22:59:13 <fifieldt> #startmeeting openstack-community 22:59:15 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Aug 14 22:59:13 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fifieldt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:59:16 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 22:59:18 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_community' 22:59:27 <fifieldt> #topic Action items from previous meeting 22:59:39 <fifieldt> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-07-31-23.03.html 22:59:41 <fifieldt> for the minutes 22:59:51 <fifieldt> 1. reed to investigate using blueprints and milestones to manage development projects 23:00:03 <fifieldt> I believe he did this, and we now have blueprints on launchpad 23:00:08 <fifieldt> 2. reed to write down the new policy for the blog and communicate it 23:00:10 <fifieldt> this was done 23:00:15 <fifieldt> no crazily negative feedback 23:00:21 <fifieldt> 3. reed to comment on fifieldt's email titled "Dealing with Out of Date wiki pages" ;) 23:00:26 <sarob> Right 23:00:33 <fifieldt> not done yet :) postpone to next week 23:00:40 <fifieldt> #action reed to comment on fifieldt's email titled "Dealing with Out of Date wiki pages" ;) 23:00:50 <fifieldt> 4. reed to investigate further how to use askbot widgets, find examples of other sites using them, etc 23:00:58 <fifieldt> this is ongoing 23:01:04 <fifieldt> 5. fifieldt to have a meeting with trystack admins 23:01:10 <fifieldt> I had a great meeting with the trystack guys 23:01:24 <fifieldt> as a result, we're moving to make the trystack activity more open 23:01:32 <sarob> Cool 23:01:37 * MarkAtwood likes 23:01:38 <fifieldt> #info we now have http://launchpad.net/trystack 23:01:46 <fifieldt> yay MarkAtwood :D 23:02:05 <sarob> Super awesomeness 23:02:07 <fifieldt> so their major plans for the next month are 1. getting API access running 2. getting better monitoring 23:02:27 <fifieldt> hope to communicate more on this soon 23:02:42 <fifieldt> that's all out action items from last meeting 23:02:45 <fifieldt> any questions on that? 23:03:04 <sarob> Not from me 23:03:16 <fifieldt> MarkAtwood ? 23:03:41 <fifieldt> cool, it seems not 23:03:46 <fifieldt> the next item on the agenda is 23:04:02 <fifieldt> #topic bugs on https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community 23:04:26 <fifieldt> essentially a little progress on ask.openstack, but need to chat to reed for the latest 23:04:36 <fifieldt> I also lodged a new one 23:04:38 <fifieldt> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1212089 23:04:40 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1212089 in openstack-community "answers from launchpad need to be migrated to ask.openstack.org" [Undecided,In progress] 23:05:14 <fifieldt> and so I made a script that can migrate stuff from launchpad answers to ask.openstack 23:05:23 <fifieldt> so if that all goes down well in community discussion 23:05:33 <fifieldt> we can move all the old questions from launchpad answers to ask.openstack 23:05:37 <sarob> Nice 23:05:38 <fifieldt> and close the launchpad answers site 23:05:57 <fifieldt> any other bugs on the community launchpad page take anyone's fancy? 23:06:32 <sarob> Not here 23:06:35 <fifieldt> coolo 23:07:00 <fifieldt> So, quickly onto the last formal agenda item (after which we can talk training awesomeness) 23:07:04 <fifieldt> #topic progress report of projects: Ask in Chinese, User Group Portal 23:07:17 <fifieldt> #info Ask in Chinese is live 23:07:42 <fifieldt> #link http://ask.openstack.org/zh/ 23:07:48 <fifieldt> I spent a bit of time doing some translations 23:08:05 <fifieldt> we're up around 80% overall, but remaining strings to be translated are mainly on the admin dashboard side 23:08:16 <fifieldt> so we just need to get people to use it now 23:08:26 <fifieldt> #into development on the user group portal started 23:09:44 <fifieldt> their first task is to integrate the platform with openstack-infra 23:09:44 <fifieldt> and they've made good progress on that 23:09:44 <fifieldt> might be done this week 23:09:44 <fifieldt> any queries on these two things? 