16:00:29 <jklare> #startmeeting openstack_chef
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16:00:40 <jklare> hi all
16:00:45 <calbers> hi
16:01:24 <jklare> i will wait some minutes for more people to join :)
16:01:26 <sc`> hi!
16:01:29 <jklare> yay
16:01:35 <jklare> hi sc`
16:02:10 <sc`> morning/afternoon
16:03:01 <jklare> i guess we can start with our first and probably most important topic
16:03:28 <jklare> #topic we need more active contributors
16:04:06 <jklare> currently we are down a max of 5 people in our meetings
16:04:55 <jklare> and although the we have made some progress regarding the designate cookbook and the refactoring process, the whole work is down to only a few people
16:05:15 <jklare> which is "not ideal"
16:05:36 <sc`> the main issue i see is that most folks that are active consumers are taking a point in time snapshot and working off of that
16:05:55 <sc`> so they're not even looking towards master developments
16:06:49 <jklare> sure, but usually you would come back from time to time to get the hot new stuff
16:07:27 <sc`> depends. out of my team, i'm the only one keeping up with the project's goings on
16:07:29 <j^2> hey guys
16:07:43 <j^2> i'm sick so i'm not happy :(
16:07:56 <sc`> 'tis the season
16:08:13 <jklare> i was thinking about maybe contacting the users commitee and ask them if we can start a short survey to figure out if people are acutally interested in using the cookbooks
16:08:19 <jklare> so we could design the survey
16:08:39 <j^2> jklare: they already have it as part of the survey
16:08:51 <j^2> it's in the report
16:08:52 <jklare> i guess they asked if people are using chef
16:09:01 <j^2> yeah that's the best well get out of them
16:10:18 <jklare> i think we need more detailed information
16:10:25 <markvan_> hi
16:10:29 <jklare> hi
16:10:40 <jklare> and i guess that we could design a more detailed survey
16:10:45 <j^2> jklare: yeah and i don't think they'll do that
16:10:55 <jklare> question is if we can get people to answer this survey
16:10:59 <j^2> from what i've been apart of the UC doesnt have that granulaity
16:10:59 <sc`> there needs to be a better understanding as to who is actually using the cookbooks and would be interested in the continued development
16:11:08 <sc`> surveys are nice, but they're totally opt-in
16:11:22 <jklare> any other ideas on how to figure that out?
16:11:28 <j^2> not a damn thing
16:11:36 <sc`> unfortunately not
16:11:52 <j^2> we have to just "continue" and push forward, make something for _us_ and if other want to join they will
16:12:00 <j^2> it's becoming this over time
16:12:07 <j^2> unless you speak up you'll get what we create
16:12:51 <jklare> yeah, but that sounds more like making people angry and then come and shout at us
16:13:07 <jklare> its not an active process of getting people involved
16:13:37 <sc`> we don't get much in the way of foot traffic on the ml or in the channel, unless someone hits a wtf moment or is just totally in the wrong channel
16:13:46 <j^2> well as we all know we don't have involement right now, so even negitive involvement is better then no involement
16:15:09 <jklare> not sure about that
16:15:12 <jklare> but well
16:15:22 <sc`> even the complainers are better than nothing at all
16:15:53 <jklare> how about trying to put some basic presentation together, that all of us can use and present whenever possible
16:16:05 <jklare> i was thinking about giving one in some user groups
16:16:10 <jklare> like the openstack one
16:16:13 <jklare> and the chef one
16:16:14 <sc`> that might be a good thing to do. get some meatspace involvement in our local user groups
16:16:18 <jklare> and the devops one
16:16:47 <jklare> so like a short presentation on how cool it is to deploy a aio_neutron with our cookbooks
16:17:07 <sc`> it's extremely inconvenient for me to attend meetups in my local area, but i can try to carve out some time to put on the sales hat
16:18:06 <sc`> aio_neutron is a quick enough thing where one can kick off the build at the beginning of a presentation and end with showing off horizon or nova boot
16:18:26 <jklare> yeah
16:18:32 <jklare> exactly
16:18:57 <j^2> nice
16:19:20 <j^2> yeah like what i did i the model-t presenation? but positive not the "OH SHIT" converstation
16:21:06 <jklare> i am very short on time right now, but i guess i can try to put up some slides in the next weeks whenever i have some minutes
16:21:26 <j^2> to quote sc` "tis the season"
16:21:39 <sc`> :D
16:21:50 <sc`> i like where things are going
16:21:54 <jklare> you do?
