13:03:20 <ianychoi> #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting
13:03:21 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Jan 19 13:03:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:03:25 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'
13:03:47 <ianychoi> It seems that there are also only two..
13:04:01 <adiantum> hi
13:04:11 <jftalta> hi
13:04:20 <jftalta> the third has come :)
13:04:29 <ianychoi> adiantum, hi!
13:05:12 <ianychoi> i haven't updated today topics but i will start ...!
13:05:36 <ianychoi> #topic extra ATCs
13:06:20 <ianychoi> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/ATC_statistics
13:06:50 <ianychoi> I have written all the stats for ATCs
13:07:45 <ianychoi> jftalta, and i am really sorry for your ATC stats. After summarizing the wiki content I got to know that review stats are included
13:08:03 <ianychoi> But i will keep it as my record :)
13:08:34 <jftalta> ok
13:09:31 <ianychoi> Also thanks to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386565/ I have updated all current member list
13:09:51 <ianychoi> although the tool may not be compatible with future Zanata
13:10:31 <ianychoi> #topic Pkie PTG
13:11:04 <ianychoi> #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg
13:11:17 <ianychoi> There is Docs / I18n room!
13:12:00 <ianychoi> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-pike
13:12:02 <adiantum> ianychoi: yep
13:12:51 <jftalta> a good thing,really
13:12:57 <ianychoi> Docs team organizers and me are discussing some a kind of conference online calls during PTG
13:13:13 <ianychoi> If finalized I will share to you
13:13:20 <adiantum> ianychoi: sounds great
13:13:46 <jftalta> As it happened in Barcelona ?
13:13:51 <ianychoi> adiantum, jftalta thanks I hope to see you through online :)
13:14:17 <ianychoi> jftalta, yep but much more online dedicated... I think :)
13:14:30 <zloykaban> Hi team! hope find you in good spirits =)
13:14:42 <ianychoi> On Barcelona it seemed that we focused mainly offline :)
13:14:44 <adiantum> zloykaban: hi
13:14:45 <jftalta> it depends of the schedule. We have to deal with time lag
13:15:02 <jftalta> But I'll do my best to be with you
13:15:02 <ianychoi> jftalta, yep same as Docs team :)
13:15:12 <ianychoi> zloykaban, hi :)
13:15:35 <jftalta> hi zloykaban
13:15:40 <ianychoi> #topic Zanata upgrade
13:16:00 <nssven> Hi team!
13:16:13 <ianychoi> Many infra and Zanata dev team members are helping a lot
13:16:22 <jftalta> nssven hi
13:16:25 <adiantum> nssven: hi
13:16:29 <ianychoi> nssven, hi ! Are u a translator?
13:16:42 <nssven> yes
13:16:45 <ianychoi> zloykaban, are u also a translator? :)
13:16:45 <nssven> ru team
13:16:57 <ianychoi> Wow may i ask which country?
13:17:10 <zloykaban> same witn <nssven>
13:17:21 <zloykaban> *with
13:17:26 <nssven> Russia
13:17:34 <ianychoi> aha adiantum 's friend wow + zloykaban nice to see you both!
13:17:52 <adiantum> ianychoi: yep, today we all here =)
13:18:45 <ianychoi> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2017-January/005075.html
13:19:01 <ianychoi> We will upgrade to 3.9.6 on translate-dev first
13:19:48 <ianychoi> But not sure to translate production right after
13:20:04 <ianychoi> since StringFreeze periods are coming..
13:20:18 <ianychoi> - which will be the next topic
13:20:20 <adiantum> ianychoi: yes, you're right.
13:21:00 <adiantum> ianychoi: better to upgrade after release, and at least we can test it all this time
13:21:14 <ianychoi> adiantum, yep I agree with u
13:21:26 <jftalta> +1
13:21:42 <ianychoi> #topic StringFreezes
13:22:06 <amotoki> hi, I just noticed the meeting is running :)
13:22:16 <ianychoi> amotoki hi!
13:22:24 <adiantum> amotoki: hi!
13:22:26 <jftalta> Hi, amotoki
13:22:31 <ianychoi> #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html
13:22:34 <zloykaban> amotoki, Hi !
13:22:52 <ianychoi> I wanna ask: are u translating Horizon now ?
