15:04:22 #startmeeting openstack-helm 15:04:23 Meeting started Tue Nov 21 15:04:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattmceuen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:04:24 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:04:26 The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' 15:05:48 o/ 15:06:08 \o 15:06:11 #topic rollcall 15:06:18 o/ 15:06:31 \o 15:06:39 Sorry for the late start guys, US time change took my calendar by surprise :) 15:06:44 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2017-11-21 15:06:57 \o\ 15:06:58 ^agenda -- please go ahead and add anything you'd like to discuss today! 15:10:00 also a holiday week in the US, so we may be missing a few familiar faces 15:11:12 #topic Summit highlights for OpenStack-Helm 15:11:52 Alright -- so a few notes we should share about the summit of interest to the OSH crew 15:12:10 First, we sure did get Keynote mention, with some live demo goodness 15:12:41 #action mattmceuen will get links into the meeting notes 15:13:26 There were several talks either directly or tangentially related to OSH 15:13:40 overall feedback was very +ve i felt 15:13:46 o/ sorry, late. 15:14:05 portdirect, alanmeadows, & bommen gave a talk on OSH, which was really my favorite talk from the summit period 15:14:10 I spoke to a couple of folks who are planning on moving their production workloads to osh 15:14:14 Definitely recommend that one 15:14:34 that's fantastic. 15:15:16 I was able to talk with sprint, orange, nec at lcoo working group meeting. they were so positive on osh. 15:16:01 thats awesome jayahn - we should start a support company ;) 15:16:08 and, skt had a presentation on kubespray and openstack-helm. :) 15:16:20 * jayahn that is my big plan b. 15:16:33 :D 15:16:47 Hey now don't anyone stop developing :) 15:17:09 We need something to be supported after all! 15:17:28 We also had a great OSH workshop session 15:17:39 that is why it is plan b. we need plan a >> make everyone use osh. 15:17:49 workshop was fantastic. 15:18:03 me agrees with plan a 100% :) 15:18:13 plan c - sit by the pool drinking tequila 15:18:25 I feel like these plans area actually sequential 15:18:37 Can't spell today, with this meeting a whole hour earlier 15:18:38 the workshop was great for a few reasons 15:19:11 1) it tested out the new dev env I've been working on which deployed 150 machines with a single provision failure 15:19:39 2) it then deployed osh about ~125 times on top of that without a single failure 15:19:48 3) there were cat pictures 15:20:22 Does it count as the cat pic going viral if we are copying it via automation? 15:20:29 https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Cute-Cat.jpg 15:20:51 Really great job on all the prep work portdirect 15:21:36 I was wondering - should we rework the dev env docs to use a version of the scripts we developed for this? 15:21:37 For anyone who'd like to play along at home: https://github.com/portdirect/sydney-workshop 15:21:59 I think so 15:22:04 portdirect: yes 15:22:25 Let's get reuse out of this - made for a very educational experience, and goes a few steps farther than the dev docs to date 15:22:36 e.g. cat picture 15:22:39 cool - I can try to get that going this week - and I also need to document the `infra` work thats been ging on too 15:23:57 portdirect I started a ps for the doc work https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521370/ - will submit the ps to remove the legacy multinode gate from infra today 15:24:29 awesome - if there's anything any new OSH developers can do to help with that work, portdirect, might be a good opportunity for them 15:24:40 lamt: thats awesome! 15:25:02 nice, thanks lamt! 15:25:15 mattmceuen: agreed - getting new folks writing the docs is awesome - they ask the right questions! 15:25:40 Speaking of which - we had an OSH project onboarding session as well :) 15:25:52 at the summit. Went quite well. 15:26:19 Do we happen to have any new folks interested in OSH joining us today? If so, welcome! 15:27:20 o/ sorry late 15:27:41 hey v2k0d3n no worries, you're in good company! 15:27:48 v1k0d3n 15:27:55 didn't mean to upgrade you 15:28:14 * srwilkers resists the urge to make a joke 15:28:14 hes got laser vision now 15:28:49 * jayahn ditto with srwilkers 15:28:57 * portdirect failed 15:29:09 and you didnt even fail fast 15:29:11 you're so outdated 15:29:19 i did shift left 15:29:39 that's shift-tab, right? 