23:09:44 <fifieldt> cool, guess they make sense 23:09:44 <fifieldt> #topic Training 23:09:44 <fifieldt> sarob, let's talk training? :) 23:09:44 <fifieldt> I've been seeing lots of patches going in 23:09:44 <fifieldt> how's it all going? 23:10:08 <sarob> Good so far 23:10:26 <sarob> The structure is in place 23:10:47 <sarob> Starting a two week sprint next week 23:11:12 <fifieldt> that's focused on 'associate engineer'? 23:11:20 <sarob> Right 23:11:39 <fifieldt> very cool 23:11:52 <fifieldt> and do you need anything other than your existing bodies? 23:12:12 <sarob> Def need more people 23:12:28 <sarob> Got anyone in 23:12:34 <sarob> Mind? 23:13:02 <fifieldt> I must admit I have interest personally :) Though not sure where the best starting point is right now 23:13:13 <fifieldt> there's a couple of people who I could ping around the world 23:13:21 <fifieldt> how are you coordinating the split up of work? 23:13:34 <sarob> Three levels 23:13:53 <sarob> Core, community, education 23:14:18 <sarob> Education uses the training and submits bugs 23:14:31 <sarob> Community fixes bugs 23:15:01 <sarob> Core makes strategy attends sprints 23:15:26 <sarob> We have five core 23:15:36 <sarob> Room for more 23:15:59 <fifieldt> righto 23:16:13 <sarob> I'm going to start actively recruit in the user groups 23:16:20 <sarob> For community level 23:16:43 <fifieldt> sounds like a plan 23:17:01 <fifieldt> I guess you want to get some kind of percentage of completeness before dragging in the masses? 23:17:30 <sarob> #link docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-training 23:17:39 <sarob> Not really 23:18:01 <sarob> I think it is ready for whomever has interest 23:18:28 <sarob> We start with associate to get our bearings 23:18:53 <sarob> But I'd like to get 500 people involved if possible 23:19:00 <fifieldt> sure, sure 23:19:04 <sarob> Settle for 50 23:19:07 <sarob> ;) 23:19:10 <fifieldt> I'm just thinking along the lines of expectation management 23:19:33 <fifieldt> recruiting "bug fixers" for something that looks like: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-training/content/bk002-ch050-associate-assessment.html 23:19:45 <fifieldt> might cause a mismatch ins expectations 23:20:01 <sarob> Ah right 23:20:06 <fifieldt> but I'm sure you've got it in hand 23:20:07 <sarob> On the first page 23:20:23 <sarob> I have the levels of contribution explained 23:20:25 <fifieldt> reading now 23:20:35 <sarob> Cool 23:20:40 <fifieldt> yeah, that makes more sense 23:21:02 <fifieldt> looks good 23:21:14 <sarob> The user stories are the content starting point 23:21:29 <sarob> You need to assign 23:21:46 <sarob> But anyone can join 23:21:50 <sarob> Trello is open 23:22:12 <fifieldt> cool 23:22:23 <sarob> You interested in getting in? 23:22:29 <fifieldt> sure 23:22:34 <fifieldt> can't garuntee time as such 23:22:51 <fifieldt> but I'll try to follow more closely and possibly contribute now I've had the personal intro from the leader :) 23:23:03 <fifieldt> it is very exciting 23:23:07 <MarkAtwood> i will start tracking it 23:23:08 <sarob> If you can own a user story and get it done in a week, it's good 23:23:43 <fifieldt> sounds like a good way to do it 23:23:46 <sarob> 20-30 people doing that 23:23:46 <fifieldt> cool 23:23:49 <sarob> We will 23:23:53 <sarob> Shoot forward 23:24:06 <fifieldt> ok, I'll keep an eye out for others too 23:24:12 <sarob> Super 23:24:29 <fifieldt> anything else you want to get on the record for training? 