08:01:42 <Daisy> #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting
08:01:43 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Sep 18 08:01:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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08:01:46 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'
08:02:04 <Daisy> Good afternoon, epico & ujuc
08:02:11 <Daisy> Anybody else?
08:02:23 <epico> good afternoon :)
08:03:05 <Daisy> Fdot won't join. He told me.
08:03:14 <Daisy> So let's start.
08:03:41 <Daisy> Today we will check Horizon translation progress and collect issues if you have.
08:03:58 <Daisy> #topic Horizon translation progress check and issue collection
08:04:12 <Daisy> ujuc: You did a good work in Horizon translation.
08:04:27 <ujuc> thanks :)
08:04:30 <Daisy> You are almost complete.
08:04:51 <Daisy> Just pay attention to the ML these days if there are string changes, somebody will send email to our ML.
08:05:09 <Daisy> Chinese team have good progress too.
08:05:46 <Daisy> But I'm worry about some languages like: Russian, Hindi, Serbian, and Dutch
08:06:01 <Daisy> I'm lost contact with these language coordinators.
08:07:03 <Daisy> fifieldt_: if you are there, come and have a chat.
08:07:37 <Daisy> I think, I have to ask help from community. Let's wait and see.
08:07:52 <Daisy> so now issues collection.
08:08:13 <Daisy> we get some emails in I18n ML to inform us string changes.
08:08:48 <Daisy> including a email from Yves-Gwenaël Bourhis.
08:09:11 <Daisy> He listed some patches, with 40+ string changes.
08:09:47 <Daisy> These patches are in order to improve translations of "action+noun".
08:10:01 <Daisy> I think they are useful, and the changes are not much.
08:10:12 <Daisy> So I prefer to merge them in these release.
08:10:17 <Daisy> agree  or not?
08:10:35 <chandankumar> Daisy, For Hindi I and rajeshr is here
08:10:43 <Daisy> Thanks, chandankumar
08:10:47 <mariantb> hi all, sorry t be late
08:10:52 <Daisy> I have confidence on you. I'm sure you will make it.
08:10:57 <Daisy> Hi, mariantb
08:11:01 <ujuc> hi
08:11:14 <Daisy> We are talking about the patches in Yves-Gwenaël Bourhis's email.
08:11:39 <Daisy> several patches to Horizon, with 40+ strings affected, in order to improve the translation of "action+noun".
08:11:45 <Daisy> Agree to merge or not?
08:12:21 <Daisy> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n
08:12:40 <Daisy> Sorry, wrong link.
08:13:07 <ujuc> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2014-September/000746.html
08:13:30 <Daisy> Thanks, ujuc.
08:13:37 <Daisy> agree to merge or not?
08:13:59 <ujuc> I agree
08:14:04 <Daisy> thanks, ujuc.
08:14:13 <mariantb> agree
08:14:22 <Daisy> thanks.
08:14:38 <Daisy> Then I will reply this mail and let him know we agree.
08:15:16 <Daisy> While you are translating, do you have any problems?
08:16:05 <Daisy> no problems and issues.
08:16:11 <Daisy> Great !
08:16:19 <ujuc> :))
08:16:39 <Daisy> Then let's work together to catch our goal: complete your language translation before Oct 2nd.
08:16:45 <Daisy> Thank you all.
08:16:50 <Daisy> Next topic
08:16:53 <Daisy> #open discussion
08:17:26 <Daisy> #topic open discussion
08:18:06 <Daisy> I got three language requests related with "Spanish"
08:18:09 <Daisy> in Transifex
08:18:36 <Daisy> Spanish (United States)
08:18:45 <Daisy> Spanish (Argentina)
08:18:55 <Daisy> Spanish (Latin America)
08:19:17 <Daisy> I don't know if I should agree with these new language team request or not.
08:19:33 <Daisy> I have no ideas about the differences among these Spanish languages.
08:20:33 <Daisy> Now we have Spanish and Spanish (Mexico)
08:20:42 <Daisy> mariantb_: your thoughts?
08:21:02 <Daisy> mariantb: your thoughts?
08:21:41 <mariantb_> As for Spanish I can see we are at 93 in two of the Juno pojects
08:21:55 <mariantb_> I will send an email to encourage participation again
08:22:11 <mariantb_> if we have engagement I think we'll be able to finish
08:22:28 <Daisy> I agree, I think you could, mariantb_ .
08:23:02 <Daisy> I got three language requests: Spanish (United States), Spanish (Argentina), Spanish (Latin America)
08:23:13 <Daisy> Shall I agree them ? mariantb_
08:23:34 <Daisy> There are three new language team requests in Transifex: Spanish (United States), Spanish (Argentina), Spanish (Latin America)
08:23:47 <mariantb_> are we going to share TM?
08:23:49 <Daisy> Do we really need so many Spanish team ?
08:24:10 <mariantb_> apparently someone thinks so :) it is true that we have some differences
08:24:12 <Daisy> I think NO
08:24:19 <mariantb_> but so many Spanish is too much
08:24:39 <Daisy> We already have 2 now: Spanish and Spanish (Mexico).
08:25:01 <mariantb_> normally in localisation industry you have two big blocks: Spanish (Spain) and Spanish (LatAm)
08:25:17 <mariantb_> I am not coordinating anything from the Mexico one, don't know who is in charge there
08:25:35 <Daisy> Nothing happened there, actually.
08:25:45 <Daisy> I don't see the team activities from Mexico.
