15:00:28 #startmeeting openstack-helm 15:00:32 Meeting started Tue Nov 6 15:00:28 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is portdirect. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:33 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:34 o/ 15:00:37 The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' 15:00:37 o/ 15:00:49 lets give it a few mins for people to trickle in 15:01:01 o/ 15:01:17 o/ 15:03:22 o/ 15:03:33 o/ 15:04:26 pete's wifi is being dodgy, he'll be back in a moment 15:04:52 give me time to recheck all my meetings timezones. 15:04:52 ok - i think im back 15:05:02 lets go ! 15:05:25 the Agenda for today is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2018-11-06 15:05:40 #topic Images repo 15:06:09 so - we are running a bit behind on what we planned to do last week, though it looks like things are moving now :) 15:06:32 srwilkers is planning on colating the dockerfiles we have todate in this repo this week 15:06:57 and i know evrardjp has a spec up that we should review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/615623/ 15:07:18 i have quickly gone over it - though have been caught up in production fun this week 15:07:43 production fun it is.. same here 15:08:02 following the meeting it's really important we get eyes on this - as I hope it will make osh a lot easier to consume 15:08:05 So, my spec here doesn't explain how the multiple distros should happen 15:08:11 as well as generally a higher quality product 15:08:19 over to you evrardjp 15:08:43 I strongly believe that separating images is better for the project, but it's not without its downsides 15:09:11 I think we can overcome them by being careful in our +W reviews 15:09:49 I suppose if we agree on the spec here above, we can continue our trajectory with the addition of multiple distros 15:10:24 this should give a generic idea of how I intend to do things on multiple distros (but needs to happen after the spec) 15:10:26 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/615571/ 15:10:31 please have a look at both 15:10:53 thanks 15:11:13 will do evrardjp 15:11:13 thanks evrardjp, will take a look today/tomorrow 15:11:31 I am happy to collabore with srwilkers on the dockerfile migration 15:11:36 collaborate* 15:11:58 works for me 15:11:58 that's all I have for now 15:12:20 ok, so onto the next topic 15:12:23 #topic Docs repo 15:12:36 jayahn: i think this one should be yours? 15:12:56 again - gettimg some movement before the summit would be great 15:13:14 even though as we go into berlin, the current documentation will still be the primary source 15:13:39 well, one thing for sure, jaesang and myself will focus on doc repo running 15:14:04 however, we need help to initially setup doc building process. not familiar with it yet. 15:14:18 jayahn: i think lamt and ianychoi would be great there 15:14:32 I have an initial patch set there 15:14:35 portdirect, jayahn : oh hello 15:14:36 if you get a placeholder ps up, we can use that to build out the publisher 15:14:41 i remember we discussed to make "index" somewhere in the past, should be running that aging. 15:14:44 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/614425/ 15:15:02 it is just a basic sphinx structure 15:15:04 Sorry I missed #airshipit meeting one hour ago because of a conflict 15:15:19 hey, ianychoi 15:15:21 it does have a job that build the docs though 15:15:42 lamt: great 15:15:53 jayahn, which part would you like to know on doc repo running? I think I can help this 15:16:14 ianychoi: cloud you please give a bit of your time for us to start this documentation? 15:16:31 f2f probably for the initial teaching 15:16:42 I will buy a great lunch 15:17:17 jayahn: now thats somthing i look forward to! 15:17:26 jayahn, thanks seems that a meeting were delayed. How about on this Thursday lunch time? 15:18:02 ianychoi yeap i can do that 15:19:02 portdirect: the lunch? Why am I not surprised? :p 15:19:16 portdirect: lamt: we need an initial draft to start index proposal. do you have any initial idea? 15:19:27 gotta keep my physique somehow evrardjp 15:19:32 :) 15:19:37 jayahn: what do you mean there? 15:20:07 index proposal means.. how we are going to structure osh documents, right? 15:20:19 jayahn: maybe your korean index translated would ab a great place to start the conversation there? 15:20:25 jayahn, good :) I am on Probation Period as a new employee so I couldn't go to your office area exactly, but our offices are very near. Let's see on this Thursday lunch time! 15:21:04 portdirect: okay, jaesang, ianychoi, and myself will bring something up 15:21:25 ianychoi: 20min walk from my office. totally can make it. 15:21:36 ianychoi: you at skt now? 15:21:41 jayahn, sounds great - thanks :) 15:21:44 nope. ms 15:21:47 :) 15:21:51 portdirect, a different company :) 15:22:55 nice - hope you have a great time there :) and still have lots of upstream time ! 15:23:04 we ok to move on? 15:23:09 Thanks :) 15:23:11 yeap 15:23:12 +1 :) 15:23:30 #topic Summit overlap 15:23:41 so next week theres the summit 15:23:59 personally i think we should take a one week break on the irc meeting 15:24:07 though happy to be over-ruled 15:24:35 I'm good with a week off 15:24:54 +1 on a week off 15:25:37 srwilkers just went to get coffee, but i know hes also in favor of a break 15:25:41 who's coming to the summit? 