13:03:41 <Daisy> #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting
13:03:42 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Dec 17 13:03:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:03:54 <Daisy> who is here for I18n meeting ?
13:04:07 <ujuc> me
13:04:09 <eumel8> I'm here :)
13:04:24 <ujuc> o/
13:04:29 <ianychoi_phone> Hello i am outside but keep being here using my phone
13:05:04 <katomo> Hi
13:05:21 <Daisy> Hi, ujuc, eumel8, ianychoi_phone, katomo
13:05:30 <Daisy> Let's start.
13:05:53 <Daisy> #topic Status update: Liberty installation guide translation
13:07:06 <Daisy> my network is very slow. Freshing Zanata home page now.
13:07:41 <Daisy> I think we plan to finish installation guide translation in Jan.
13:07:52 <Daisy> From the progress, Japanese team and Chinese team have good progress.
13:08:06 <Daisy> I wonder if any other language teams want to finish the translation of installation guide.
13:08:32 <Daisy> ujuc: does Korean team have any plan ?
13:09:29 <eumel8> for German: I'm finished the Upstream training guide now and I'm on 91% on the wiki page with Liberty Release Notes. Will focus on the Installation guide starting on the beginning next year
13:09:30 <ujuc> i think meddle jan
13:09:46 <ianychoi_phone> :)
13:09:55 <eumel8> and recruiting more people for translation team :)
13:10:01 <Daisy> Thank you for the update, eumel8 and ujuc
13:10:02 <ujuc> 1/10-1/20
13:10:47 <Daisy> Good work. I think we could have 4 languages translated for installation guide. It will be a good achievement.
13:11:09 <Daisy> Chinese team will finish both the review and the translation in Jan.
13:11:32 <Daisy> Let's move to next topic
13:11:37 <Daisy> #topic Discussion: Midcycle spring/virtual spring
13:11:47 <Daisy> http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/open-design.html
13:12:26 <Daisy> It's near the mid term of Mitaka dev cycle now.
13:12:52 <Daisy> Project team can plan the mid cycle spring now.
13:13:17 <Daisy> There are two kinds of springs. One is a face to face meet up, the other is a virtual spring.
13:14:19 <Daisy> Do you want a face to face meet up? Could our I18n members get the sponsor for the travel ? :))
13:14:22 <eumel8> It's in Austin or another location?
13:14:51 <Daisy> No, it's a midcycle, not in Austin. We could plan any place.
13:15:14 <ianychoi_phone> Then it could be in Jan-Feb?
13:15:30 <Daisy> Yes, in Jan or in Feb.
13:15:51 <ujuc> Hu...
13:16:10 <katomo> What is topic?
13:16:17 <Daisy> If we are not able to meet face to face in the midcycle, we could plan a virtual spring.
13:16:43 <katomo> *sprint
13:16:47 <ujuc> Virtual sprint +1
13:16:57 <Daisy> Midcycle meet up is more like a small design summit. We could schedule as we want.
13:16:58 <ianychoi_phone> Virtual sprint +1
13:17:04 <katomo> +1 for virtual sprint
13:17:23 <eumel8> near to you, Daisy. Or virtual
13:17:32 <Daisy> :)
13:17:42 <Daisy> I vote for virtual too.
13:18:00 <Daisy> ok. Then let's plan a virtual sprint.
13:18:10 <eumel8> +1
13:18:12 <Daisy> According to our plans at the beginning of this cycle,
13:18:21 <Daisy> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tokyo-i18n-meetup
13:18:43 <Daisy> There are two items far behind.
13:19:00 <Daisy> One is translation check website. The other is translators contribution in stackayltics.
13:19:16 <Daisy> I hope to hold a sprint for translation check website
13:19:58 <Daisy> I don't know if adiantum could agree to hold a sprint for the stackayltics feature.
13:20:52 <katomo> hmmm, translation check website is very important.
13:21:37 <Daisy> We could use 2 days, working together to push the progress of translation check website.
13:22:24 <katomo> great
13:22:30 <eumel8> sounds good
13:22:33 <Daisy> If we are not able to use work hours, we may use the one day of weekend. :)
13:22:48 <ujuc_> +1x10000
13:23:16 <Daisy> maybe a Friday and a Saturday. I don't know. Because I know some of you are working for OpenStack I18n in spare time.
13:23:18 <eumel8> also if there always some requirements described for the check site
13:23:49 <ianychoi_phone> One question, for virtual meeting, can we use virtual meeting systems like gotomeeting?
