23:01:38 <reed> #startmeeting openstack-community
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23:01:43 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_community'
23:01:56 <reed> alright, let's review the agenda
23:02:24 <reed> #topic actions from last meeting
23:03:04 <fifieldt> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-07-10-23.06.html
23:03:07 <reed> fifieldt, you had to dicuss translation of ask at I18N meeting:
23:03:12 <fifieldt> indeed
23:03:24 <fifieldt> I did
23:03:28 <fifieldt> and it was successful
23:03:38 <fifieldt> those who are present are taking the task to their communities
23:04:01 <fifieldt> I think we should followup soon, though
23:04:06 <fifieldt> to see how their discussions went
23:04:14 <fifieldt> specifically in china, france, japan, korea
23:04:23 <fifieldt> and possibly spanish language community
23:04:37 <reed> good and from my action item, I asked Evgeny and he says there is no downtime to put new translations live
23:04:45 <fifieldt> brilliant :)
23:05:17 <reed> I have also added a link to the AskModerators wiki page on Ask.openstack.org
23:05:25 <fifieldt> great :)
23:05:29 <reed> it's on the right sidebar on the home page and on the answers
23:05:41 <reed> not ideal still...
23:05:49 <reed> but at least it's a bit better
23:05:51 <fifieldt> iterate to success
23:06:05 <reed> yeah, I still think we need more moderators
23:06:18 <fifieldt> yes, that would be good
23:06:37 <reed> next topics?
23:06:58 <fifieldt> well, one action item I had was to email the list about these pre/post summit events
23:07:07 <fifieldt> and I guess that leads into the next discussion
23:07:09 <fifieldt> ?
23:09:32 <reed> right
23:09:41 <fifieldt> need we discuss, or are we waiting for JB to chime in as per what Lauren said?
23:09:52 <reed> #topic  satellite events pre/post summit
23:11:33 <fifieldt> so, there was a discussion on the list
23:11:39 <fifieldt> several countries are interested in events
23:11:50 <fifieldt> but there remains to be seen what the form of any events will be
23:12:12 <reed> right, I think now it's a matter of providing them some suggestions on people to contact and let them take the lead to see what can happen
23:12:22 <fifieldt> yes, that's a good idea
23:12:56 <reed> cool
23:13:03 <reed> we can move to the next topic then :)
23:13:07 <fifieldt> coolo
23:13:21 <reed> #topic  evaluate pending issues https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community
23:13:37 <reed> i've been working with Evgeny, bitergia and zagile on those
23:13:53 <fifieldt> cheers
23:14:05 <reed> all the bugs are up to date with comments and status
23:14:30 <fifieldt> good
23:14:52 <reed> unless there is something outstanding there, I'd move to the next step
23:14:55 <fifieldt> sure
23:14:57 <reed> s/step/topic
23:15:09 <reed> #topic  how to help developers consuming API
23:15:20 <reed> was there any progress on this?
23:15:50 <fifieldt> I think we're going to work on the Getting Started page together at OSCON
23:15:57 <fifieldt> there's also a scoping discussion on the docs list
23:16:12 <reed> makes sense
23:16:13 <fifieldt> I also had a quick look for a Go SDK
23:16:20 <fifieldt> and was disappointed with the results
23:16:23 <fifieldt> but overall progress is slow
23:16:32 <fifieldt> there was talk of getting a designer in for docs.openstack.org
23:16:39 <fifieldt> to make the split between ops and dev better
23:16:49 <fifieldt> so: "slow progress"
23:17:35 <reed> not a problem, as long as there is progress :)
23:18:00 <fifieldt> aye
23:18:01 <reed> next topic?
23:18:05 <fifieldt> Everett is also coming to OSCON for 1 day
23:18:08 <fifieldt> so might try to meet then
23:18:11 <fifieldt> and work at things
23:18:20 <reed> oh, that's great, we may schedule some time with him then
23:18:54 <fifieldt> yes, was planning to call on arrival
23:19:03 <fifieldt> feel free to do that in advance :)
23:19:22 <reed> i'll share my OSCON calendar with you so you can book time with him
23:19:47 <fifieldt> cheers
23:19:48 <reed> #topic status report on other projects
23:20:25 <reed> #info Ask in Chinese is running on http://ask.openstack.org:9000/
23:20:56 <reed> #info the askbot team is working on the theme to improve the language switching tab and the GUI in general
23:21:50 <reed> #info we need more testing although we have had some already, and the UI needs more translations (currently around 60% done according to transifex)
23:21:57 <fifieldt> aye
23:22:01 <reed> #link https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/askbot/
23:22:39 <reed> that's pretty much it for Askbot in Chinese... I think we're getting ready for a wider deployment, maybe already after OSCON
23:22:50 <fifieldt> sounds good
23:23:10 <reed> I think we can launch and keep iterating, improving search results and translations as we go
23:23:40 <fifieldt> agreed
23:24:03 <reed> #info project User Group Portal: contract is under legal review, ETA end of the week
23:24:16 <fifieldt> great!
