07:03:13 #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting 07:03:14 Meeting started Thu Oct 20 07:03:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 07:03:15 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 07:03:17 The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' 07:03:35 Hi emuel8. 07:03:56 hi zzxwill 07:03:58 hi eumel8 zzxwill :) 07:04:06 hi ianychoi 07:04:17 Although there are three, let's start 07:04:24 #topic last meeting actions review 07:04:25 yes 07:04:38 #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-10-13-13.01.html 07:05:17 There were three actions. I merged Horizon translation result from stable-newton to master, although some strings were merged yesterday by aeng 07:05:27 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2016-October/002558.html 07:05:39 Horizon translation is merged to master 07:05:50 #info Horizon translation result from stable-newton to master has been merged! 07:06:22 Yep since there is a bug in current Zanata 3.7.3, some strings would not be still merged. 07:06:45 If then, please tell me and then I will consider merge process.. by upcoming Barcelona Design summit 07:07:02 And.. eumel8 and me attended infra meeting :) 07:07:16 eumel8, could you briefly tell meeting result? 07:07:16 yes, I've read this and Robert is taking care on it 07:07:32 yes, ianychoi 07:08:16 the meeting was on Tuesday, we presented the proposal and it seems we're on the right way because infra team would support this 07:08:40 The proposal was accepted, I would say. 07:09:07 Now we can start with the planning phase and define the requirements 07:09:07 Yep I think so! but we need to refine infra-specs 07:09:24 or review the current requirements from the DevStack installation 07:10:02 the new installation will based on openstack-ansible on the long running server in openstack infra 07:11:03 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-os_translation-checksite 07:11:53 Yep.. will be so nice :) Regarding this, currently I think creating a brief refine patchset to infra-specs for current translation-checksite spec with workflow -1 would be a good idea. How do you think about it, eumel8 ? Or more refining using the Etherpad would be better? 07:11:58 #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/translation_check_site.html 07:13:12 I think we have to redesign the spec 07:13:53 Then, redesigning means that.. more revising to the current spec? or creating a new spec? 07:14:29 revising the chapter "Proposed Change" 07:14:31 Regarding this, I am not sure whether it will be good to change current assignees in current translation-checksite infra spec 07:14:34 or not 07:14:44 Problem description is still clear 07:15:25 and the topic is also the same "Provide a translation check site for translators" 07:15:56 Yep I think more refining to current spec would be good 07:16:21 or we ask Daisy before. She's the Primary assignee 07:16:32 Are those Assignees there still active? 07:16:52 zzxwill, currently it seems that only eumel8 is one active assignee :) 07:17:07 zzxwill: mhmm, more or less ;) 07:17:17 And me for coordination, aha and also pleia2 :) 07:17:47 KATO? I don't know 07:17:49 zzxwill, are you interested in translation-checksite? 07:17:57 Okay. I am checking with Daisy whether she is available for our meeting. 07:18:07 Yes, I am interested in it:) 07:18:11 +1 07:18:17 Oh good 07:18:18 +1 07:19:13 eumel8, how about changing just format in current etherpad notes according to infra-specs? 07:19:28 Then we would have more clear steps I think 07:19:33 ok 07:20:09 #action eumel8 will change formats in current Etherpad according to infra-specs 07:20:34 we need also this storyboard? #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000267 07:20:40 And me.. will think about better plans on restarting period 07:21:11 Yep storyboard! 07:21:30 I have heard that launchpad will be replaced with storyboard (but not in near plan) 07:22:22 #action ianychoi will design a translation-checksite restart and update plan with releases 07:22:49 ok 07:24:38 Okay... 07:24:49 Since we have many things to be discussed... 