08:25:46 <mariantb_> ok
08:26:19 <Daisy> So I will deny these three requests and ask them to send email to our ML, Let's have an open discussion if they want to apply.
08:26:31 <mariantb_> agree
08:26:47 <Daisy> I have rejected several Chinese language requests before. :)
08:27:01 <mariantb_> we are also using the general Openstack in Spanish mailing list to communicate
08:27:24 <Daisy> ok.
08:27:58 <Daisy> I have done all things I want to talk. Any topics from you?
08:28:17 <Daisy> it looks like we have a very short meeting today.
08:28:19 <mariantb_> sorry maybe it has already been asked. Can we share the test website with as many people as we can?
08:28:35 <Daisy> You mean, the test website from Akihiro?
08:28:38 <mariantb_> yes
08:28:52 <Daisy> It's only for translation test.
08:28:59 <Daisy> Not for OpenStack test.
08:29:15 <mariantb_> ok, because we are using the general Spanish mailing list, where there are users who are not involved in the i18n team
08:29:20 <mariantb_> I will use Trnasifex then
08:29:22 <Daisy> And you cannot create volumes many times.
08:29:36 <mariantb_> thanks
08:30:05 <Daisy> mariantb_: Akihiro's server is not powerful at all. If you want to include more people to do the translation test, I think it's OK.
08:30:26 <Daisy> I think we'd better not broadcast the website.
08:30:37 <mariantb_> ok
08:30:49 <mariantb_> yes that is what I thought
08:31:07 <Daisy> Akihiro's server could support several translators testing at the same time, just be cautious not to create many volumes.
08:32:16 <mariantb_> ok
08:32:33 <amotoki> (though i am in another meeting) except volume size my server can be used by multiple folks.
08:32:34 <Daisy> I'm contacting with Infra team to ask for powerful test machines. it may not get ready so soon. I hope we could use the new test server next release.
08:32:43 <amotoki> japanese team does so.
08:33:03 <Daisy> thanks for jumping out, amotoki.
08:34:09 <Daisy> any other questions?
08:34:35 <ujuc> no
08:34:38 <Daisy> if no, we could end the meeting then.
08:34:39 <mariantb_> no
08:34:43 <Daisy> Thank you all for joining.
08:34:57 <Daisy> Let's keep closely contact till we finish this release.
08:34:59 <amotoki> any announce on the date?
08:35:03 <mariantb_> thanks
08:35:05 <Daisy> Pay attention to the ML.
08:35:11 <Daisy> amotoki: what date?
08:35:27 <amotoki> Horizon RC1 is now planned around Aug 25.
08:35:47 <amotoki> Translation import can be in RC2 too.
08:35:47 <Daisy> How about Horizon RC 2?
08:36:05 <Daisy> The deadline I set to translators is Oct 2nd.
08:36:11 <amotoki> Until RC1, all transifex translations are synced with git repo automatically.
08:36:11 <Daisy> Do you think it's OK?
08:36:22 <amotoki> i am not sure the exact date on RC2.
08:36:49 <amotoki> It depends on situation, so I would like suggest to set the deadline to Sep 30.
08:36:52 <Daisy> Juno release is Oct 16. So I think Oct 2nd is a safe date.
08:37:20 <amotoki> s/deadline/first target/
08:38:24 <Daisy> I have announced in the mailing list and the deadline is set as Oct 2nd.
08:39:05 <amotoki> I think it is time to define the official time line to import translations.
08:39:20 <Daisy> I know each project could decide their own date for RC2.
08:39:29 <amotoki> as a release management (at now it is only related to Horizon)
08:39:52 <Daisy> who could define the official time line to import translation?
08:40:10 <amotoki> For stable update release, I already have an agreement that translation patch freeze is three days after the freeze.
08:40:11 <Daisy> During our previous release, manually import is done after RC1, right?
08:40:26 <Daisy> How many imports did you do in last release?
08:40:43 <amotoki> I believe this kind of the time line should be defined/agreed across projects.
08:41:01 <amotoki> git log.... now
08:41:04 <Daisy> It's only related with horizon, in this release.
08:41:16 <Daisy> We only translate Horizon this time.
08:41:24 <Daisy> so, only related with Horizon.
08:41:54 <amotoki> i think only once (around RC2)
08:42:32 <Daisy> Once is good enough.
08:42:45 <amotoki> and update translations in 2014.1.2 update.
08:43:41 <Daisy> amotoki: as I said, the manual translation import is only related with Horizon. Horizon could decide the date to import translation in RC2.
08:44:31 <Daisy> So I hope while Horizon team is talking about the release schedule, you could help me to inform them that our translators set the translation deadline as Oct. 2nd.
08:45:16 <Daisy> The formal Juno release date is Oct 16th. Oct 2nd is two weeks before.
08:45:37 <ujuc> RC2 list date 10/2 .... translation deadline is 9/30??
08:45:47 <ujuc> s/list/last/g
08:46:46 <Daisy> nobody know RC2 date yet.
08:47:06 <ujuc> a... ha :)
08:47:08 <Daisy> based on my experience, RC2 date depends on many things.
08:47:33 <Daisy> team usually decide RC2 date after RC1.
08:47:48 <Daisy> and the progress of important patches.
08:49:11 <Daisy> amotoki: I know you are in another meeting. Let's talk after the meeting.
08:49:15 <Daisy> I will close this one now.
08:49:33 <Daisy> Thank you all for attending!
08:49:35 <Daisy> #endmeeting