15:00:15 <noonedeadpunk> #startmeeting openstack_ansible_meeting 15:00:15 <opendevmeet> Meeting started Tue Dec 13 15:00:15 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is noonedeadpunk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:15 <opendevmeet> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:15 <opendevmeet> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' 15:00:20 <noonedeadpunk> #topic rollcall 15:00:24 <noonedeadpunk> o/ 15:00:36 <damiandabrowski> hi! 15:01:43 <jamesdenton> o/ 15:02:13 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_magnum stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_magnum/+/867454 15:02:43 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_tacker stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_tacker/+/867488 15:02:44 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_rally stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_rally/+/867476 15:02:51 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_sahara stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_sahara/+/867479 15:03:09 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_keystone stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_keystone/+/867451 15:03:43 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_murano stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_murano/+/867464 15:03:55 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-repo_server stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-repo_server/+/867503 15:04:31 <noonedeadpunk> #topic office hours 15:04:34 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-rabbitmq_server stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-rabbitmq_server/+/867500 15:04:40 <noonedeadpunk> hey everyone 15:04:56 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-plugins stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-plugins/+/867497 15:04:57 <noonedeadpunk> I would be a bit hard to do the meeting tbh because of all things that will land 15:05:20 <opendevreview> Dmitriy Rabotyagov proposed openstack/openstack-ansible-os_barbican stable/zed: Add /healthcheck to main https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_barbican/+/867299 15:05:34 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_placement stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_placement/+/867473 15:05:35 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_swift stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_swift/+/867484 15:05:40 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_heat stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_heat/+/867443 15:05:41 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_neutron stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_neutron/+/867466 15:05:57 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_ironic stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_ironic/+/867448 15:06:02 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_nova stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_nova/+/867468 15:06:07 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_senlin stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_senlin/+/867481 15:06:13 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_mistral stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_mistral/+/867461 15:06:16 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_horizon stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_horizon/+/867446 15:06:21 <damiandabrowski> haha :D 15:06:24 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_cloudkitty stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_cloudkitty/+/867433 15:06:29 <noonedeadpunk> I think we actually need to introduce freeze date for new features we want to land to the OSA 15:06:42 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-openstack_openrc stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-openstack_openrc/+/867412 15:06:43 <noonedeadpunk> And I'd suggest setting it to the opensatck coordinated release date 15:06:47 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_octavia stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_octavia/+/867471 15:06:53 <noonedeadpunk> uhg 15:06:53 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_trove stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_trove/+/867493 15:07:13 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/ansible-role-uwsgi stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-role-uwsgi/+/867383 15:07:46 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_gnocchi stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_gnocchi/+/867441 15:08:20 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_ceilometer stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_ceilometer/+/867428 15:08:24 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_blazar stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_blazar/+/867425 15:08:25 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_designate stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_designate/+/867436 15:08:27 <jrosser> o/ hello 15:08:30 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_aodh stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_aodh/+/867420 15:08:32 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_masakari stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_masakari/+/867458 15:08:37 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/ansible-role-zookeeper stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-role-zookeeper/+/867386 15:08:55 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_cinder stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_cinder/+/867430 15:08:59 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_zun stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_zun/+/867495 15:09:32 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_manila stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_manila/+/867456 15:09:36 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-openstack_hosts stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-openstack_hosts/+/867409 15:09:58 <jamesdenton> what date are you thinking? 