15:25:50 I am 15:25:56 great! 15:25:59 i will not be 15:26:03 sad.. 15:26:09 not coming 15:26:17 jayahn: are you in Germany? 15:26:30 mattmceuen, alanmeadows, mark-burnet, and myself will be there from ATT 15:26:31 right now? nope, however, i will be next week 15:26:31 Skipping the meeting is natural :) 15:26:39 I mean during event time 15:26:50 not the rest :p 15:27:04 OMG that's not clear at all. I guess you understood me anyway 15:27:11 lol 15:27:19 it does actually bring up a point 15:27:26 we ok to move on? 15:27:29 ok 15:28:16 #topic Meeting attendance, by core team 15:28:35 ? 15:28:38 so I know everyone is very busy, esp at this time of year 15:29:17 but I think its apparent that we have several cores who have not been able to make the meetings for quite some time 15:29:26 this is fine as far as im concerned 15:29:34 but comes with some downsides 15:30:09 and I'll reach out to these people to see if they can attend more often 15:30:28 and also encourage them to read the minutes of these meetings 15:30:46 there have been a lot of parallel efforts recently 15:30:47 attendance on the #openstack-helm channel is also low. 15:30:56 IMO 15:31:13 and its resulted in people stepping on each others toes more than we should 15:31:30 evrardjp: i agree 15:32:12 +1 15:32:16 stepping on each other toes happen in open source projects, but it should not be the rule. Good communication is a general fix, whatever the media is. 15:32:24 ++ 15:32:49 ofc, using IRC channels/ML should be encouraged 15:32:55 Thats all i got to say on that really 15:33:10 thanks for handling that 15:33:22 +1 on encouraging irc/ml 15:33:26 It's not always easy when most of the cores are colleagues. 15:33:57 I trust you'll keep an eye on this, and do your best, as usual, portdirect ! :) Don't worry too much! 15:34:01 ok lets move on 15:34:15 agreed 15:34:18 #topic Forum etherpads 15:34:22 mattmceuen: your up! 15:36:41 Sorry for delay 15:36:43 So! 15:36:50 * evrardjp images western movies with the tumbleweed rolling. 15:37:18 THat's my office evrardjp 15:37:31 We have a wonderful cross team Forum in Berlin on container security topics 15:37:59 I think I've shared this before, but there are many ways to get containerized security wrong, and this forum is for different openstack projects to try to help each other get them right 15:38:14 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-container-security 15:38:41 Please add any topics you'd like to discuss in that forum to the etherpad, and please share it with folks who might be interested in other teams! 15:38:58 okay, and I will be there 15:39:06 awesome jayahn 15:39:15 interesting 15:39:25 that's all from me portdirect unless anyone has questions/comments 15:39:28 it will help me to talk with security team afterwards. thanks. 15:39:50 what is the outcome of said discussion? 15:40:30 Do we want to document best practices to handle to the openstack security team, or OSH wants to put decisions into some kind of OSH manifesto 15:40:59 evrardjp: i'd strive for the former if possible 15:41:43 the biggest goal is just helping all the container openstack teams learn from each other, and codifying that in best practices would be an awesome way to capture that for posterity 15:41:44 we should invite people from the security SIG then 15:41:50 agree 15:44:21 I think as long as document said conversation and end up with some 'written' decision on how OSH will do things, this is already a win. 15:44:39 After that, it can be used for Security SIG as guidelines 15:45:26 and any companies after that.. :) 15:46:17 really glad you all see it as valuable :) looking forward to it, and your input to the discussion would be really welcome 15:50:09 mattmceuen: I just pinged triple-o too. 15:50:14 let's see how it goes 15:50:25 evrardjp: nice - i think theres a lot we can learn from each other 15:50:34 esp at the lower levels 15:51:39 ok - lets move on 15:51:43 #topic Review needed 15:52:00 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/603971/ >> Service-Proxy: Bring a external endpoint 15:52:00 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/607822/ >> Fix rally deployment config to rally 1.2.0 15:52:31 would bre great to get some eyes on this 15:53:10 thanks for making that connection evrardjp 15:54:00 #topic parkinglot 15:54:08 anything else we missed this week? 15:54:34 deadlines? 15:54:48 i heard a few woosh by 15:54:59 for anyone just joining us from the USA: due to daylight savings this is an hour "earlier" now ;-) 15:55:08 * mattmceuen ba-dum-ching 15:55:09 thats in the eu too 15:55:13 I was just joking because I have short deadlines :) 15:55:15 I'm sorry EU 15:55:45 mattmceuen: haha -- this Daylight saving should be abolished 15:55:52 +1000 15:55:55 or do it EVERYWHERE at the same time 15:55:58 utc ftw 15:56:12 EU and US, why you are saving daylight?... 15:56:16 utc is nice :) 15:56:24 we let it back out during summer jayahn 15:56:25 jayahn: money 15:56:46 night fall.. is good. time to go home. time to drink. lol 15:56:47 US was for lamp makers :p 15:56:53 i keep mine in a box in the basement 15:57:04 and with that - lets end the meeting 15:57:04 I will stop making bad jokes 15:57:09 #endmeeting