13:01:32 <jftalta> #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting
13:01:32 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Oct 13 13:01:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jftalta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:01:35 <ianychoi_phone> jftalta: could you run meeting? Wow!
13:01:36 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'
13:01:48 <ujuc> :-))
13:02:02 <ianychoi_phone> :)
13:02:10 <jftalta> #topic last meeting actions review
13:02:30 <jftalta> ianychoi ?...
13:02:35 <ianychoi_phone> Let's see..
13:03:19 <jftalta> Hi daisy
13:03:19 <ianychoi_phone> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-10-06-07.00.html
13:03:26 <Daisy> Hi, jftalta
13:03:46 <ianychoi_phone> Hi Daisy!
13:03:51 <zzxwill> Hi Daisy:)
13:03:56 <ujuc> hi daisy
13:04:08 <Daisy> Hi all
13:04:17 <JoseMello> hi
13:04:19 <ianychoi_phone> I think we accomplished all actions except Barcelona Design Summit plan.
13:04:28 <Daisy> congratulations~
13:04:33 <jftalta> great
13:04:33 <ianychoi_phone> Let's discuss with later topic
13:04:40 <eumel8> Hi Daisy! Long time no seen
13:04:49 <Daisy> Hi, eumel8
13:04:58 <jftalta> ok, so let's open next topic
13:05:09 <ianychoi_phone> +1
13:05:49 <ujuc> +1
13:05:54 <jftalta> #topic merging stable-newton to master
13:06:14 <jftalta> ianychoy ?
13:06:38 <jftalta> Hi tonytan_brb
13:06:50 <tonytan_brb> hi jftalta
13:06:56 <ianychoi_phone> #action ianychoi will merge Horizon translation result from stable-newton to master
13:07:16 <jftalta> hi dmacpher
13:07:34 <ianychoi_phone> Since there are lots of translations in stable-newton, we need to merge to master
13:07:35 <dmacpher_> Howdy
13:07:51 <ianychoi_phone> I will do that and announce later ;)
13:07:55 <eumel8> +1
13:08:08 <Daisy> +1
13:08:13 <ianychoi_phone> I think Horizon related projects will be target..
13:08:23 <jftalta> +1
13:08:35 <ujuc> +1
13:08:40 <ianychoi_phone> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/i18n,n,z
13:09:03 <ianychoi_phone> And this link is open reviews. Anyone is welcome to write comments :)
13:09:09 <jftalta> hi jimholl
13:10:12 <jftalta> anything more to say about this topic ?
13:10:23 <ianychoi_phone> Yep then, now eumel8 's turn! :)
13:10:34 <jftalta> ok, next topic
13:10:45 <ianychoi_phone> Nope:) sorry i am slow through my phone..
13:10:52 <jftalta> #topic translation checksite
13:11:04 <jftalta> eumel8 ?
13:11:07 <eumel8> yeah, translation checksite
13:12:03 <eumel8> I've sent a new proposal for rollout openstack-ansible and the included horizon site in container
13:12:23 <jftalta> to the infra team ?
13:12:36 <eumel8> partly
13:13:10 <eumel8> The question is, if infra team can deal with this kind of installation
13:13:24 <ianychoi_phone> eumel8: yep thanks a lot!
13:13:49 <eumel8> you like this direction with ansible or you want to spend more time in DevStack and puppet
13:13:51 <ianychoi_phone> Elizabeth will see your proposal
13:13:55 <eumel8> thats the question
13:14:19 <jftalta> imho, OSA is a good direction
13:14:20 <ianychoi_phone> Personally it is hard to run DevStack without errors..
13:15:05 <jftalta> +1
13:15:46 <eumel8> Maybe I want to join the next infra team meeting on Tuesday to clarify
13:16:00 <ianychoi_phone> My question is that is it possible to run OSA with latest Horizon sources? eumel8 ?