13:24:06 <eumel8> for me is Fri/Sat okay
13:24:07 <katomo> Friday and Saturday sounds reasonable
13:25:05 <eumel8> but not the 19th Feb ;)
13:25:33 <Daisy> ujuc_: :))
13:25:33 <Daisy> Then I will make a plan, and will communicate through mailing list.
13:25:33 <Daisy> any suggestions to this topic ?
13:25:33 <Daisy> I mean, any other suggestions to the sprint ?
13:25:50 <Daisy> I may schedule a date in the last tens of Jan.
13:26:17 <Daisy> If we could make something happen, maybe we can schedule one more sprint for the stackalytics feature.
13:27:04 <Daisy> One virtual sprint in the end of Jan. If it's a successful experience, we can schedule one more sprint in Feb.
13:27:14 <katomo> Can we submit the ATC list for the ATC discount code of Austin summit?
13:27:26 <Daisy> It's a good question, katomo
13:28:27 <Daisy> There are two ways. One is manually submitting as before, the other is to change the ATC collection program to auto collecting.
13:28:55 <Daisy> I think there is a program in infra repo to collect ATC names.
13:29:41 <Daisy> We need to decide the principles for ATC, the time period and the translation words.
13:30:55 <ianychoi_phone> I suggest: 200 words for Liberty and 200 words for Mitaka cycle for ATC
13:30:59 <katomo> same as before? any change?
13:31:07 <Daisy> I think we need some changes.
13:31:22 <katomo> hmmm
13:31:40 <Daisy> Because the rules for dev ATC are getting strict.
13:31:51 <Daisy> Less time and more contributions than before.
13:32:16 <Daisy> Last release, when I submit the ATC name list to governance repo, I have gotten the warning.
13:32:50 <eumel8> less time and more contribution? How this will work?
13:32:53 <Daisy> The period is changing from 1 year to 6 month.
13:33:13 <eumel8> ah, you mean the timeframe?
13:33:22 <Daisy> only 1 patch is not enough for getting a ticket. More patches are required.
13:33:29 <Daisy> Yes, eumel8
13:33:29 <ianychoi_phone> No. Andreas said that ATC is for one year and summit pass is for 6 months
13:33:45 <Daisy> ATC period is for 1 year.
13:34:02 <Daisy> You are right, ianychoi_phone. I'm talking about the ticket pass.
13:34:13 <Daisy> what we are talking now then?
13:34:14 <ianychoi_phone> Okay, got it.
13:34:22 <Daisy> Sorry I may misunderstand.
13:34:36 <Daisy> katomo: are you talking about ATC or the ticket pass ?
13:35:00 <katomo> both
13:35:06 <Daisy> ok.
13:35:25 <katomo> ATC is 2 cycle, code is 1 cycle.
13:36:16 <eumel8> In Zanata I have words, messages and documents. How big is a patch?
13:36:36 <Daisy> We need a volunteer to look at the mechanism of other projects ATC and ticket, and design our mechanism for our ATC and ticket
13:36:41 <katomo> I thik ticket pass is more important for most people
13:36:50 <Daisy> I agree, katomo.
13:37:57 <Daisy> katomo: I think the mechanism for Austin ticket may be not decided.
13:38:04 <Daisy> the rules, I mean.
13:38:14 <katomo> hmmm
13:38:24 <Daisy> katomo: could you find out ?
13:38:36 <ianychoi_phone> Okay let's discuss through mailing list and talk later...
13:38:42 <katomo> I dont know
13:38:52 <Daisy> ok, katomo
13:39:14 <ianychoi_phone> I will think about it but not sure whether i might find good decision..
13:39:23 <Daisy> ianychoi_phone: thank you.
13:39:46 <katomo> I believe Tom know
13:40:02 <Daisy> I could contact Tom.
13:40:03 <ianychoi_phone> Daisy. You are welcome:)
13:40:18 <ianychoi_phone> +1 Tom
13:40:23 <Daisy> :)
13:40:43 <eumel8> I'll take also a look into
13:40:45 <ujuc_> :)
13:40:51 <Daisy> Let topic is related with the ATC rules.
13:41:15 <Daisy> #topic Discussion: remove openstack from Transifex ?
13:41:40 <Daisy> This topic is related with the ATC and ticket rules.
13:42:56 <Daisy> ianychoi_phone: I read your emails. I think I won't support to merge the contribution data of Transifex and Zanata. It's hard to implement.
