16:00:36 <j^2> #startmeeting openstack-chef 16:00:37 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Sep 28 16:00:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:39 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:41 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' 16:00:43 <j^2> ah nice, your here 16:00:47 <j^2> #chair jklare 16:00:49 <openstack> Current chairs: j^2 jklare 16:00:54 <j^2> it’s all you buddy 16:01:19 <jklare> ok then 16:01:34 <jklare> i guess we will wait some minutes till everybody is here :) 16:02:04 <j^2> :D 16:02:53 <jklare> anything you want to discuss j^2 ? since we have no official agenda for today 16:03:21 <sc`> o/ 16:03:43 <j^2> nothing off the top of my head, i think we’re all in all on a good path. our reviews are going through pretty quickly 16:03:44 <sc`> i'm back from the dead! :D 16:03:48 <j^2> yay! 16:04:06 <jklare> cool 16:04:16 <jklare> they did not eat your brain i hope? 16:04:30 <sc`> nope. all appears intact 16:04:38 <jklare> great :) 16:04:51 <j^2> Hey, watching “Fear the walking dead” tells me otherwise 16:05:00 <j^2> you’re in LA aren’t you Sam? 16:05:06 <jklare> ^^ 16:05:07 <j^2> oh wait, bay area that’s right 16:05:08 <sc`> no, nut i was 16:05:11 <sc`> bay area 16:05:18 <j^2> :D 16:05:36 <jklare> any topics from your side sc` ? 16:05:49 <sc`> on the centos front, i have nothing new to update. liberty requires even more repos than kilo, and none of them are what we have in -common 16:07:48 <j^2> great 16:08:09 <jklare> i would like to talk a bit about the refactoring during this cycle and would be more than happy for suggestions for core features/bugs we should add/remove during this cycle 16:08:19 <j^2> there’s been announcements about rcs so we should be seeing upstream pkgs for liberty soon right? 16:08:30 <j^2> jklare: +1 16:08:51 <sc`> hopefully. there are packages out there, but shoehorning it into chef has proven trickier than initially thought 16:09:14 <jklare> #topic refactoring during liberty cycle 16:09:46 <jklare> so basically the most of my ideas is already in the spec that got merged recently 16:09:56 <jklare> http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-chef-specs/specs/liberty/all/refactor_config_templates.html 16:10:02 <sc`> i'll try to sit in on this week's rdo packaging meeting 16:10:12 <j^2> yep, they are solid, but the challenge is that it’s gonna be….a lot of work right? 16:10:30 <jklare> since this is a quite big spec, i think we should follow markvans suggestion and break it down into blueprints 16:10:54 <sc`> agreed. what, one bp per project? 16:11:00 <jklare> i think so 16:11:26 <j^2> that seems not horrible 16:11:31 <jklare> but we might need to fix our integration testing before we can actually start working on any bp 16:11:38 <j^2> but skip the spec process with it, just make the bp 16:11:48 <jklare> ^^+1 16:12:35 <jklare> because i think as long as our integration testing is not working, we should not start refacoring such big parts of cookbooks 16:12:47 <sc`> yeah. we need to get integration up and going 16:12:53 <jklare> did anybody look at this yet? 16:13:01 <sc`> otherwise, refactoring will be like shooting in the dark 16:13:32 <sc`> i'm just getting back into things. haven't looked much into anything the past week or so 16:13:49 <j^2> yeah i haven’t touched the int tests either 16:14:01 <j^2> i can spend some cycles today though between some meetings 16:14:11 <jklare> ok, so maybe we can make this our main goal until next week? 16:14:21 <j^2> seems reasonable 16:14:37 <j^2> thats the main gate before other projects can start working 16:14:54 <jklare> and in parallel i will try to write down a first blueprint with all the working steps for the compute cookbook 16:16:09 <jklare> more suggestions or comments on this topic? 16:16:40 <j^2> not here 16:16:40 * markvan hi 16:16:49 <jklare> howdy 16:16:52 <jklare> ;) 16:17:04 <sc`> hi markvan 16:17:48 <markvan> seems like int testing it close, but need to have it working to start getting benefits 16:18:09 <j^2> markvan: yep, that’s our goal for this week :D 16:18:35 <jklare> yeah, basically getting liberty to run on something would be my next topic here i guess 16:19:02 <jklare> #topic running liberty (and integration testing) on trusty? 16:19:23 <j^2> simply said, +1 :P 16:19:51 <jklare> so i have absolutely no experience in running liberty on trusty, but know that it works (with some pain) on vivid 16:20:24 <j^2> yeah i haven’t looked at it either. I don’t think they have an install guide written yet either 16:21:22 <jklare> imo the question here is if and when we want to make the switch to systemd on ubuntu and what our plan for the other distros is 16:21:38 <markvan> I have not looked at the other gates latey, have they now switched to vivid for liberty? 16:21:55 <jklare> package i don't think so 16:21:56 <j^2> they shouldn’t be, vivid isn’t LTS 16:22:42 <sc`> isn't wily shipping with liberty? 