07:25:06 Anyway I told zzxwill the list of Chinese documentations :) 07:25:13 Let's move to the next topic. 07:25:20 Yes, you did. 07:25:38 #topic informational 07:26:06 #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg 07:26:30 #info PTG is Project Team Gathering, and the first PTG will be held on Feb 2017 07:26:43 #info Design Summit will be replaced with "Forum" 07:26:56 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-October/009180.html 07:27:20 Note that PTG is mainly for OpenStack development related things with release cycle 07:27:45 I18n team is also quite related with PTG, but most translators will not be developers 07:27:52 thx for the link 07:28:29 So a few i18n team members still need to go for PTG but Forum and i18n contributor meetup will continue :) 07:28:38 eumel8, are you interested in PTG? 07:29:25 I don't know 07:29:47 Maybe you may know a few months later:) 07:30:03 :) 07:30:10 Okay just informational 07:30:22 yes, have to think about it 07:30:43 And.. I still don't know how the forum will be changed from current design summit, regarding i18n contributor meetup 07:31:18 I will keep my eyes on PTG and Forum event :) 07:31:34 That's nice. 07:31:38 #topic Survey on translation plan 07:31:46 yes, will see how it's going on 07:32:09 Now I am considering making a survey to language coordinators and/or translators 07:32:17 Would it be useful to all? 07:32:48 +1 07:33:02 hi katomo :) 07:33:15 hi 07:33:20 +1 ianychoi. 07:33:25 Hi katomo. 07:33:35 hi katomo 07:33:38 Okay.. since we don't have too much time left before Barcelona Design Summit, I will briefly make the survey with basic questions. 07:33:54 I would like to discuss survey results on Barcelona i18n contributor meetup 07:34:04 +1 07:34:14 Some recommend questions any one have? 07:34:26 or topics? 07:34:53 priorities ... expectations... 07:35:10 Currently, I am thinking "translation priority", "Will you participate on translations for Ocata?" 07:35:16 eumel8, good idea: expectations:) 07:35:34 For translators: Are you happy if you are allowed to translation ONLY A FEW specific components in some translation stage? 07:35:58 Yes, priority. 07:36:06 Yep priority :) 07:38:21 Okay.. zzxwill! I will try to consider that:) 07:38:28 #topic Preparation on I18n contributor's meetup on Ocata Design 07:38:33 Thx. 07:38:50 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barcelona-i18n-meetup 07:39:14 We have many topics :) 07:39:48 hehe 07:39:56 And on 3-4pm, I will open virtual meeting :) 07:40:22 nice :) 07:40:37 lot's of topics, yeah 07:40:43 #link http://doodle.com/poll/zny89dgs53n28y56 07:41:06 8 people will be likely to attend virtual meeting. 07:41:16 And including me (Barcelona) -> total 9 people 07:41:27 Google Hangout would be good? 07:41:51 Not good in mainland China. 07:41:56 chat or voice? 07:42:11 text chat I mean 07:42:15 eumel8, voice :) simutaneously I will open IRC 07:42:21 I will attend 07:42:25 Sorry, late 07:42:29 Hello aeng_mobile ! 07:42:38 Hi aeng_mobile. 07:42:39 Hi guys 07:42:53 voice for me is bad due the parallel meeting 07:42:58 For virtual meeting, IRC instead of voice would be better for all? 07:43:08 I'm fine with anything 07:43:33 Video, voice or irc 07:43:44 I personally prefer video :) 07:43:53 hi alex 07:44:09 Hi eumel8 07:44:18 My concern is the condition of network bandwidth and tools (hangout, skype, ...) 07:44:44 eumel8, I think virtual meeting, we will mainly have max. about three topics 07:44:54 1) Zanata enhancement 2) translation checksite 07:45:02 3) open discussion 07:45:27 Sounds good... I guess if should be enough if bandwidth is an issue 07:45:39 Irc is good enough.. 07:46:01 I would like to mainly allocate 20 mins for 1), 20 mins for 2) and other topics if other people proposed -> That was just my initial thoughts.. 