13:43:46 <ianychoi_phone> Daisy: I understand it. Don't worry too much about merging stuff..
13:43:47 <Daisy> When we decide to delete OpenStack from Transifex, we will not consider the statistic data in Transifex any more.
13:44:21 <eumel8> are the information not already in git?
13:44:46 <ianychoi_phone> Just querying from April to Oct and share to check atc status.. That will be sufficient i think
13:47:05 <ianychoi_phone> Other requirement would be listing all the members in Transifex.. to acknowledge them IMO...
13:47:41 <Daisy_> back
13:47:47 <Daisy_> anything I missed ?
13:47:52 <katomo> eumel8: no
13:48:22 <katomo> the translations themselves is in git.
13:48:30 <Daisy_> Could we have a vote here now ? Or do we wait for the answers for the ATC and ticket rules ?
13:48:33 <katomo> no stats
13:48:56 <katomo> okay
13:49:12 <ianychoi_phone> Just querying from April to Oct and share to check atc status.. That will be sufficient i think...
13:49:21 <katomo> vote time!
13:49:25 <ianychoi_phone> (Copying and pasting)
13:49:27 <ianychoi_phone> Good
13:49:31 <ujuc_> vote!
13:49:35 <ianychoi_phone> Let's vote
13:49:54 <eumel8> If older information about atc status only in Transiflex so we have to keep them or put the separated information in a git
13:50:31 <Daisy_> Then vote for deleting openstack from Transifex
13:50:40 <Daisy_> who support ?
13:52:13 <Daisy_> -1. I prefer to wait till the ATC and ticket rules are clear. Not immediately delete in a hurry.
13:53:08 <ianychoi_phone> I will follow Daisy's suggestion!!
13:53:28 <Daisy_> ianychoi_phone: :)
13:54:04 <Daisy_> eumel8, katomo, ujuc_?
13:54:15 <Daisy_> adiantum: I don't know if you are here.
13:54:20 <eumel8> @ianychoi_phone: so, it's not easy to collect the information about atc?
13:55:03 <eumel8> +1 if you have the information for atc, -1 if not
13:55:05 <ianychoi_phone> I think.. it would not be difficult but we need to make some clear guidelines...
13:55:26 <Daisy_> ianychoi_phone: I will spend some time to figure out.
13:55:33 <eumel8> okay, not clear - then -1
13:55:34 <katomo> +1. Save the stats from April to Oct, and delete from Transifex.
13:56:09 <ujuc_> -1
13:56:14 <Daisy_> ok. 4 -1.
13:56:15 <ianychoi_phone> Daisy_: thanks. katomo: i agree that will be sufficient but let's find other possible issues..
13:57:03 <Daisy_> Let's continue to discuss in the mailing list.
13:57:09 <eumel8> yes
13:57:13 <ujuc_> yes
13:57:15 <ianychoi_phone> Okay!
13:57:15 <Daisy_> I will send my investigation result to ML next week.
13:57:16 <katomo> Another one is horizon kilo translation
13:57:20 <katomo> k
13:57:31 <Daisy_> #topic Open discussion
13:57:37 <Daisy_> katomo: what do you mean ?
13:57:46 <Daisy_> Another one is horizon kilo translation ?
13:58:10 <katomo> stable-kilo doesn't exist at Zanata
13:58:23 <katomo> stable-kilo is life.
13:58:23 <Daisy_> Yeah. It's a good point.
13:58:42 <ianychoi_phone> Nice point, katomo :)
13:58:44 <Daisy_> stable-kilo should be in git , I think.
13:59:12 <Daisy_> We have 1 minute left.
13:59:37 <Daisy_> more discussions could go to i18n channel.
13:59:47 <katomo> thanks, all
13:59:50 <Daisy_> Thank you all for attending the meeting.
13:59:58 <ianychoi_phone> But data is in each project repo for each project
13:59:59 <eumel8> thx also
14:00:01 <ianychoi_phone> Thanks all
14:00:05 <Daisy_> It is so nice to talk with you.
14:00:09 <Daisy_> #endmeeting
14:00:17 <ujuc_> thx :)
14:00:43 <Daisy_> #endmeeting
14:01:32 <ujuc_> um .. meeting bot down?
14:02:01 <Daisy_> I don't know. Nothing happened.
14:02:06 <Daisy_> #endmeeting
14:02:11 <ianychoi_phone> Strange...
14:03:43 <Daisy_> the bot is down
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