13:24:11 <ianychoi> Last week I started to encourage Korean translators to contribute Horizon translation with ujuc - Korean coordinator
13:24:13 <jftalta> Fr team is not
13:24:25 <jftalta> It's too early
13:24:48 <adiantum> yep, too early to translate horizon
13:24:52 <ianychoi> hmm.. But there are only 10 days left...
13:24:54 <jftalta> Hard string freeze is scheduled at the very end of january
13:25:46 <ianychoi> From my understanding we need to finish Horizon translation by the end of Jan - Hard StringFreeze
13:26:47 <ianychoi> We might have so less time, but I think it is time to encourage translators to start Horizon translation.
13:27:03 <jftalta> ianychoi : between today and hard string freeze, there can be many strings changes
13:27:27 <jftalta> and strings changes can break translations
13:27:37 <zloykaban> +1 to <jftalta>
13:28:08 <adiantum> yep, the reason of hard string freeze is "to give translator time to finish up their efforts"
13:28:35 <ianychoi> amotoki, How do you think about it? Will there be lots of string changes from now to Soft StringFreeze?
13:29:18 <adiantum> but i looked at changes in horizon, and may be ianychoi is right, there is a lot of changes
13:29:41 <amotoki> from my experience there is no big string changes after Soft StringFreeze.
13:29:59 <jftalta> ianychoi : imho, it might. but it's not easy to predict
13:30:09 <amotoki> What we had in the past is that horizon merged some new blueprints after the feature freeze
13:30:10 <amotoki> and
13:30:35 <amotoki> it introduced a number of NEW strings (around 100~200 strings)
13:30:59 <amotoki> I don't think we had many CHANGES after the soft string freeze
13:31:04 <jftalta> amotoki : and what about string updates ?
13:32:12 <zloykaban> new strings shouldn`t  be a big deal, but string changes are ...
13:32:25 <jftalta> yes !
13:32:35 <amotoki> i think most string changes were made by me as translation feedback
13:33:00 <ianychoi> Hmm..
13:33:19 <ianychoi> Now I am asking with horizon team
13:33:21 <jftalta> With Zanata, how can I know if a string has been changed ?
13:33:22 <amotoki> dead loop :-( .....
13:34:12 <amotoki> IMHO string changes (except new strings) can easily coped with translation team and it does not matter. thought?
13:35:30 <amotoki> jftalta: when a string has been changed, we see a new string. If you visit the string, you will see a similar string (with 80-90% similarity) in the translation memory (suggestions).
13:36:21 <jftalta> ok, thx :)
13:37:21 <ianychoi> robcresswell from Horizon team said that Feature Freezing has been finished
13:38:15 <amotoki> ianychoi: yes, horizon team enables feature freeze this week.
13:38:58 <ianychoi> IMO there will be some string changes but starting from now is a good idea..
13:39:09 <ianychoi> 1 week is so short....
13:39:49 <robcresswell> o/
13:39:56 <ianychoi> adiantum, translating wihin 1 week is sufficient with ru team?
13:40:03 <ianychoi> robcresswell, hello!
13:40:31 <jftalta> Hi, robcresswell
13:40:31 <ianychoi> Wow two Horizon team members - robcresswell and amotoki :)
13:40:35 <amotoki> at least from my experience in mitaka and newton, we did not have so many string changes.
13:41:02 <amotoki> in case of JP team, we started *reviews* after hard stringfreeze
13:41:04 <adiantum> ianychoi: looks like we have 10 days until RC, but i agree - start now is good idea
13:41:21 <adiantum> robcresswell: hi!
13:41:28 <ianychoi> And I think Horizon will be packaged around the end of Jan
13:41:44 <nssven> <adiantum> agree
13:41:49 <robcresswell> FYI, translations dont have to hit RC1
13:42:03 <robcresswell> We usually have an RC2 just to allow more translation time.
13:42:22 <robcresswell> Final RC date is Feb 16, with release at 23rd.
13:42:23 <adiantum> robcresswell: good practice, thank you =)
13:42:38 <ianychoi> robcresswell, oh thanks!
13:42:39 <robcresswell> So there is no need to finish it all in one week :)
13:42:56 <jftalta> So, we've got almost 3 weeks, starting from today
13:43:03 <adiantum> robcresswell: sounds perfect :-)
13:43:05 <robcresswell> I've done a little of the British English l10n before just to teach myself, so I'm quite familiar with the tooling.
13:43:06 <amotoki> yes, that's the practice we learned from the past experiences.