15:29:49 #topic V3 Gate/Dev env in infra is done - now we just need docs 15:29:59 I will get portdirect back on topic by giving him the stick 15:30:11 * portdirect ohhh errr 15:30:32 so the gate in infra is pretty solid now i hope 15:30:44 lamt and some others are using it for local dev as well 15:31:27 it does away with the old kubeadm-aio and its continerised kubelet and replaces it with a pretty (I hope) solid set of ansible roles 15:31:58 that sets up a k8s cluster with some services deployed as charts - dns, tiller etc 15:32:11 tin has been working on the docs here: 15:32:21 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521895/ 15:32:41 which so how to use the makefile to simply setup a dev env 15:33:01 we have also been working on pulling this into osh itself 15:33:23 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516450/ 15:33:29 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521370/1 is the right doc link 15:33:36 whoops 15:33:40 cheers srwilkers 15:33:57 the work to use this in osh is close - we just need to publish logs 15:34:07 fantastic 15:34:19 and then can start to retire the oiginal gate scripts i hope 15:34:37 \o/ 15:34:54 the primary advantage the new work brings is that we can use an `armada` liek format to instantiate charts - and test upgrades 15:35:16 * portdirect eg: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-helm-infra/blob/master/tools/gate/chart-deploys/default.yaml 15:35:46 meaning we can test many more combos that we did previously - and also address some big gaps we had 15:35:52 1) upgrade testing 15:36:00 2) node/cluster reboot 15:36:20 So right now, the new OSH gate scripts delegate to the (updated) existing setup_gate.sh. Are you saying that script would be retired, or just the old invocation of that script? 15:36:43 (by right now, I mean right now in your and lamt's new PS) 15:36:51 when possible the old scripts would be totally retired 15:37:02 but I think we need to move there gradually 15:37:04 gotcha. I like the migration path. 15:37:12 ++ 15:37:30 this work also needs to go hand in hand with updating the docs 15:38:00 so that we smoothy retire the original kubeadm-aio 15:38:29 it would be good to get an idea of how many people are using that outside of att at present 15:38:45 are you folks jayahn ? v1k0d3n ? 15:39:37 using what, armada or kubeadm-aio? 15:39:43 sorry, was distracted. 15:39:51 * v1k0d3n reads back 15:39:54 the current kubeadm-aio 15:40:04 haven't touched it in a while. 15:40:11 we are not using the current kubeadm-aio 15:40:34 nice - what are you guys using? bootkube v1k0d3n ? 15:40:34 bootkube projects only. although will look at kubeadm self-hosted at some point...but it's a mess in it's current state. 15:41:05 bootkube as a base. starting a custom deployment projects around self-hosted concepts. 15:41:18 we are all kubespray here in skt 15:41:49 awesome 15:42:07 one of the things we added with the new work was a `make dev-deploy charts` 15:42:15 that should work with any k8s env 15:42:24 although we have some plan to get serious with osh gate tools. 15:42:32 w00t :) 15:42:33 okay. good to know. :) 15:43:01 #topic default docker version 15:43:13 all you srwilkers 15:44:21 just wanted to point out that the default docker version for ubuntu is 1.13, which caused some issues with k8s <1.8 if i recall. portdirect mentioned a patchset that lamt has in flight for using whats in the gates as the version we pin to, which makes this a nonissue i think 15:44:49 that's all really 15:44:58 Excellent. Here's the RFC so y'all can C: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521233/ 15:45:04 was going to mention it in the docs, but the docs rework already covers it 15:45:20 #topic reviews needed 15:45:31 So - the summit got us a bit behind 15:45:58 also some vacation, and we're entering the holiday season for some of us 15:46:03 just in time for the holidays to let us play catch up :) 15:46:21 nice work portdirect on keeping the kube env agnostic. 