16:23:33 <jklare> not sure 16:25:18 <j^2> yeah i’m not seeing anything obvious stated either 16:26:18 <jklare> i think package wise we would be a lot faster if we went for wily, but ofc that is not an lts and also means a big switch to systemd 16:26:43 <jklare> and also i am not sure when and if we would acutally get wily instances from infra 16:26:51 <sc`> yeah. last lts is 14.04 iirc 16:27:00 <jklare> yep 16:27:39 <jklare> so stick with 14.04 and feel the full pain of the ubuntu package release management for openstack? 16:28:26 <sc`> i'd say go with what gets us the path of least resistance 16:28:31 <j^2> i think that’s our only option 16:28:45 <j^2> because that’s what the other projects are going to be doing 16:29:11 <jklare> agreed 16:29:58 <jklare> more thoughts on this? 16:30:22 <sc`> none here. seems pretty clear 16:31:02 <j^2> nope 16:31:55 <jklare> ok, one last topic from my side (which is super old) 16:32:28 <j^2> :D 16:32:41 <jklare> #topic synchronous communication meetings 16:32:52 <jklare> we have not talked about this in quite some time 16:33:08 <j^2> nope 16:33:48 <jklare> but for me this is still something that is/was important for us working together and syncing up 16:33:55 <j^2> makes sense 16:35:24 <sc`> any thoughts on how to improve it? right now, we just have this hour. everything else is async 16:35:50 <jklare> imho we need something like the hangouts sessions back 16:36:55 <jklare> and i think for the project flow itself this would be more important than beeing part of the big tent (not saying that i think we should leave it) 16:37:37 <sc`> is there something we could use that is more transparent than hangouts? 16:38:24 <jklare> there are hundrets of videochat solutions out there i guess, question is if we want to invest time into finding the best one for us, or if we think its not that important 16:39:38 <sc`> i'm in agreement that we need more synchronous communication, given the time differences, but i'm just trying to think of something that would work with the project being part of the big tent. we ditched hangouts as a provision of moving to the big tent 16:40:52 <sc`> fwiw, i'm around most hours of my evenings until pretty late, just focusing on other things 16:41:45 <jklare> j^2: markvan ? 16:41:48 <j^2> yeah i got nothing when it comes to synchronous meetings 16:42:13 <j^2> officially speaking we can’t santion one, that’s was one of the agreements for being part of the “big tent" 16:42:23 <j^2> IRC should be “good enough" 16:42:51 <sc`> it is, but there often goes some days when nothing is said in the channel 16:42:53 <markvan> yeah I miss the face to face hangouts, but maybe we should focus on better irc meetings 16:43:27 <sc`> given the size of the channel, it can be a bit confusing at first 16:43:37 <j^2> sc`: yeah it’s frustrating nothing happening said in the irc channel 16:43:41 <jklare> markvan: sounds good, any thoughts on what we should improve? 16:43:46 <markvan> we could meet a bit more often, but for shorter times and try to get a small agenda to focus on. 16:44:28 <sc`> i lurk on other channels and there are certain folks i see that make themselves available beyond a standard work day, but i'd hate to mandate something like that 16:45:07 <sc`> given that it's all volunteer-driven, i'm not sure it could be 16:46:16 <jklare> how about everyday at 15:00 UTC for 10mins in our own channel? you all throw the topics you want to dicuss at me during the day/night and i can put together a short agenda for each evening 16:46:51 <jklare> ofc we can substitue me in this case with an etherpad or something 16:47:35 <jklare> 13min left for this meeting btw 16:48:16 <j^2> yeah i thin it would be nice to have that sync, but maybe just wed/fri? not force it everyday that sometimes’ll be over kill? 16:48:28 <j^2> but at the same time, if no progress is made, then the sync you can say no progress 16:48:31 <j^2> i dunno 16:49:04 <markvan> that concept sounds like a good way to try to sync more often 16:50:18 <sc`> definitely worth trying 16:51:42 <j^2> cool, so 1500UTC tomorrow then? 16:51:51 <jklare> sounds good, lets try meeting tomorrow 15:00 UTC in the #openstack-chef channel and i will prepare an etherpad for this 16:52:15 <markvan> k 16:52:22 <j^2> awesome 16:52:34 <jklare> any more topics for the last 8mins? 16:53:04 <sc`> packagers need to be consistent with naming things 16:53:11 <sc`> keystone.wsgi vs wsgi.py is maddening 16:53:19 <jklare> :) 16:55:11 <markvan> yeah, I see some discussion on openstack trying to create generic packages and push that across the platforms 16:55:29 <markvan> not sure how far that will actually get, seems like an up hill battle 16:55:58 <j^2> yep 16:56:15 <markvan> (Solum project0 16:57:33 <jklare> i think we have to take this discussion to our channel 16:57:41 <j^2> yep 16:57:50 <sc`> yup. we're about at time 16:57:59 <jklare> thanks for attending 16:58:03 <j^2> :D 16:58:13 <jklare> #endmeeting