13:16:17 <ianychoi_phone> eumel8: +1 :)
13:16:32 <eumel8> Yes, I think so, the sources are already fetched from git
13:16:34 <ujuc> :)
13:16:41 <eumel8> like in DevStack
13:17:01 <jftalta> from git or from pip repo ?
13:17:10 <eumel8> git
13:17:14 <jftalta> ok
13:17:28 <ianychoi_phone> Wow good!!!
13:18:22 <jftalta> it would be great if we could get the translation checksite for Ocata cycle
13:18:36 <zzxwill> Agreed!
13:18:37 <ianychoi_phone> #action eumel8 will attend infra team meeting to discuss translation checksite
13:18:45 <eumel8> yes
13:18:50 <ujuc> +1 :))
13:18:58 <jftalta> +1
13:18:59 <ianychoi_phone> jftalta: i really want to :)
13:19:32 <jftalta> yes, I do know ;)
13:19:54 <ianychoi_phone> Ok. Then next topic?
13:20:28 <jftalta> #topic hard string freeze period criteria
13:21:38 <ianychoi_phone> So.. currently we are discussing 75%, 66%, and 40%.
13:22:01 <ianychoi_phone> 75% is translation job inclusion
13:22:15 <ianychoi_phone> 66% is for release inclusion
13:22:37 <ianychoi_phone> And 40% is cutting criteria
13:22:58 <zzxwill> So ianychoi_phone, you can +1 workflow for the fix?
13:23:09 <eumel8> 40% was too high for me. I mentioned already
13:23:10 <ianychoi_phone> This 40% was previously 20%
13:23:13 <jftalta> could you please explain "job" inclusion ?
13:23:21 <ianychoi_phone> Everyone is okay?
13:23:50 <ujuc> um...
13:23:53 <ujuc> ok :)
13:23:56 <ianychoi_phone> jftalta: import job from Zanata to openstack repository
13:24:21 <jftalta> ok
13:25:19 <ianychoi_phone> If there is any concern on this, please tell me
13:25:44 <jftalta> I don't know what to think of these values...
13:26:12 <eumel8> Why was the lower value changed from 20 to 40%?
13:27:22 <eumel8> I miss my comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384183/
13:27:30 <ianychoi_phone> eumel8: good question. Andreas mainly see infra side jobs and it was too difficult to manage all the translation jobs.. So he changed for cleanup purpose.
13:28:07 <ianychoi_phone> From later I want to change values with discussion.
13:28:40 <eumel8> ok, my comment was: there are also a lots of work in this 40% part, so I wouldn't cut it so hard.
13:28:45 <ianychoi_phone> It was changed without discussion, but I want to ask all translators: whether this value is acceptable to us or not
13:29:23 <ianychoi_phone> eumel8: okay :)
13:29:56 <ianychoi_phone> Then.. it seems that nobody has objections on 20->40%
13:30:21 <jftalta> I think local teams have to discuss this topic
13:30:47 <eumel8> sounds good!
13:30:55 <ianychoi_phone> Hmm, then having one more week round would be better?
13:31:14 <eumel8> yes
13:31:22 <jftalta> one or two...
13:31:41 <ujuc> hmmm..... two week
13:31:53 <ianychoi_phone> Yep then let's facilitate more local discussions and finalize on Design summit!
13:31:54 <jftalta> Hi Leo_
13:31:56 <zzxwill> For Chinese team, we will agree the change (20-40%). Right, Daisy?
13:32:13 <Leo_> hi
13:32:24 <ianychoi_phone> Leo_: hi :)
13:32:51 <Daisy> I agree with you, zzxwill.
13:33:04 <zzxwill> Thanks:)
13:33:19 <ianychoi_phone> #info let's have more local discussions on 20->40% criteria and fix around Design Summit
13:33:41 <ianychoi_phone> Then move on??
13:33:48 <zzxwill> Okay.
13:33:59 <jftalta> next topic ?