23:24:22 <sarob> awesome
23:24:26 <reed> hopefully we'll start development after OSCON realistically
23:24:37 <reed> s/hopefully//
23:25:59 <reed> #info other project: migration of General mailing list off of Launchpad is slowly proceeding, hit a roadblock, found another volunteer to help, hopefully will pick up more speed
23:26:10 <fifieldt> great news :D
23:26:36 <reed> I sent an email to the list with a brief update
23:27:09 <sarob> right
23:27:34 <reed> anything else?
23:29:00 <sarob> im good, thanks for the updates
23:29:06 * fifieldt scratches head
23:29:14 <reed> #topic various
23:29:49 <fifieldt> a lot of 3rd birthday celebrations tonight :)
23:29:54 <fifieldt> hope y'all can get to one
23:30:13 <reed> I'll throw it out there: I received a couple more requests this past week to advertise projects like the webdav frontend to swift
23:30:23 <fifieldt> eg caimito?
23:30:29 <reed> and I remembered the project http://stackmeat.org
23:30:41 <fifieldt> ah, that !
23:30:52 <reed> fifieldt, right, and another project too... the Java swing UI alternative to horizon
23:30:57 <reed> pandora I think
23:31:01 <fifieldt> that's the one
23:31:03 <fifieldt> by Peter in HK
23:31:06 <sarob> so advertise?
23:31:09 <reed> right
23:31:11 <sarob> through user groups?
23:31:23 <fifieldt> advertise stackmeat?
23:31:30 <fifieldt> or advertise random projects?
23:32:41 <reed> promote projects that use openstack or build on top of it, improve
23:32:49 <reed> all the stuff that is on stackforge for example
23:33:05 <reed> there are no easy places for them
23:33:34 <fifieldt> I like the idea of "X-on-OpenStack" as a concept we should give more attention to
23:33:37 <sarob> we have discussed about something like an appstore
23:33:46 <fifieldt> though I worry that the number of Xs will increase by quite  a lot
23:34:15 <fifieldt> so maybe it's a gradual move from promoting "here's an exciting X" to "here's a place where you can find all the Xs"
23:34:42 <sarob> quality control?
23:34:43 <fifieldt> the former encourages people to build Xs in these 'early days', the latter find ones they can use
23:34:46 <reed> fifieldt, that's why I mentioned stackmeat: it could be the place where all the X can go
23:34:55 <fifieldt> I agree sarob, quality is important
23:35:05 <fifieldt> have a chat to everett about hit vetting process for SDKs
23:35:25 <reed> sarob, the concept of 'store' needs quality control while the stackmeat approach is more like 'here is a directory, sort it out yourself'
23:35:36 <sarob> steakmeat versus stackmeat
23:35:44 * sarob me pun
23:35:46 <fifieldt> :D
23:35:47 <fifieldt> win
23:36:01 * fifieldt notes that his flight is delayed 30mins
23:36:08 * reed doesn't get the pun :(
23:36:31 <sarob> we can let stackmeat grow, maybe link through, while discussing something like an appstore
23:37:07 <sarob> id want something like the TC reviewing
23:37:19 <reed> I wanted to mention it only to start the conversation... i'll pull Marton in it next week... or the week after, better to see what he thinks
23:37:23 <sarob> rather than apple ;)
23:37:30 <fifieldt> :D
23:37:49 <fifieldt> conversation start: success, I'd say :)
23:37:50 <reed> despite who does the review, it's a *lot* of work
23:38:37 <sarob> yup, maybe the next steps for the refstack fits tests
23:39:12 <sarob> there would need to be some kind of automation
23:39:52 <reed> sarob, are you referring to the SDKs?
23:40:35 <sarob> no, test to run through the api and code and return a score
23:40:50 <reed> on a directory like stackmeat there could be things like chef cookbooks, tools like crowbar... how would refstack test those?
23:40:56 * fifieldt doesn't understand either
23:41:50 <sarob> if there are 50 apps that can run on top of openstack, how to tell which is quality?
23:42:25 <fifieldt> does it meet its stated purpose well, has it been updated recently, does it install smoothly ...
23:42:31 <reed> android approach: they all suck, test them all until you find the one that sucks less :)
23:42:35 <sarob> automation to validate responses to API could be a way
23:42:58 <fifieldt> I don't see how that works ...
23:43:18 <sarob> i call topic rathole
23:43:31 <reed> we should probably close the meeting and keep the discussion on #rathole :)
23:43:35 <fifieldt> :D
23:43:51 <sarob> could we add a stackmeat link below programs?
23:43:59 * fifieldt should probably go and find out if he's actually getting to USA today
23:44:07 <fifieldt> yeah - there's already "other projects" isn't there?
23:44:17 <reed> sarob, on the wiki page you mean?
23:44:17 <sarob> if we decide stackmeat is the way to go for other openstack stuff
23:44:24 <sarob> yup
23:44:31 <fifieldt> also, find out who runs stackmeat?
23:44:40 <fifieldt> and whether it's still maintained/supported?
23:44:51 <sarob> looks like mrmartin
23:44:54 <reed> yes, if we put stackmeat under the project's arms we may need to find also better places to promote it
23:44:59 <fifieldt> kk
23:45:11 <sarob> martin kiss
23:45:16 <fifieldt> too easy then
23:45:17 <sarob> ack
23:45:22 <sarob> marton kiss
23:45:37 <reed> ok, thanks everybody for the discussion
23:45:42 <reed> #endmeeting