15:46:25 Yeah, some folks will probably do more reviews over the holidays rather than less :-D 15:46:41 * srwilkers is guilty 15:46:42 But we def need a concerted effort to catch up & clean up our backlog of WIP 15:47:13 In the meantime: any PS that need eyes sooner than later, or are stuck and anyone present would like to call out? 15:47:38 As mentioned, tlams RFC: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521233/ 15:47:44 im going to review the fluent-logging stuff after this -- vacation took me away, and the hotel wifi was a bit dodgy 15:47:53 but think that's just a matter of getting the rbac stuff tied in 15:48:01 And to get the gate work completed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521895/ 15:48:10 I think I am officially good at forking cores. 15:48:15 :) 15:48:31 i've got a few changes to make to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517645/, then will be ready for a proper review 15:48:49 srwilkers: fluent-logging stuff is okay, but we are having some probleme with fluent-bit - fluentd version matching. 15:49:03 hmm 15:49:23 we will probably need to be away from kolla-image, and using official fluent images. 15:49:38 jayahn: right. that's been an issue with their non-openstack images for awhile 15:49:40 chart itself is okay and working :) 15:49:42 ES was the same way I think 15:50:01 a lot of the outstanding reviews are to do with opencontrail - mattmceuen can we invite them to the next meeting to ensure we get a good strategy in place 15:50:05 OH 15:50:38 would a be good tie in to our first ci/cd focused meeting 15:50:43 ++ 15:50:46 ++ 15:51:17 ++ 15:51:27 portdirect: yep 15:51:28 and this is something we would really like to be included in 15:51:59 cool beans v1k0d3n will do 15:52:19 we're doing a lot of work around CI/CD, although we're taking a bit of a different approach. and on the opencontrail bits...we're trying really hard to work with juniper on this as well. 15:52:28 #topic open discussion 15:52:46 does anyone go to kubecon? 15:52:52 i know some discussions are happening with skt and att on ci, but if there are meetings that could be open...it would really help us as well. 15:52:55 jayahn: yeah, ill be there 15:53:01 yes, we have 3 coming to kubecon. 15:53:14 v1k0d3n: as far as im aware, the meetings mentioned would be part of the OSH community meeting 15:53:15 ah, actually 4 coming. 15:53:17 unless im mistaken? 15:53:25 v1k0d3n - def take a watch of the summit presentation I mentioned above -- that had some great OpenContrail live demoing 15:53:36 yeah saw that mattmceuen 15:53:42 i happen to meet with some deis related folks here in asia area. it seems like we are probably having a meeting with them at kubecon. 15:53:49 beyond demo...working together with juniper would help 15:53:56 we're getting a sales wall 15:54:09 jayahn: does this mean i get to drink with you? in austin? 15:54:14 anyone will be welcome to join that meeting, once it is confirmed 15:54:20 and we would like to break through that. meaning, they don't even know what work is occurring in this community, and are recommending things that don't really fit. 15:54:30 noep, i cannot go to Austin this time. sadly.. 15:54:30 v1k0d3n: we'll we are beynd that, they are really starting to do some cool things now 15:54:34 jayahn: :( 15:54:38 one of my team will be there. 15:54:55 * srwilkers will be sure to send jayahn tons of drinking photos with the crocodiles he never knew existed in austin 15:54:58 and srwilkers on the ci parts...not sure they're happening here. maybe some...maybe some nit? 15:55:21 v1k0d3n: they are all happening in the open 15:55:33 * jayahn crocodiles.. damn i was away from Austin too long 15:55:37 andreys ps's are really worth a look ;) 15:56:21 oh...i thought there was mention of a followup meeting with CI in denver that i never heard anything else on. 15:56:38 ok...well, i guess i'll just look out for them. nevermind then :) 15:56:52 srwilkers: I will make sure my colleague contacts you for a drink. 15:57:04 jayahn: that would be great :) 15:57:09 jayahn: mattmceuen and i will be in austing as well ;) 15:57:18 looking forward to seeing you @ kubecon v1k0d3n! 15:57:21 v1k0d3n: that has not been happen. there were only saying, not happening. :) 15:57:29 this ci focused meeting will be the first one 15:57:57 austing.. good word 15:57:59 ah that works. didn't really hear see anything else on it, so just figured we missed it. 15:58:11 yeah mattmceuen see you there too. 15:58:18 it's a verb now! "Let's go austing the heck out of kubecon" 15:58:23 larry will be there as well. 15:58:24 yup 27th for the 1st ci/cd meeting 15:58:27 awesome 15:58:53 2 minute warning all 15:58:57 anything else? 15:59:27 sounds good - thanks everyone, have a great Thanksgiving! 15:59:30 #endmeeting