15:10:24 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_glance stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_glance/+/867439 15:10:27 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/ansible-role-systemd_mount stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-role-systemd_mount/+/867374 15:10:48 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-apt_package_pinning stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-apt_package_pinning/+/867389 15:11:28 <noonedeadpunk> I was actually thinking openstack release date. So that after coordinated release we just took time for checking how our configs/deployment looks like in terms of bugs/optimizations, being able to bump versions of software, etc 15:11:35 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-memcached_server stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-memcached_server/+/867406 15:11:36 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-lxc_container_create stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-lxc_container_create/+/867400 15:11:41 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-tests stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-tests/+/867506 15:11:45 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-lxc_hosts stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-lxc_hosts/+/867403 15:11:50 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-ops stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-ops/+/867415 15:12:02 <noonedeadpunk> As we're really releasing in quite a rush now and not absolutely sure about how healthy it's going to be 15:12:03 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/ansible-role-pki stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-role-pki/+/867365 15:12:23 <noonedeadpunk> But maybe we should take like PTG+2weeks from it? 15:12:34 <jrosser> i am concerned that we landed OVN so near to release 15:12:48 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_adjutant stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_adjutant/+/867417 15:12:48 <jrosser> and that we have ~2 people who have first clue about it 15:13:42 <noonedeadpunk> I'm more concerned that all our docs that showing networking are not relevant with ovn 15:13:49 <NeilHanlon> o/ I was gonna say sorry I'm late but I see opendevreview had other plans for the beginning portion of the meeting 15:13:55 <jamesdenton> i am working on that, albeit slower than i'd like 15:14:16 <jamesdenton> but hopefully by... next week? maybe even this week? i can have some initial updates there 15:14:24 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-galera_server stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-galera_server/+/867394 15:14:31 <NeilHanlon> I can commit some time to helping with docs 15:14:38 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/ansible-role-systemd_service stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-role-systemd_service/+/867380 15:14:55 <noonedeadpunk> Well, in AIO docs I've placed lxb to scenario, so that it would match 15:15:18 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-haproxy_server stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-haproxy_server/+/867397 15:15:21 <jamesdenton> one update begets another update, begets another... it's a slippery slope 15:15:26 <NeilHanlon> oh no the ascii diagram needs to change! 15:15:50 <jamesdenton> we discussed maybe using draw.io moving forward 15:15:54 <noonedeadpunk> Yes... Changing diagrams is very slippery thing 15:16:28 <noonedeadpunk> oh, yes, I think using draw.io might be good thing. Any thoughts? 15:17:05 <NeilHanlon> i've used draw.io before and it is nice. there's also the option of defining it programatically e.g. using planUML or Mermaid or something 15:17:21 <noonedeadpunk> We can also upload it's source code in XML to being able to edit later on 15:17:25 <NeilHanlon> harder initial uplift, but possibly easier to maintain in the long run (?) 15:17:26 <jrosser> draw.io+++ becasue it contains the actial drawing inside the png 15:17:26 <damiandabrowski> +1 15:17:46 <jrosser> like the source code is a special field inside even though it's a bitmap file 15:17:55 <jamesdenton> alright then, it's settled. jrosser will redo all drawings in draw.io 15:17:59 <noonedeadpunk> Ok, sweet. Then I will push a documentation patch for contributors on guidelines for diagram 15:17:59 <jrosser> hahahaha 15:18:00 <NeilHanlon> :D 15:18:03 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/ansible-role-qdrouterd stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-role-qdrouterd/+/867371 15:18:34 <noonedeadpunk> #agreed use graw.io as a diagram tooling 15:19:12 <noonedeadpunk> jrosser: regarding OVN... yeah, that's concerning me as well. On the bright side - good opprotininty to learn on other deployments :D 15:19:17 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/ansible-role-systemd_networkd stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-role-systemd_networkd/+/867377 15:19:28 <jrosser> btw is there some "getting started" to how openstack uses .rst files 15:19:43 <noonedeadpunk> As eventually I won't be able to invest time to learning it otherwise 15:19:46 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-ceph_client stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-ceph_client/+/867392 15:19:54 <jrosser> simple things like reference one page of docs from another 15:20:33 <jamesdenton> Well, TBH, i would say we don't have a lot of operational documentation for LXB or OVS today. But we could stand to provide some for OVN moving forward, as there is a lot more exposed there. But the plumbing is very much like OVS 15:20:34 <noonedeadpunk> Um, not sure. I usually jsut google that or check sphinx docs 15:20:53 <NeilHanlon> i've only ever learned markdown and fumble my way around the rest 15:21:09 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/ansible-hardening stable/zed: Update .gitreview for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-hardening/+/867362 15:24:48 <noonedeadpunk> I think tests repo can be merged only after branching of integrated one, right? 