16:02:02 <portdirect> #startmeeting openstack-helm
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16:02:14 <portdirect> o/ happy new year folks!
16:02:15 <dwalt> o/
16:02:20 <dwalt> happy new year!
16:02:23 <portdirect> lets give it a few mins for people to arrive
16:02:23 <lamt> o/
16:02:25 <srwilkers> o/
16:02:33 <srwilkers> 2020 has arrived. So weird
16:02:38 <portdirect> agenda is here: please add away: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2020-01-07
16:03:41 <gagehugo> o/
16:03:57 <stevthedev> Happy new year!
16:05:34 <portdirect> ok - lets begin
16:05:42 <portdirect> #topic default openstack release
16:05:57 <portdirect> so since what now seems like the beginning of time, we have defaulted to ocata
16:06:12 <portdirect> much like the beginning of time, ocata is now rather long in the tooth
16:06:34 <portdirect> and should probably be spending time in a nice rocking chair reading a book
16:06:46 <portdirect> rather than being flogged up and down our gates etc
16:06:58 <portdirect> so - should we move to stein?
16:07:15 <srwilkers> I think that’s sane
16:07:22 <lamt> ++
16:07:48 <portdirect> ok - any objectors? If not lets do it.
16:08:44 * portdirect looks at tumbleweed roll past
16:08:49 <portdirect> nice
16:08:56 <portdirect> so would anyone like to take this on?
16:09:01 <lamt> I can
16:09:11 <portdirect> lamt: the hero we need - thanks dude
16:09:16 <lamt> np
16:09:27 <portdirect> so - just before we move on
16:09:47 <portdirect> stein is a great improvement, but even thats lagging the rest of openstack
16:10:00 <portdirect> once this is done, lets regroup next week and discuss train
16:10:19 <portdirect> #topic State of the Gate
16:10:30 <portdirect> so our gates have had their own journeys
16:10:39 <portdirect> picking up and dropping things off along the way
16:10:56 <portdirect> to the point where i think there is more duct tape and bubblegum than actual structure anymore
16:11:10 * srwilkers slinks away
16:11:27 <portdirect> i wish we could all slink away srwilkers
16:11:47 <portdirect> but that said - i think the community(ies) have put us in a good spot
16:12:00 <portdirect> if people are ok with it, I'd like to redo the gates this week
16:12:15 <portdirect> removing the old k8s-aio and getting us to 'pure' kubeadm
16:12:41 <portdirect> and at the same time gut the scripts/tools dirs of all the crud we dont use anymore
16:12:57 <portdirect> any objections/ideas?
16:13:18 <dwalt> I'd like to help with this. Airship is a heavy user of your gate infrastructure
16:13:34 <portdirect> nice - that would be great dwalt
16:13:35 <lamt> nope - I will hold off on that addons gate fix then
16:13:53 <lamt> so the structure will align
16:13:58 <portdirect> lamt: id still push it - its so close, and what im proposing will take a week
16:14:10 <lamt> ah
16:14:30 <portdirect> dwalt: ok if i push up a poc, and add you as a reviewer - and then we can take it from there?
16:14:38 <dwalt> sounds like a plan
16:15:30 <portdirect> lamt: you could however probably ignore my -1 and ref this meeting as why we can just copy the scripts in the short term ;)
16:15:42 <portdirect> ok to move on?
16:15:46 <srwilkers> I’d like to pile on here, and add that we also need to move all jobs to use the feature gate functionality
16:15:56 <portdirect> srwilkers: ++++ to that
16:16:10 <lamt> portdirect: will do
16:16:11 <srwilkers> As that will help further consolidate the things we dump on top of Kubernetes in our jobs
16:16:45 <srwilkers> That’s all I had to add - sorry
16:16:51 <portdirect> im frankly proposing a 'clean slate here', two ps: one that simply removes *all* our current gate code, and another that adds it back correctly
16:17:10 <srwilkers> Works for me
16:17:37 <portdirect> ok - lets go into the next topic im sure we would all like to slink away from
16:17:43 <portdirect> #topic docs
16:17:53 <portdirect> to say our docs have bit rot is unfair
16:18:04 <portdirect> as it imples they were great to begin with
16:18:16 <portdirect> but they are pretty rotten atm
16:18:28 <portdirect> and also with the above, will cease to work
16:19:02 <portdirect> i think we prooabbly need a working session on this
16:19:11 * portdirect wishes we had a ptg coming up
16:19:24 <srwilkers> ++ to all that
16:19:32 <portdirect> but i think we can proabably split the osh cabal into a few bits:
16:19:35 <srwilkers> Virtual midcycle sounds appropriate
16:19:41 <portdirect> Openstack Proper
16:19:57 <portdirect> Supporrting infra (mariadb/ceph etc)
16:20:00 <portdirect> and LMA
16:20:19 <portdirect> shoudl we consider splitting the docs like the above?
16:20:25 <srwilkers> Works for me
16:20:41 <stevthedev> I think that makes sense
16:21:03 <portdirect> srwilkers: virtual midcycle would be great
16:21:37 <portdirect> gagehugo: how have those been done for keystone?
16:23:10 <gagehugo> sorry was away
16:23:16 <portdirect> all good
16:23:30 <gagehugo> we've done telepresence over 2 days for ~4 hours each day
16:23:44 <gagehugo> depends on the amount of material I guess
16:23:56 <portdirect> and what was the process to set one up?
16:24:24 <gagehugo> we just announced it via the mailing list, used something like bluejeans/jitsu
16:24:57 <gagehugo> we used gotomeeting for one of them
16:25:28 <portdirect> nice - if there are no objections, i can get a mail out to the ml and propose some potential timeslots
16:25:42 <portdirect> i think 2 4 hour sessions would be a great starting point
16:26:26 <gagehugo> https://meet.jit.si/ was another one we used before
16:27:14 <portdirect> gagehugo: i think webex would be fine
16:27:31 <gagehugo> probaby
16:28:02 <portdirect> ok - anything else we should be thinking about this week before moving onto reviews?
16:30:43 <portdirect> #topic reviews
16:31:03 <roman_g> portdirect: add me as a reviewer to OSH gates change, please.
16:31:07 <portdirect> https://review.opendev.org/#/c/701235/ (Fixing the addons gate)
16:31:09 <roman_g> Hi all o/
16:31:42 <portdirect> hey roman_g - will do
16:31:54 <lamt> I will add a note to that PS, but it should in the short term get minimirror and ranger unblocked
16:32:00 <portdirect> ++
16:32:27 <lamt> without removing all the checks that is
16:32:27 <portdirect> if thats it for this week, lets give people some time back
16:34:27 <portdirect> ok folks
16:34:32 <portdirect> thanks for coming!
16:34:35 <portdirect> #endmeeting