23:24:32 <sarob> Core will keep stitching the content together 23:24:37 <sarob> Nope 23:24:55 <fifieldt> cool, I might just open it up so we can freestyle 23:25:02 <fifieldt> #topic Open Discussion 23:25:07 <sarob> I've got two blueprints 23:25:12 <sarob> In community 23:25:32 <sarob> Participation table 23:25:52 <sarob> And the new member thingy 23:26:06 <fifieldt> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+spec/foundation-participation-table 23:26:15 <sarob> I'm also interested in the use group foundation tool status 23:26:26 <sarob> Not a blueprint 23:26:44 <fifieldt> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+spec/how-to-participate 23:26:46 <sarob> The table I need to pick back up 23:27:17 <sarob> The how to thingy is more of a foundation webtool thing 23:27:51 <fifieldt> right, yeah 23:27:56 <fifieldt> they looks reasonable to me 23:28:08 <fifieldt> I know reed has lots of thoughts on the latter 23:28:14 <fifieldt> with the "funnel" 23:28:15 <sarob> Cooling 23:28:26 <sarob> Ah spellcheck 23:28:27 <fifieldt> to help progress people though the different stages 23:28:31 <sarob> Right 23:28:48 <sarob> I'd like to hold the user state 23:29:24 <fifieldt> what kind of states are you thinking? 23:29:28 <sarob> We have lots of hidden bits 23:29:29 <fifieldt> member || atc || ... 23:29:34 <fifieldt> right, true 23:29:57 <sarob> I want to walk new company or user through 23:30:11 <sarob> What OpenStack foundation offers 23:30:47 <sarob> It's kinda foundation training 23:31:13 <sarob> A step by step how to 23:31:32 <fifieldt> something like http://www.qantas.com.au/infodetail/flying/travelClasses/firstLounge/mel/index.html ? 23:31:42 <sarob> What's a gold member? 23:32:09 <fifieldt> got it - it's leveraging your table 23:32:11 <sarob> It's flash 23:32:22 <fifieldt> it was the only example I had on hand :) 23:32:26 <sarob> My iphone no likely 23:32:31 <sarob> Likey 23:32:32 <fifieldt> oh well 23:32:46 <sarob> Got got the idea 23:33:10 <fifieldt> but yeah, I think one of the other things that comes up again is people thinking they need to be a gold sponsor _before_ contributing 23:33:23 <sarob> If we can tie tech training along with foundation training 23:33:42 <sarob> Common misunderstand 23:33:44 <sarob> IMF 23:33:47 <sarob> Ing 23:33:52 <fifieldt> got it 23:34:31 <sarob> We are going to start using the board membership committee 23:34:44 <sarob> To help new potentials 23:34:51 <fifieldt> cool 23:35:21 <sarob> The how to tool would be the tech version 23:35:59 <fifieldt> got it 23:36:50 <sarob> So maybe reed or you can provide some insight the user group tool 23:36:55 <sarob> Next meet 23:37:00 <fifieldt> absolutely 23:37:13 <fifieldt> I expect we'll have a good update 23:37:16 <sarob> And thoughts on the how to workflow 23:37:28 <sarob> Coolo 23:37:32 <fifieldt> also within the next month will be a new getting started page on openstack.org 23:37:37 <fifieldt> it's already written, mostly 23:37:50 <fifieldt> which will not achieve everything that is needed 23:37:53 <sarob> Great 23:37:58 <fifieldt> but it'll be a helluva lot better than right now 23:38:08 <sarob> Well it's prob a good stopgap 23:38:17 <fifieldt> indeed 23:38:30 <sarob> I'd like 23:38:50 <sarob> To give ourselves a goal of partipation 23:39:06 <sarob> Like 100 commits a day or 23:39:40 <sarob> 10 user group events a week 23:40:11 <fifieldt> ambitious :) 23:40:12 <sarob> It would be a challenging way of rating our success 23:40:28 <fifieldt> indeed 23:40:44 <sarob> In not sure what would be good metrics 23:41:04 <sarob> I just want to kick ass 23:41:10 <fifieldt> roger that 23:41:28 * sarob sarob kicking ass 23:41:52 * fifieldt tempted to #action that 23:42:03 <fifieldt> cool, well, is that a good point to end this meeting? 23:42:12 <sarob> I think so 23:42:26 * sarob fell off soapbox 23:42:26 <fifieldt> #endmeeting openstack-community