15:26:13 <jamesdenton> I am targeting this doc: https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible/latest/reference/architecture/container-networking.html, and will have a new one for baremetal networking (no LXC). Also will be targeting this one: https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/openstack-ansible/latest/targethosts.html. The os_neutron repo might benefit from diagrams, too, as i don't think we have any. 15:26:28 <jamesdenton> but if there's something i've missed or you think could be updated, let me know 15:28:56 <noonedeadpunk> https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible/latest/user/network-arch/example.html ? :) 15:29:34 <jrosser> https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible/latest/user/prod/provnet_groups.html 15:29:53 <noonedeadpunk> plenty of stuff we need to update/review tbh 15:30:26 <jrosser> https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible/latest/user/prod/example.html 15:30:47 <jamesdenton> yes yes 15:30:49 <jamesdenton> i'll open them all and try to knock them out 15:31:02 <noonedeadpunk> I'm not saying you should do that alone :) 15:31:15 <jamesdenton> i do think https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible/latest/user/prod/example.html could be broken up per supported driver (lxb,ovs,ovn) 15:31:17 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_keystone stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_keystone/+/867452 15:31:22 <jamesdenton> sure, of course, noonedeadpunk 15:31:27 <noonedeadpunk> I'd say deploy-guide and some arch might be good for start 15:31:37 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_swift stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_swift/+/867485 15:31:53 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_nova stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_nova/+/867469 15:32:07 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_rally stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_rally/+/867477 15:32:13 <noonedeadpunk> at least it mentions rsyslog that's dead now 15:32:24 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-openstack_hosts stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-openstack_hosts/+/867410 15:32:25 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_blazar stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_blazar/+/867426 15:32:34 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-repo_server stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-repo_server/+/867504 15:32:56 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_heat stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_heat/+/867444 15:33:15 <jamesdenton> i've got stuff in motion that i will wrap up today, then come back to deploy guide 15:34:04 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_cloudkitty stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_cloudkitty/+/867434 15:35:04 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_senlin stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_senlin/+/867482 15:35:14 <noonedeadpunk> btw, does anyone plan to be on next summit in Canada? 15:35:17 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_designate stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_designate/+/867437 15:35:21 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_cinder stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_cinder/+/867431 15:36:06 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_mistral stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_mistral/+/867462 15:36:24 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-rabbitmq_server stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-rabbitmq_server/+/867501 15:37:36 <jamesdenton> i am making arrangements to be there 15:38:29 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_masakari stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_masakari/+/867459 15:38:38 <noonedeadpunk> As I was going to signup for project onboarding forum and I guess it should be possible to add co-speakers there 15:39:01 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_placement stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_placement/+/867474 15:39:37 <noonedeadpunk> I'm making arrangements as well, but in the end I'm not sure about result, as first need visa, and second it might be tough for me travel outside of EU by summer - actually dunno what will be and where I will be on summer 15:40:21 <jamesdenton> understandable 15:40:44 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_ironic stable/zed: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/zed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_ironic/+/867449 15:40:45 <opendevreview> Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_ironic stable/zed: Updated from OpenStack Ansible Tests https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_ironic/+/867509 15:41:38 <noonedeadpunk> So would be great if someone wants to be signed up as well for the project onboarding and is going to be on site 15:42:07 <jamesdenton> i'm happy to help you 15:42:13 <noonedeadpunk> sweet! 15:42:37 <noonedeadpunk> thanks! 15:42:52 <jamesdenton> sure :) 15:43:24 <jamesdenton> thoughts on br-vxlan vs br-overlay? 15:43:53 <jamesdenton> seems br-vxlan sort of pigeon-holes us to vxlan when things like geneve+ are available 15:45:01 <damiandabrowski> i think you're right 15:45:05 <noonedeadpunk> yup, true 15:45:50 <jrosser> we also use `tunnel` in some places 15:46:13 <jamesdenton> br-tunnel? 15:46:21 <jamesdenton> or just tunnel vs overlay 15:47:04 <jrosser> like here https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/6f33665bd3bcc97a68537d0eb66b3cd6b51229de/etc/openstack_deploy/openstack_user_config.yml.aio.j2#L13 15:47:21 <jamesdenton> ahh yes 15:47:37 <jrosser> we should probably have just the one word for it :) 15:47:41 <jamesdenton> true 15:47:48 <jrosser> don't really mind which tbh 15:47:54 <noonedeadpunk> me neither 15:48:01 <jamesdenton> ok, i'll flip a coin :D 15:48:17 <jamesdenton> tunnel may be better, as to not change cidr_networks 15:48:28 <jamesdenton> i'll try to add notes that reference the old naming 15:48:35 <jrosser> yeah i was just wondering what would happen to the inventory if that changed 15:48:54 <jamesdenton> prob best just to avoid that 15:49:14 <noonedeadpunk> ++ 15:52:20 <noonedeadpunk> ok, sweet. I will continue with branching integrated repo and releasing 15:52:47 <jamesdenton> is it too late to shoehorn the OVN octavia provider driver in? 15:52:57 <noonedeadpunk> It is :D 15:53:15 <jamesdenton> alright. AA it is 15:53:33 <noonedeadpunk> I was looking at it. But it's not capable of L7 iirc? 15:53:47 <jamesdenton> it's not, at least not right now 15:54:54 <noonedeadpunk> I think we're also missing AZ deployment for OVN 15:55:26 <jamesdenton> yes, i think you're right 15:55:32 <noonedeadpunk> there was some DNM patch, but it was quite far from what needs to be done 15:56:16 <mgariepy> https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_neutron/+/858271 15:56:17 <jamesdenton> the configuration seems pretty straightforward, but we don't have a way to change ovn-cms-options 15:56:17 <mgariepy> this one. 15:56:42 <noonedeadpunk> yup 15:57:03 <mgariepy> sorry i was busy somewhere else :D haha 15:57:30 <jamesdenton> another issue for another time 15:58:46 <noonedeadpunk> yeah, but thinking about it make me sad actually, as I wasn't able to see a neat way to implement that 15:59:04 <noonedeadpunk> but anyway 16:00:03 <noonedeadpunk> #endmeeting