13:34:10 <ianychoi_phone> +1 :)
13:34:46 <jftalta> #topic contributors meetup planning and reviewing
13:35:40 <ianychoi_phone> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barcelona-i18n-meetup
13:36:30 <ianychoi_phone> Daisy: would like to participate in virtual meeting : http://doodle.com/poll/zny89dgs53n28y56
13:37:02 <Daisy> Let me check
13:37:10 <ianychoi_phone> I want to skip IRC meeting on that week and open virtual meeting during Design Summit
13:37:31 <jftalta> +1
13:37:42 <ujuc> +1
13:37:52 <Daisy> +1
13:38:14 <Daisy> ianychoi_phone: I will add my answer to that survey.
13:38:21 <eumel8> Is virtual now IRC or Google hangout?
13:38:23 <jftalta> we still have a couple of days to fill out the agenda
13:38:26 <ianychoi_phone> +1 thanks!
13:38:33 <ianychoi_phone> Both i think
13:38:55 <eumel8> k
13:39:26 <ianychoi_phone> If you have more idea on Design Summit please add to Etherpad
13:39:37 <jftalta> hi jgregor
13:40:32 <ianychoi_phone> I will finalize virtual meeting time with in a fews days later..
13:40:52 <zzxwill> ianychoi_phone, I added one item to the Etherpad, thanks.
13:41:18 <ianychoi_phone> And i am finding other team people to come to I18n contrubiutor meeting
13:41:31 <ianychoi_phone> If you think someone please tell me
13:41:34 <jftalta> +1
13:42:11 <Daisy> ianychoi_phone: Do you know if any Zanata developers go to summit ?
13:42:32 <ianychoi_phone> Daisy unfortunately no but Alex will come to virtual meetup
13:42:38 <Daisy> ok.
13:42:55 <jftalta> and what about Carlos ?
13:43:31 <ianychoi_phone> jftalta: i think i asked to Alex but no AFAIK
13:43:50 <jftalta> ok
13:44:26 <ianychoi_phone> Okay then move on?
13:44:52 <zzxwill> please.
13:44:56 <jftalta> ok, lets' move to the last topic
13:45:05 <jftalta> #topic landing page
13:45:34 <jftalta> what landing page are we talking about ?
13:45:37 <ianychoi_phone> zzxwill: would you tell on that?
13:45:56 <ianychoi_phone> I think he asked it..
13:46:19 <zzxwill> As Ian mentioned two links install-guide-obs and install-guide-ubuntu for Chinese, I am working on to put those two in the landing page.
13:46:22 <zzxwill> http://docs.openstack.org/zh_CN/
13:46:44 <zzxwill> The fix will be available tonight.
13:46:55 <Daisy> Great, zzxwill
13:47:03 <ianychoi_phone> Great
13:47:08 <jftalta> :)
13:47:14 <ianychoi_phone> Any questions on that?
13:47:26 <zzxwill> But I don't know all the links which are translated for Chinese. How can I know the all, ianchoi_phone?
13:47:39 <zzxwill> Thanks Daisy.
13:49:41 <jftalta> no question for me
13:50:32 <jftalta> can we move to the open discussion ?
13:50:38 <ujuc> yes
13:51:02 <ianychoi> hello
13:51:04 <ianychoi> zzxwill, sorry.. I changed to my original laptop :)
13:51:07 <Daisy> It's a good question. I'm not able to answer. I suggest you to check the translation progresses of zh_CN documents at first, figure out which documents you want to add to the Chinese main page. And then send email to ML and ask for the links. I think Andreas should know that.
13:51:38 <ianychoi> zzxwill, I think your question is nice. Yep I can find them. I will let you know :)
13:51:45 <Daisy> ianychoi: zzxwill is asking how he can get the links of translated documents.
13:51:47 <jftalta> ianychoi : you're welcome ;)
13:51:51 <zzxwill> Got it, I will follow the suggestion. Thank you Daisy.
13:52:05 <ianychoi> #action ianychoi will find zh_CN documents and tell zzxwill
13:52:15 <Daisy> Thank you, ianychoi.