07:46:30 Let's roll with that for the time being.. we can adjust the time if needed 07:46:58 ianychoi: when goes your flight back? 07:47:08 eumel8, Saturday afternoon 07:47:16 eumel8, how about you? 07:47:34 oh good, you told me Friday 07:48:10 eumel8, aha.. that would be my arrival (Korea to Barcelona) 07:48:28 I will fly back Sunday, doing some sightseeing over the weekend 07:48:51 eumel8, if you have time on Saturday, brief discussion on translation-checksite on Saturday is good to me 07:48:56 Good plan, eumel8+1 07:49:03 Yep I will also do brief sightseeing 07:49:29 Guys, sorry but I gtg now. Just update me on the platform we gonna use for the meeting. 07:49:47 I will join in. 😃 07:49:48 ok, maybe to discuss later 07:49:59 Let's try to vote! 07:50:00 #startvote IRC would be the best tool for virtual meeting on Barcelona? Yes, No, Maybe 07:50:00 Begin voting on: IRC would be the best tool for virtual meeting on Barcelona? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Maybe. 07:50:01 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 07:50:12 #vote no 07:50:16 Example:) 07:50:32 #vote yes 07:50:39 eumel8, katomo zzxwill please try :) 07:50:41 #vote yes 07:51:15 although I may be in the room :) 07:51:16 #vote Maybe. But video is also cool, especially in China. 07:51:16 zzxwill: Maybe. But video is also cool, especially in China. is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Maybe. 07:51:31 #vote Maybe 07:51:34 yep 07:51:42 But video is also cool, especially in China. 07:51:42 Maybe. But video is also cool, especially in China 07:51:49 #endvote 07:51:49 Voted on "IRC would be the best tool for virtual meeting on Barcelona?" Results are 07:51:50 Maybe (1): zzxwill 07:51:51 Yes (2): katomo, eumel8 07:51:52 No (1): ianychoi 07:52:00 Yep more YES:) 07:52:12 I will reconsider. IRC will be main discussion place for virtual meeting, 07:52:28 cool 07:52:36 and if more offline people want to ask Zanata things, I will do hangout with Alex and share all results via IRC 07:52:44 Would be that fine? :) 07:52:58 Agreed. 07:52:59 +1 07:53:07 And also for Daisy :) 07:53:16 Yep. 07:53:46 Yep then I will move the next topic 07:53:47 #Open discussions 07:53:54 #topic Open discussions 07:54:06 zzxwill, I have seen your new patch 07:54:12 Are there any other topics related to i18n except the one on Oct 28? 07:54:33 I went through all those topics, but didn't see any other one. 07:54:35 Yes. 07:54:42 i have nothing else 07:54:51 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386672/ 07:54:53 nothing from me. 07:55:20 zzxwill, for this and related this 07:55:20 Hi katomo. 07:55:43 yep 07:55:46 I would suggest to you to create redirectmatch but how about using i18n blueprint? 07:56:12 Okay I will create a blueprint. 07:56:13 redirectmatch works for Chinese team? 07:56:20 That's because I would like to make some process for i18n-related contributions 07:57:05 okya, I'm waiting the blueprint. 07:57:06 zzxwill, redirectmatch will address your concerns.. Am i understanding right? 07:57:17 I am not sure whether I have the authority as we have to change the properties of some files. 07:57:20 Correct! 07:57:31 zzxwill, yep me and katomo know how to create redirectmatch 07:57:47 But I want to define some i18n related contribution process... 07:57:48 Great. Let me create the bp first:) 07:57:55 It may be so simple work 07:58:17 But more visualization on i18n work, more discussions would be nice 07:58:17 Okay, that's for be willing to work me through it:) 07:58:42 That's my perspective.. and hope that more i18n contributors will contribute :) 07:58:44 have to catch the next meeting. thx to all and have a nice Summit! cu next week 07:59:02 Thanks eumel8. 07:59:06 #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/ 07:59:25 zzxwill, eumel8, katomo final question: "i18n-specs" would be good to our team? 08:00:01 +1 08:00:04 Yes, +1 08:00:17 +1 08:00:21 Ok.. good! Let's discuss on that more on Barcelona :) 08:00:29 yeah 08:00:31 Thank you for today participation all 08:00:33 Thank you ianychoi. 08:00:35 See you Barcelona! 08:00:40 See you there. 08:00:55 thanks, ianychoi, eumel8, zzxwill, aeng 08:01:01 see you there! 08:01:09 See you there katomo. 08:01:20 eumel8, can I finish? 08:02:16 Hmm. eumel8 is busy... :) Anyway, let's finish! If you have more discussions, let's continue on #openstack-i18n channel. 08:02:22 #endmeeting