16:22:19 <sc`> we need to do the sales-y thing to get active contributors
16:22:20 <j^2> any free cycles are going to be decicated to what i wanted to talk about here actually
16:22:57 <j^2> it seems i've been nominated to be on the ballot for OpenStack Board of Directors
16:23:06 <j^2> i actually have a real shot at it
16:23:28 <sc`> do you have enough nominations?
16:23:32 <j^2> yep
16:23:34 <j^2> and more so
16:23:35 <sc`> nice :D
16:23:49 <j^2> i've had people come to me and say they wanted to nominate me but couldn't
16:24:06 <j^2> people i don't even know
16:24:16 <sc`> wow. really cool
16:24:20 <j^2> :D
16:25:24 <jklare> sounds great
16:25:47 <j^2> can i ask yall to look something over for me?
16:26:50 <sc`> sure
16:26:50 <jklare> ?
16:28:05 <j^2> nice, i have a doc, for my "answers for the ballot" I'll add you to a repo and post it there. Would you mind putting PRs against it for anything ranging from horrible grammar to odd wording?
16:28:58 <jklare> i will try to take a look at it
16:29:04 <j^2> rock on thanks guys
16:31:52 <j^2> oh and i havent moved on the dnaas cookbook
16:31:59 <j^2> the meeting was canceled last week
16:32:12 <j^2> so i'll be there this week talkiing about what we're doing with it
16:32:20 <jklare> cool
16:32:33 <sc`> awesome
16:32:36 <jklare> maybe some of the guys from the project are interested in helping
16:32:42 <j^2> hopefully i'll have it "production ready changes" to it then from there docs then i'll ask yall to try it then we can get it in our namespace
16:32:48 <j^2> jklare: that's the idea
16:33:23 <j^2> right now their "dev environment" takes...30-40-60?ish mins to set up
16:33:38 <j^2> with this cookbook less then 10 with a chef exec kitchen verify
16:33:46 <j^2> and you validate that it's up with serverspec
16:33:52 <j^2> that's pretty sweet you have to admit
16:34:03 <jklare> it is
16:34:14 <sc`> that'd great stuff j^2
16:34:16 <sc`> that's
16:34:47 <j^2> it's not converging since the last time i worked on it...but still; i have it in my sights. I just need cycles
16:35:09 <sc`> as we all do. you should probably focus on getting better :p
16:35:19 <j^2> sc`: ha!
16:38:10 <jklare> #topic refactoring
16:38:12 <jklare> no much new here
16:38:18 <jklare> we made some progress
16:38:20 <j^2> :D
16:38:37 <jklare> and i started the refactoring of the common cookbook and the libraries in it
16:38:43 <jklare> its horrible
16:38:44 <jklare> but well
16:39:09 <j^2> yeah the theory of common is amazing. but the implimenation has been...horrendus
16:39:15 <jklare> ^^
16:39:31 <sc`> common == there be dragons
16:40:05 <jklare> :)
16:41:33 <jklare> any thoughts about moving all the endpoint attributes from common to the corresponding cookbooks?
16:41:39 <jklare> i started that for identity
16:42:19 <j^2> that seems logical to have them in their cookbooks, you may not need an endpoint created and if you call the common cookbook you might have it created
16:42:23 <j^2> right?
16:42:43 <sc`> makes sense to move them to their own corresponding cookbooks and out of common
16:43:26 <j^2> sc`: exactly
16:43:52 <jklare> it makes the handling much easier
16:44:02 <jklare> and the dependencies less confusing
16:44:38 <jklare> maybe we can reduce the common cookbook to just a library one
16:44:49 <j^2> that'll be awesome
16:44:59 <sc`> yup. easier to trace when things go wrong too
16:45:46 <jklare> ^^
16:46:02 <jklare> i do not have any other topics for today
16:46:07 <jklare> anything from you guys?
16:46:19 <sc`> i'm good
16:46:47 <j^2> :D
16:48:50 <jklare> ok
16:48:58 <jklare> thanks for attending and see your around
16:49:03 <jklare> #endmeeting