16:01:18 <jklare> #startmeeting openstack_chef
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16:01:32 <jklare> happy new year :D
16:01:51 <sc`> happy new year! :D
16:02:39 <jklare> lets wait for some minutes and hope some more people join our first meeting of this year ;)
16:05:49 <jklare> my topics for today are the refactoring process (as always ;) ) and the suboptimal participation in our weekly meetings (especially from the core reviewers)
16:06:21 <sc`> sounds good
16:06:35 <jklare> #topic refactoring
16:07:24 <jklare> as i posted before the holidays in our channel, i think we have made great progress and a big thanks to calbers_ in this regard for walking to all these lines of boring config files :)
16:07:41 <jklare> what we need right now is code review
16:08:57 <jklare> and i know that reviewing thousands lines of code is super boring and checking back with the docs to make sure the refactored version is right is more than annoying
16:09:18 <jklare> but right now i do not see an easy way around this
16:09:18 <sc`> i can take a look, but for something of this size, multiple sets of eyes would be ideal
16:09:27 <jklare> yeah i think so too
16:10:11 <jklare> i walked to most of it already (mostly since i was directly involved in the refactoring and calbers_ sits right besides me) but i think we really need more eyes here
16:10:49 <jklare> calbers_ and me are now going for a full multi node deployment with the refactored versions and will make all the additional changes needed
16:11:02 <jklare> but of course that is mostly for our own usecase
16:11:08 <jklare> which is just ubuntu
16:11:29 <jklare> and just 15.10 (or maybe an early version of 16.04)
16:11:40 <jklare> and just ceph as backend
16:11:43 <jklare> and so on
16:11:51 <sc`> do we even have those images available for the gates?
16:11:57 <jklare> nope
16:12:09 <sc`> \o/
16:12:18 <jklare> and these cookbooks should target 14.04
16:12:20 <jklare> for nw
16:12:22 <jklare> now
16:12:54 <jklare> and our (mini) integration test with aio-neutron seems to work on the gates with 14.04
16:13:00 <sc`> are you planning on keeping cadence with ubuntu's releases, or stick with lts?
16:13:01 <jklare> but thats minimal testing
16:13:36 <jklare> i think we all agreed during one of our meetings to stick to lts if possible
16:13:47 <sc`> that's what i recall, too
16:13:58 <jklare> and my comments from above with 15.10 and 16.04 are just for internal purposes in my company
16:14:23 <sc`> yup. got it
16:14:38 <jklare> i was just saying that we will do a  lot of integration testing with these versions, but we need more people to test the cookbooks for their usecases
16:14:50 <jklare> in their environments
16:14:53 <jklare> etc
16:15:25 <jklare> which leads into the next topic
16:15:46 <jklare> why are there so few core reviewers in our weekly meetings?
16:15:54 <jklare> should we change the date
16:15:58 <jklare> or the time?
16:16:31 <sc`> the day and time are fine with me. i have noticed a significant decrease in core reviewer activity overall
16:16:38 <jklare> yep
16:16:58 <sc`> my own, included, save when i see something on the regular channel
16:17:15 <sc`> i expected some due to the refactor and the holidays
16:17:44 <jklare> yeah, i was hoping for some comments or review on the pushed commits
16:18:59 <sc`> i've been consumed by work activities, so my participation has waned a bit
16:19:02 <jklare> #topic where have all the core-reviewers gone
16:19:35 <jklare> i do not want to point fingers or anything similar, just trying to figure out who is still active or wants to participate
16:19:56 <jklare> because if we are down to just two reviewers during this meeting, we should cancel it
16:20:08 <sc`> makes sense. need to get a head count of who's still active
16:20:27 <jklare> so a short mail on the mailing list?
16:20:45 <sc`> i know j^2 is still active
16:20:56 <sc`> if not here at present
16:21:02 <jklare> yeah, i think so too
16:22:13 <jklare> ok, i will write a short mail and hope to get some answers from the active core reviewers
16:22:47 <jklare> and we can hopefully discuss with more people in the next meeting how to handle the big reviews
16:22:52 <sc`> cool. i'm curious as to what has caused the significant decrease in what little activity we have
16:22:59 <jklare> yeah
16:22:59 <sc`> timing or what
16:23:55 <sc`> i do have one thing to mention, related to the project overall
16:24:02 <jklare> ?
16:24:15 <sc`> j^2 and i were on the food fight podcast last week
16:24:56 <sc`> it has exposure in the chef community
16:25:29 <jklare> yeah
16:25:47 <jklare> i haven't watched the last episode yet
16:25:53 <jklare> but since you mention it
16:25:54 <jklare> :D
16:26:02 <sc`> my bit could have been better, but i'm told that for my first non-trivial exposure to public speaking, it wasn't terrible
16:26:27 <jklare> i'll watch later i guess
16:27:40 <jklare> any key things you want to point out?
16:28:46 <sc`> not particularly. from what i've been told, it's an informative episode
16:28:54 <jklare> ok great
16:29:27 <jklare> anything else for todays meeting?
16:29:31 <markvan> hi, just back in office now, trying to catch up
16:29:37 <jklare> yay
16:29:41 <jklare> hi mark :D
16:29:41 <sc`> hi markvan :D
16:29:59 <markvan> I'll try to do some more reviewing this week
16:30:09 <jklare> amazing
16:30:47 <jklare> i will hand out bonus points next week for good behaviour as core reviewer ;)
16:31:21 <sc`> i know it's still a few months out, but who all is planning on being in austin in april?
16:31:44 <markvan> Not sure yet, but I should be going.
16:34:29 <jklare> ok, if there are no more questions or remarks, i will close the meeting for today
16:35:14 <jklare> #endmeeting