <palendae> +1 16:42:31 <d34dh0r53> +1 16:42:41 <odyssey4me> Well, that settles it. :) 16:42:43 <d34dh0r53> to both 16:42:59 <palendae> I was gonna bring the meetings up if someone didn't :) 16:43:27 <palendae> Pretty sure a sizable percentage of my team will be gone at least 24 Dec 16:43:34 <mhayden> we're having the OSA holiday party at mattt's house, right? 16:43:38 <odyssey4me> #action everyone have a great holiday season, whether you're on holiday or not :) 16:44:08 <andymccr> so sweer 16:44:10 <andymccr> sweet 16:44:10 <andymccr> :D 16:44:21 <hughsaunders> awwww 16:44:24 <palendae> Get your telescopes from Aldi 16:44:28 <odyssey4me> #topic Open Discussion 16:44:49 <odyssey4me> Anyone want to raise anything in particular? 16:45:13 <oneswig> Is there a roadmap for moving to Ansible 2? 16:45:49 <odyssey4me> FYI to all, I'm on leave for the rest of the year. I am going to periodically check my email, so if you do need something from me then ping me via email. 16:46:04 <odyssey4me> oneswig jmccrory has been doing some testing on it, and submitting a few patches I see 16:46:32 <oneswig> I understand it may help with distro-abstraction, wonder when we could depend on it 16:46:35 <odyssey4me> but generally I think we're waiting until it releases before we dig into it 16:47:14 <d34dh0r53> any ideas as to when it's going to be released? I've only heard soon 16:47:24 <palendae> d34dh0r53: I've not heard much since summit 16:47:37 <palendae> haven't explicitly looked either, though 16:47:49 <odyssey4me> I heard a rumour that it was Jan, then moved back to Feb. Don't quote me on it though. 16:48:12 <palendae> Yeah, it's been bumped quite a bit 16:48:27 <odyssey4me> I think that, much like the next Ubuntu LTS, this will be a focal point for the next cycle... and not so much this cycle. 16:48:32 <palendae> Yeah 16:48:42 <palendae> I assume 16.04 is in very early stages 16:49:06 <palendae> But will be launching right around Summit time 16:49:17 <d34dh0r53> so that begs the question, 16.04 is slated for N? 16:49:28 <palendae> d34dh0r53: I think that's far, far more realistic than Mitaka 16:49:35 <odyssey4me> Unless we get a lot more hands on deck, we don't really have the hands to complete our current objectives, and those 16:49:42 <palendae> Because Mitaka closes out as 16.04 launches 16:49:47 <palendae> Yeah, what odyssey4me said 16:49:58 <logan-> just dropping in to say happy holidays everyone. thanks a ton for the great work on OSA! it has made a huge difference in my work as an operator working to get OS into production and the OSA community, not just the code, has been a big part of my positive experience. 16:50:14 <d34dh0r53> doesn't 14.04 go out of support then? so ~6 months on an unsupported distro? 16:50:19 <odyssey4me> :) thanks logan- 16:50:29 <d34dh0r53> happy holidays logan- 16:50:49 <palendae> d34dh0r53: Since 16.04 isn't going to be ready until at least April 2016, I'm not sure we'll be able to settle on a 'stable' version of it til then anyway 16:51:00 <odyssey4me> d34dh0r53 nope it just switches to maintenance mode: http://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life 16:51:16 <palendae> Yeah, canonical's LTS pretty long 16:51:20 <odyssey4me> ie no hardware related patches 16:51:22 <palendae> Something like 5 years 16:51:29 <palendae> I agree it's not great 16:51:31 <d34dh0r53> ahh, cool 16:51:45 <palendae> But even if we had tons of people, not sure we'd realistically get it in for Mitaka 16:51:56 <palendae> Just given the Ubuntu release windows vs OpenStack's 16:52:15 <d34dh0r53> I agree that Mitaka is unrealistic, just wasn't sure about the state of things in the transition from Mitaka to N 16:52:18 <oneswig> The two releases will have differences for OSA. Is there a mechanism in place for supporting both? 16:52:35 <palendae> oneswig: Was just wondering that too 16:52:39 <oneswig> Or is that part of the multi-OS project? 16:52:59 <odyssey4me> yeah, the multi-OS work can provide the scaffolding for that 16:53:05 <palendae> Makes sense 16:53:15 <palendae> The largest difference I know of will be upstart to systemd 16:53:24 <palendae> But I'm sure there's many small ones too 16:53:24 <oneswig> for sure 16:53:31 <odyssey4me> eg: vars, templates or tasks per distro, distro-version, etc 16:53:56 <palendae> Yeah, makes sense to roll that into multi-distro support 16:54:06 <palendae> And consider a version of a distro as an almost separate distro itself 16:55:03 <oneswig> I would hope to reduce the vars per version to be the essence of any differences, avoiding duplication 16:55:11 <odyssey4me> yep, we have a bit of that in the bootstrap-host role already.... it's been structured in a way that we can easily add another distro or distro-version 16:56:07 <odyssey4me> oneswig, we the vars per distro/distro-version will largely be package lists 16:56:33 <oneswig> ah ok 16:56:44 <odyssey4me> well, that's as far as I've seen so far :) 16:56:56 <odyssey4me> I'm sure there are more surprises around the corner 16:58:26 <odyssey4me> alright, I think that about wraps it up for today 16:58:43 <odyssey4me> thank you all for your time, and have a great time over the new year! 16:59:21 <odyssey4me> #endmeeting