13:03:20 <ianychoi> #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting 13:03:21 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Jan 19 13:03:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:03:22 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:03:25 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' 13:03:47 <ianychoi> It seems that there are also only two.. 13:04:01 <adiantum> hi 13:04:11 <jftalta> hi 13:04:20 <jftalta> the third has come :) 13:04:29 <ianychoi> adiantum, hi! 13:05:12 <ianychoi> i haven't updated today topics but i will start ...! 13:05:36 <ianychoi> #topic extra ATCs 13:06:20 <ianychoi> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/ATC_statistics 13:06:50 <ianychoi> I have written all the stats for ATCs 13:07:45 <ianychoi> jftalta, and i am really sorry for your ATC stats. After summarizing the wiki content I got to know that review stats are included 13:08:03 <ianychoi> But i will keep it as my record :) 13:08:34 <jftalta> ok 13:09:31 <ianychoi> Also thanks to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386565/ I have updated all current member list 13:09:51 <ianychoi> although the tool may not be compatible with future Zanata 13:10:31 <ianychoi> #topic Pkie PTG 13:11:04 <ianychoi> #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg 13:11:17 <ianychoi> There is Docs / I18n room! 13:12:00 <ianychoi> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-pike 13:12:02 <adiantum> ianychoi: yep 13:12:51 <jftalta> a good thing,really 13:12:57 <ianychoi> Docs team organizers and me are discussing some a kind of conference online calls during PTG 13:13:13 <ianychoi> If finalized I will share to you 13:13:20 <adiantum> ianychoi: sounds great 13:13:46 <jftalta> As it happened in Barcelona ? 13:13:51 <ianychoi> adiantum, jftalta thanks I hope to see you through online :) 13:14:17 <ianychoi> jftalta, yep but much more online dedicated... I think :) 13:14:30 <zloykaban> Hi team! hope find you in good spirits =) 13:14:42 <ianychoi> On Barcelona it seemed that we focused mainly offline :) 13:14:44 <adiantum> zloykaban: hi 13:14:45 <jftalta> it depends of the schedule. We have to deal with time lag 13:15:02 <jftalta> But I'll do my best to be with you 13:15:02 <ianychoi> jftalta, yep same as Docs team :) 13:15:12 <ianychoi> zloykaban, hi :) 13:15:35 <jftalta> hi zloykaban 13:15:40 <ianychoi> #topic Zanata upgrade 13:16:00 <nssven> Hi team! 13:16:13 <ianychoi> Many infra and Zanata dev team members are helping a lot 13:16:22 <jftalta> nssven hi 13:16:25 <adiantum> nssven: hi 13:16:29 <ianychoi> nssven, hi ! Are u a translator? 13:16:42 <nssven> yes 13:16:45 <ianychoi> zloykaban, are u also a translator? :) 13:16:45 <nssven> ru team 13:16:57 <ianychoi> Wow may i ask which country? 13:17:10 <zloykaban> same witn <nssven> 13:17:21 <zloykaban> *with 13:17:26 <nssven> Russia 13:17:34 <ianychoi> aha adiantum 's friend wow + zloykaban nice to see you both! 13:17:52 <adiantum> ianychoi: yep, today we all here =) 13:18:45 <ianychoi> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2017-January/005075.html 13:19:01 <ianychoi> We will upgrade to 3.9.6 on translate-dev first 13:19:48 <ianychoi> But not sure to translate production right after 13:20:04 <ianychoi> since StringFreeze periods are coming.. 13:20:18 <ianychoi> - which will be the next topic 13:20:20 <adiantum> ianychoi: yes, you're right. 13:21:00 <adiantum> ianychoi: better to upgrade after release, and at least we can test it all this time 13:21:14 <ianychoi> adiantum, yep I agree with u 13:21:26 <jftalta> +1 13:21:42 <ianychoi> #topic StringFreezes 13:22:06 <amotoki> hi, I just noticed the meeting is running :) 13:22:16 <ianychoi> amotoki hi! 13:22:24 <adiantum> amotoki: hi! 13:22:26 <jftalta> Hi, amotoki 13:22:31 <ianychoi> #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html 13:22:34 <zloykaban> amotoki, Hi ! 13:22:52 <ianychoi> I wanna ask: are u translating Horizon now ? 