13:52:24 <zzxwill> That's great. Thank you, ianychoi.
13:52:25 <ianychoi> Daisy, it's my pleasure :)
13:52:29 <ianychoi> zzxwill, np :)
13:52:48 <ianychoi> Then.. let's move on open discussion
13:52:50 <zzxwill> no more question, please go ahead, jftalta.
13:52:55 <jftalta> ok
13:53:01 <jftalta> #topic open discussion
13:53:17 <ianychoi> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2016-October/002524.html
13:53:50 <ianychoi> Cloud Suhartono is Indonesian translator and he contributed the most during last Cycle
13:54:22 <ianychoi> I think he really wants to participate in IRC meeting but it seems that he is unfamiliar with IRC meeting protocols..
13:54:35 <Daisy> :)
13:54:40 <ianychoi> Using IRC is too difficult for translators?
13:54:53 <eumel8> sometimes, yes
13:54:54 <tinwood> hi, may I ask a quick question about where the generic driver tries to launch an instance?  It seems to be on the same machine as the manila-share service?
13:55:01 <Daisy> I'm fine. I use ChatZilla, a firefox plugin.
13:55:06 <jftalta> and sometimes, no
13:55:16 <ianychoi> tinwood, sorry we are having internationalization meeting now.
13:55:18 <tinwood> sorry for noise/wrong room
13:55:59 <ianychoi> I think now it will be great opportunity to find out what is difficult thing for new translators to particpate in I18n team
13:56:00 <ujuc> I using thunderbird.
13:56:06 <jftalta> only 4 minutes remaining
13:56:08 <eumel8> we had this IBM guys for translation last year and they never heard about IRC ;)
13:56:20 <ianychoi> jftalta, yep .. T.T
13:56:30 <ianychoi> eumel8, that's a pity.. I think IRC is very important
13:56:45 <eumel8> ianychoi: I added this point to the Barcelona agenda
13:56:52 <Daisy> eumel8: IRC may be popular for developers, may be not for translators.
13:56:59 <jftalta> +1
13:57:03 <ianychoi> But although some language teams will not come to IRC, I think I have some missions to ask them by e-mail..
13:57:18 <jftalta> communication tools is a real issue
13:57:19 <ujuc> i aggre.
13:57:28 <Daisy> ianychoi: I think if there is web client for IRC, that can lower the barrier to join.
13:57:32 <ianychoi> And another question... now I am writing too much e-mails on i18n mailing list.
13:57:36 <ianychoi> Is it okay for all?
13:57:45 <eumel8> sorry, have to leave to catch the train. cu next week :)
13:57:50 <ianychoi> Daisy, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting
13:57:56 <jftalta> bye eumel8
13:57:58 <ianychoi> I added the link to join #openstack-i18n channel
13:58:06 <jftalta> ok
13:58:24 <ianychoi> #link http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=openstack-i18n,openstack-meeting
13:58:36 <Daisy> yeah, I see, ianychoi.
13:58:39 <jftalta> thx ianychoi
13:58:51 <Daisy> The first tool I used to try IRC is this website.
13:58:55 <ianychoi> jftalta, thank you very much for running today IRC meeting!
13:59:02 <Daisy> Thank you, jftalta
13:59:04 <jftalta> my pleasure :)
13:59:13 <ianychoi> And thank you all for today partipation.
13:59:24 <ianychoi> If you have more discussion, let's move on
13:59:28 <ianychoi> #openstack-i18n channel.
13:59:33 <Daisy> Thank you all.
13:59:37 <zzxwill> Thank you, bye.
13:59:50 <ujuc> Thank you all :) bye.
13:59:50 <jftalta> good bye everyone. See you in Barcelona !
13:59:51 <Daisy> bye.
13:59:59 <ianychoi> Bye all! :)
14:00:05 <ianychoi> #endmeeting
14:00:14 <ianychoi> jftalta, please #endmeeting
14:00:21 <jftalta> sorry...
14:00:24 <jftalta> #endmeeting