15:01:09 #startmeeting openstack_ansible_meeting 15:01:09 Meeting started Tue Dec 7 15:01:09 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is noonedeadpunk. 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I think we should also just drop jobs for non-stream centos 8. Not sure if that has been pushed or not... 15:07:42 yes I pushed that as well 15:08:01 sooooo tempted to follow up with dropping distro install jobs too 15:08:02 We probably should backport that to previous branches? 15:08:38 btw we have pretty fresh bug report for them https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1950798 15:08:46 so seems ppl use them :p 15:08:46 maybe we just remove the zuul jobs there, as people might still fight on with centos-8 15:09:04 yeah, I was thinking about jsut removing CI checks for 8 15:09:13 as this is last thing I want to fight for 15:09:25 ah right - my patch for master is total removal, not just the CI 15:09:31 ah, ok 15:09:47 I can rework that though to make a backportable part for the CI 15:10:58 Um, you haven't cleaned jobs in https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible/+/820854 15:11:17 I'd say that we should jsut split zuul changes in a backportable thing... 15:11:27 but we can make specific patch for stable as well 15:12:04 or can leave it at all and drop when they start failing... 15:12:45 Just in case - let's not merge these cleanup patches until we branch integrated repo 15:13:00 it would be really bad if we do.... 15:14:09 oh the bionic and lentos removal is a bit mixed up 15:14:12 I will fix that 15:14:17 *centos 15:15:10 ah, indeed, I see now 15:17:15 `dnf search python3-virtualenv` 15:17:22 `No matches found.` 15:17:26 doh 15:17:29 centos 9? 15:17:29 well that's not got very far at all :) 15:17:32 yeah 15:17:37 epel? 15:18:00 or it's supposed to be python3-venv? 15:18:25 or only python since 2.x is over now.. 15:18:37 well this works `python3 -m venv foo` 15:19:53 um, and what mirrors are there? see no 9-stream here http://mirror.centos.org/centos/ 15:20:23 there was talk of this in the infra channel, I think somehow the mirror structure is changed, but I have no idea yet how 15:20:32 I guess we should have moved from virtualenv for several years now.... I'm surprised it still worked tbh 15:21:05 and what is set in yum.repos.d? 15:21:30 I really hope it's not rdo structure of repos.... 15:22:04 Merged openstack/openstack-ansible stable/victoria: Bump OpenStack-Ansible Victoria https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible/+/820547 15:22:07 Merged openstack/openstack-ansible stable/wallaby: Bump OpenStack-Ansible Wallaby https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible/+/820529 15:22:10 Merged openstack/openstack-ansible stable/ussuri: Bump OpenStack-Ansible Ussuri https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible/+/820604 15:22:19 oh, zuul got unstuck 15:22:25 stuff like metalink=https://mirrors.centos.org/metalink?repo=centos-baseos-$stream&arch=$basearch&protocol=https,http 15:22:35 ok, it's rdo way... 15:24:07 again this comes to the question of who maintains centos and disto installs, as none of the regular contributors are using any of this 15:24:51 well tbh distro didn't take any of our time for last $n cycles? 15:24:56 and kolla drop distro installs on account of not having enough effort 15:25:10 yeah, centos distro is broken, but spatel pushed fix for them 15:25:11 not really, it's just more surface area 15:26:44 regarding centos I dunno... 15:27:20 inner part of me really wish to drop it.... 15:27:29 if you guys think we should keep centos around then i can put some hours.. 15:27:38 likewise, but here I am booting a vm :( 15:27:46 is it good for project? don't think so 15:27:53 now i am also moving away from centos so little hard to keep up 15:28:39 I was going to boot right after release as well 15:28:51 but since you already done that :P 15:29:02 I can't get git-review to work 15:29:23 as usual its totally unclear if a make a stupid mistake with keys or something, or it really doesn't work 15:29:41 um, I saw ML that new git-review doesn't work against gerrit 15:30:52 `git-review broken by git version 2.34.0` 15:31:11 http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-November/025817.html 15:31:42 it might be smth shipped with stream-9? 15:31:48 bleeding edge? 15:32:38 this days I feel myself old tbh, as I start being nostalgic about days that passed.... 15:32:50 lol 15:32:53 with old structured repos, virtualenv, etc... 15:34:53 I have some feeling that centos 9 distro would be easier to make working then source.... 15:35:22 Yes RDO make that much easier 15:37:42 if only they already have packages built for it hehe 15:38:32 RDO is very active community and even tripleO also using them to build. 15:39:27 we can't completely drop centos/stream from OSA (because its kind of popular distro) 15:39:58 yeah, I tend to agree here, despite I don't really like this 15:41:00 if source is hard to keep up then we can keep distro version around 15:41:30 I don't want to diverge 15:41:39 Like ubuntu = source, centos = distro 15:41:49 that's really bad... 15:42:27 then only option left to keep it both kind 15:43:22 I believe big reason for centos mess is transition from centos7 --> centos8 --> stream 15:43:44 I'd say it;s centos itself :) 15:43:50 we should remove all centos stuff and just stay on centos stream 9 15:44:03 as with any new release they bring breaking changes that are not workaroundable 15:44:09 and change policies too fast 15:44:33 agreed but that is what we have to deal with. 15:44:49 I love Rocky Linux which is really 100% alternative of centos 15:45:02 like btrfs, whole stream thing, not publishing libs for all supported bython versions - like having py3.8 but not having libselinux for it 15:45:25 +1 15:45:37 and I'm not sure that Rocky has smth different wrt these points 15:47:40 so what should we do now? 15:48:09 struggle I believe 15:48:30 let's see what it comes with el9 15:48:54 but we don't have EL9 CI job right? 15:49:16 no we don't now 15:51:06 i will try to install centos stream 9 and see how it goes 15:51:32 jrosser: already does that just in case 15:52:14 good to know :) 15:52:26 lol https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/9/Everything/x86_64/Packages/ 15:52:55 I know not to waste my time any further now 15:53:14 lol /Everything/ 15:54:00 may be their repos are not in sync yet.. 15:57:25 jrosser: epel now uses metalinks as well.... 15:57:37 like metalink=https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=epel-$releasever&arch=$basearch&infra=$infra&content=$contentdir 15:57:52 so I have no idea how to look through packages.... 15:58:19 DNF should be able to list packages from specific repo 15:59:24 And on that terrible disappointment... 15:59:27 #endmeeting