13:24:11 <ianychoi> Last week I started to encourage Korean translators to contribute Horizon translation with ujuc - Korean coordinator 13:24:13 <jftalta> Fr team is not 13:24:25 <jftalta> It's too early 13:24:48 <adiantum> yep, too early to translate horizon 13:24:52 <ianychoi> hmm.. But there are only 10 days left... 13:24:54 <jftalta> Hard string freeze is scheduled at the very end of january 13:25:46 <ianychoi> From my understanding we need to finish Horizon translation by the end of Jan - Hard StringFreeze 13:26:47 <ianychoi> We might have so less time, but I think it is time to encourage translators to start Horizon translation. 13:27:03 <jftalta> ianychoi : between today and hard string freeze, there can be many strings changes 13:27:27 <jftalta> and strings changes can break translations 13:27:37 <zloykaban> +1 to <jftalta> 13:28:08 <adiantum> yep, the reason of hard string freeze is "to give translator time to finish up their efforts" 13:28:35 <ianychoi> amotoki, How do you think about it? Will there be lots of string changes from now to Soft StringFreeze? 13:29:18 <adiantum> but i looked at changes in horizon, and may be ianychoi is right, there is a lot of changes 13:29:41 <amotoki> from my experience there is no big string changes after Soft StringFreeze. 13:29:59 <jftalta> ianychoi : imho, it might. but it's not easy to predict 13:30:09 <amotoki> What we had in the past is that horizon merged some new blueprints after the feature freeze 13:30:10 <amotoki> and 13:30:35 <amotoki> it introduced a number of NEW strings (around 100~200 strings) 13:30:59 <amotoki> I don't think we had many CHANGES after the soft string freeze 13:31:04 <jftalta> amotoki : and what about string updates ? 13:32:12 <zloykaban> new strings shouldn`t be a big deal, but string changes are ... 13:32:25 <jftalta> yes ! 13:32:35 <amotoki> i think most string changes were made by me as translation feedback 13:33:00 <ianychoi> Hmm.. 13:33:19 <ianychoi> Now I am asking with horizon team 13:33:21 <jftalta> With Zanata, how can I know if a string has been changed ? 13:33:22 <amotoki> dead loop :-( ..... 13:34:12 <amotoki> IMHO string changes (except new strings) can easily coped with translation team and it does not matter. thought? 13:35:30 <amotoki> jftalta: when a string has been changed, we see a new string. If you visit the string, you will see a similar string (with 80-90% similarity) in the translation memory (suggestions). 13:36:21 <jftalta> ok, thx :) 13:37:21 <ianychoi> robcresswell from Horizon team said that Feature Freezing has been finished 13:38:15 <amotoki> ianychoi: yes, horizon team enables feature freeze this week. 13:38:58 <ianychoi> IMO there will be some string changes but starting from now is a good idea.. 13:39:09 <ianychoi> 1 week is so short.... 13:39:49 <robcresswell> o/ 13:39:56 <ianychoi> adiantum, translating wihin 1 week is sufficient with ru team? 13:40:03 <ianychoi> robcresswell, hello! 13:40:31 <jftalta> Hi, robcresswell 13:40:31 <ianychoi> Wow two Horizon team members - robcresswell and amotoki :) 13:40:35 <amotoki> at least from my experience in mitaka and newton, we did not have so many string changes. 13:41:02 <amotoki> in case of JP team, we started *reviews* after hard stringfreeze 13:41:04 <adiantum> ianychoi: looks like we have 10 days until RC, but i agree - start now is good idea 13:41:21 <adiantum> robcresswell: hi! 13:41:28 <ianychoi> And I think Horizon will be packaged around the end of Jan 13:41:44 <nssven> <adiantum> agree 13:41:49 <robcresswell> FYI, translations dont have to hit RC1 13:42:03 <robcresswell> We usually have an RC2 just to allow more translation time. 13:42:22 <robcresswell> Final RC date is Feb 16, with release at 23rd. 13:42:23 <adiantum> robcresswell: good practice, thank you =) 13:42:38 <ianychoi> robcresswell, oh thanks! 13:42:39 <robcresswell> So there is no need to finish it all in one week :) 13:42:56 <jftalta> So, we've got almost 3 weeks, starting from today 13:43:03 <adiantum> robcresswell: sounds perfect :-) 13:43:05 <robcresswell> I've done a little of the British English l10n before just to teach myself, so I'm quite familiar with the tooling. 13:43:06 <amotoki> yes, that's the practice we learned from the past experiences. 13:43:18 <ianychoi> But maybe there are also Horizon-related projects 13:43:56 <jftalta> you mea new dashboards ? 13:44:01 <jftalta> *mean* 13:44:16 <amotoki> he means horizon plugins 13:44:24 <jftalta> ok 13:44:39 <robcresswell> There are the other dashboards to consider, but they should ideally follow Horizon policies. It is trivial to tag a new RC with translations. 