03:03:42 <Sundar> #startmeeting openstack-cyborg
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03:03:46 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_cyborg'
03:03:50 <Sundar> Hi all
03:04:36 <Sundar> #topic Roll call
03:04:42 <wangzhh> Hi all.
03:04:45 <Sundar> #info Sundar
03:04:47 <chenke> #info chenke
03:04:51 <chenke> hi
03:04:57 <wangzhh> #info wangzh
03:05:05 <wangzhh> #info wangzhh
03:05:29 <Yumeng> hi all
03:05:33 <Yumeng> #info Yumeng
03:05:40 <Sundar> Hi Yumeng and all
03:05:44 <Sundar> Let's get started
03:05:49 <Sundar> #topic Agenda
03:05:50 <Sundar> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CyborgTeamMeeting#Agenda
03:06:05 <s_shogo> #info s_shogo
03:06:27 <Sundar> Does anybody want to bring up anything else?
03:06:57 <chenke> Ye. I want your guys help me review the exception patches.
03:07:17 <Sundar> Sure, chenke. I started on some of them.
03:07:27 <Yumeng> ye, we got a lot patches to review
03:07:37 <chenke> Ok. Thanks sundar.
03:07:48 <Sundar> Agreed, Yumeng. I am still catching up.
03:08:09 <Yumeng> I will focus on reviewing too, these days
03:08:10 <Sundar> I just called out a few patches that I think may need some discussion
03:08:18 <Sundar> #topic Patches
03:08:19 <Sundar> https://review.opendev.org/#/c/699099/
03:08:49 <Sundar> One comment was: "Can devices in cyborg be associated to specific projects?"
03:09:01 <Sundar> This is a use case worth discussing here, right?
03:10:52 <Sundar> What do you guys think of this use case? Yumeng, chenke, s_shogo, wangzhh
03:11:16 <Li_Liu> #info Li_Liu
03:11:57 <Yumeng> sundar: are you thinking Lance Bragstad's question? Can devices in cyborg be associated to specific projects? If so, this check should ensure the user has reader authorization on the project in addition to the 'reader' role, correct?
03:12:19 <Sundar> Hi Li, xinranwang: we are discussing a comment in https://review.opendev.org/#/c/699099/ i.e. "Can devices in cyborg be associated to specific projects?"
03:12:22 <xinranwang> Hi all, sorry for late
03:12:24 <Sundar> Yumeng: yes
03:12:44 <xinranwang> #info xinranwang
03:13:01 <Sundar> xinranwang: np
03:13:44 <xinranwang> I think devices can be shared between different project, what do you guys think?
03:13:52 <Li_Liu> Hi Sundar
03:13:55 <chenke> I don't think it is necessary.
03:14:01 <chenke> Sundar
03:14:33 <Yumeng> agree with Xinran
03:14:37 <Li_Liu> The "project" concept here is in the Openstack context right?
03:14:41 <wangzhh> xinranwang, Agree.
03:15:23 <s_shogo> xinranwang , +1
03:15:25 <wangzhh> Li_Liu, Yes
03:15:29 <Sundar> By default, a device can be shared across different projects. The questions seems to be whether there is value in allowing the admin to allocate a set of devices for a specific project.
03:16:03 <Li_Liu> Agree, since cpu/memory do not associate with project neither
03:16:35 <chenke> Agree
03:16:50 <chenke> Acceleration resources should be the same as CPU.
03:16:59 <xinranwang> agree
03:17:19 <Sundar> Ok, if we decide not to do this in Ussuri and change our mind later, that is not a problem, AFAICS. I don't see any upgrade issues. Anybody has a different thought?
03:19:52 <Sundar> Apparently not. So, let us agree to not have an option of dedicating a device to a project.
03:20:08 <Li_Liu> :P
03:20:25 <Sundar> I'll take that as a yes :)
03:20:52 <Sundar> Next patch: https://review.opendev.org/670973 Bump openstackdocs theme
03:21:18 <Sundar> This has been sitting for a while. I am not an expert here. But it seems safe to merge this change. What do you all think?
03:22:24 <Sundar> Li_Liu, Yumeng, chenke, xinranwang, s_shogo, wangzhh: ^
03:22:46 <chenke> Agree Merge +1.
03:23:39 <Sundar> Ok, chenke, let's both review it and merge it. Thanks.
03:23:47 <chenke> Ok.
03:24:18 <Sundar> Drawing all your attention to the ML thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-January/011802.html
03:24:45 <Sundar> I haven;t caught up fully, and will respond soon-ish. If you have any thoughts, we can discuss here.
03:26:09 <Li_Liu> That seems pretty long.  I will try to read through it as well
03:26:17 <Sundar> Sure
03:26:23 <Sundar> #topic AoB
03:26:30 <chenke> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-January/011803.html
03:26:52 <chenke> zhipeng huang had an email reply this.
03:28:31 <Sundar> Yes, chenke. But do we all agree with Arkady's idea? Any points not addressed in the email thread so far. BTW, Arkady was at the PTG and raised issues re. firmware updates, which i captured in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cyborg-ussuri-programming-apis
03:29:45 <chenke> I haven't read this email carefully. I will learn your response.
03:29:50 <Sundar> In my understanding, Ironic deals with devices as just PCI devices, but does inspect their properties
03:30:33 <Sundar> A Cyborg driver can do that. I am not sure that an entire Cyborg driver or its equivalent can be included in the Ironic inspection process.
03:30:57 <Sundar> However, Arkady brings up issues regarding server lifecycle management, warranties, etc.
03:31:33 <xinranwang> Yes, ironic can only inspect general pci device, but for example, cyborg can discover vf/pf topology and AFU ID as well.
03:31:50 <xinranwang> will read through it later
03:31:57 <Sundar> s/but does inspect/but does NOT inspect/
03:32:34 <Sundar> Anything else to cover today?
03:32:44 <Yumeng> Sundar: seems need more thinking. I will dig the ML more. and Re:https://review.opendev.org/#/c/701518/ Yes. I was testing with a real GPU
03:33:49 <Sundar> Yumeng: good to know
03:34:00 <Yumeng> I was testing GPU driver and  pls help to review. Li_Liu, chenke, xinranwang, s_shogo, Sundar,wangzhh: ^
03:34:10 <Yumeng> https://review.opendev.org/#/c/701518/
03:34:14 <xinranwang> Yumeng:  ok, will review it later
03:34:29 <Yumeng> ^_^ thanks!
03:34:45 <Sundar> Please keep continuing the good work, folks! Thanks a lot. Happy New Year, and have a good day!
03:34:49 <Sundar> Bye
03:34:51 <wangzhh> Yumeng, Yep, some comments in line.
03:34:52 <Yumeng> bye
03:34:53 <Sundar> #endmeeting