13:44:39 <ianychoi> amotoki is a I18n-Horizon liaison :) But for others I think I might need to start communications 13:45:06 <robcresswell> So it is not a big thing to ask of other projects to extend their final translation dates. 13:45:29 <ianychoi> robcresswell, thanks :) 13:45:32 <archies> @mriedem, nova core, sorry for interrupting in between. Wanted to check your views on the https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1636489 13:45:32 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1636489 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Volume attachment fails for all the available instances after running different volume operations for 1-2 hours or more." [Undecided,New] 13:46:07 <amotoki> archies: wrong channel? this is #-meeting channel 13:46:39 <archies> thanks amotoki, pls can you help identify correct channel 13:46:56 <archies> I was too wasn't much sure about it 13:47:00 <amotoki> archies: #openstakc-nova? 13:47:10 <ianychoi> Then adiantum could you share Freezing dates then? Let's consider to start your String 13:47:19 <ianychoi> Freezing Manager role 13:47:19 <amotoki> archies: #openstack-nova? 13:47:23 <ianychoi> :) 13:48:07 <adiantum> ianychoi: let me to prepare message and i would like you to check it 13:48:12 <amotoki> ianychoi: what we should do is to share our policies which applies to horizon with horizon plugin PTLs and teams. 13:48:21 <adiantum> ianychoi: what do you think? 13:48:35 <ianychoi> adiantum, +1 I will do it :) 13:48:48 <archies> thanks amotoki, got confused with the site content provided on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova. 13:48:53 <adiantum> ianychoi: great :-) 13:49:03 <amotoki> archies: np 13:49:05 <ianychoi> amotoki, good idea. 13:49:20 <adiantum> amotoki: +1 13:49:46 <ianychoi> amotoki, may be the ratio of string changes? 13:49:49 <jftalta> amotoki: +1 13:50:04 <amotoki> ianychoi: no. 13:50:18 <robcresswell> Another thing worth mentioning, if there are new Horizon bugs found during translation please tag them appropriately ('i18n' tag) and ping one of the cores (probably me or amotoki) 13:50:19 <amotoki> what I am talking is the deadline and RC2. 13:50:27 <ianychoi> I will add this topic in PTG with Horizon - then.. could u say some examples? 13:51:27 <amotoki> ianychoi: examples? 13:51:35 <ianychoi> robcresswell, thanks for mentioning :) 13:52:10 <ianychoi> our policies which applies to horizon -> maybe translation priority? 13:52:48 <ianychoi> Aha deadline and RC2 13:53:01 <ianychoi> amotoki, sorry and thanks :) 13:53:18 <Sudha> "/JOIN #openstack-nova 13:53:45 <amotoki> our basic policy on translation import deadline is around RC2 (or later RC if exist) and horizon plugin teams are suggested to follow this schedule. 13:54:35 <ianychoi> amotoki, yep I fot your points 13:54:53 <robcresswell> Yeah, no need to restrict yourself to RC1. 13:54:53 <ianychoi> #topic open discussion 13:55:17 <ianychoi> Okay:) 13:55:29 <ianychoi> Any more things to be discussed? 13:56:16 <jftalta> not for me 13:56:28 <ianychoi> zloykaban, is it your 1st coming with nssven here? 13:56:48 <ianychoi> jftalta, and congrats for better French landing page 13:56:51 <ianychoi> :) 13:56:58 <nssven> not first time:) I kept silence before 13:57:37 <zloykaban> Yes, <ianychoi> 13:57:52 <jftalta> ianychoi: thanks ! 13:58:05 <jftalta> and thank for helping 13:58:13 <jftalta> *thanks* 13:58:13 <ianychoi> amotoki, just from stats Japanese team finished document translations. For landing page changes may be Kato-san will take care of it? 13:58:35 <amotoki> ianychoi: perhaps so 13:59:11 <ianychoi> adiantum, also I hope to see Russian landing page soon with finishing one document translation - with nssven and zloykaban :) 13:59:28 <ianychoi> amotoki, ok I will ask katomo the 13:59:31 <ianychoi> then 13:59:44 <ianychoi> We need to finish today meeting 13:59:51 <ianychoi> Thanks a lot all!! 13:59:53 <amotoki> i can do it. either of us who notices usually updates the landing page. 14:00:08 <zloykaban> Thank you ! see you next time 14:00:23 <ianychoi> okay:) 14:00:28 <jftalta> thanks and goodbye all ! 14:00:30 <ianychoi> #endmeeting