13:43:18 <ianychoi> But maybe there are also Horizon-related projects
13:43:56 <jftalta> you mea new dashboards ?
13:44:01 <jftalta> *mean*
13:44:16 <amotoki> he means horizon plugins
13:44:24 <jftalta> ok
13:44:39 <robcresswell> There are the other dashboards to consider, but they should ideally follow Horizon policies. It is trivial to tag a new RC with translations.
13:44:39 <ianychoi> amotoki is a I18n-Horizon liaison :) But for others I think I might need to start communications
13:45:06 <robcresswell> So it is not a big thing to ask of other projects to extend their final translation dates.
13:45:29 <ianychoi> robcresswell, thanks :)
13:45:32 <archies> @mriedem, nova core, sorry for interrupting in between. Wanted to check your views on the https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1636489
13:45:32 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1636489 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Volume attachment fails for all the available instances after running different volume operations for 1-2 hours or more." [Undecided,New]
13:46:07 <amotoki> archies: wrong channel? this is #-meeting channel
13:46:39 <archies> thanks amotoki, pls can you help identify correct channel
13:46:56 <archies> I was too wasn't much sure about it
13:47:00 <amotoki> archies: #openstakc-nova?
13:47:10 <ianychoi> Then adiantum could you share Freezing dates then? Let's consider to start your String
13:47:19 <ianychoi> Freezing Manager role
13:47:19 <amotoki> archies: #openstack-nova?
13:47:23 <ianychoi> :)
13:48:07 <adiantum> ianychoi: let me to prepare message and i would like you to check it
13:48:12 <amotoki> ianychoi: what we should do is to share our policies which applies to horizon with horizon plugin PTLs and teams.
13:48:21 <adiantum> ianychoi: what do you think?
13:48:35 <ianychoi> adiantum, +1 I will do it :)
13:48:48 <archies> thanks amotoki, got confused with the site content provided on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova.
13:48:53 <adiantum> ianychoi: great :-)
13:49:03 <amotoki> archies: np
13:49:05 <ianychoi> amotoki, good idea.
13:49:20 <adiantum> amotoki: +1
13:49:46 <ianychoi> amotoki, may be the ratio of string changes?
13:49:49 <jftalta> amotoki: +1
13:50:04 <amotoki> ianychoi: no.
13:50:18 <robcresswell> Another thing worth mentioning, if there are new Horizon bugs found during translation please tag them appropriately ('i18n' tag) and ping one of the cores (probably me or amotoki)
13:50:19 <amotoki> what I am talking is the deadline and RC2.
13:50:27 <ianychoi> I will add this topic in PTG with Horizon - then.. could u say some examples?
13:51:27 <amotoki> ianychoi: examples?
13:51:35 <ianychoi> robcresswell, thanks for mentioning :)
13:52:10 <ianychoi> our policies which applies to horizon  -> maybe translation priority?
13:52:48 <ianychoi> Aha deadline and RC2
13:53:01 <ianychoi> amotoki, sorry and thanks :)
13:53:18 <Sudha> "/JOIN #openstack-nova
13:53:45 <amotoki> our basic policy on translation import deadline is around RC2 (or later RC if exist) and horizon plugin teams are suggested to follow this schedule.
13:54:35 <ianychoi> amotoki, yep I fot your points
13:54:53 <robcresswell> Yeah, no need to restrict yourself to RC1.
13:54:53 <ianychoi> #topic open discussion
13:55:17 <ianychoi> Okay:)
13:55:29 <ianychoi> Any more things to be discussed?
13:56:16 <jftalta> not for me
13:56:28 <ianychoi> zloykaban, is it your 1st coming with nssven here?
13:56:48 <ianychoi> jftalta, and congrats for better French landing page
13:56:51 <ianychoi> :)
13:56:58 <nssven> not first time:) I kept silence before
13:57:37 <zloykaban> Yes, <ianychoi>
13:57:52 <jftalta> ianychoi: thanks !
13:58:05 <jftalta> and thank for helping
13:58:13 <jftalta> *thanks*
13:58:13 <ianychoi> amotoki, just from stats Japanese team finished document translations. For landing page changes may be Kato-san will take care of it?
13:58:35 <amotoki> ianychoi: perhaps so
13:59:11 <ianychoi> adiantum, also I hope to see Russian landing page soon with finishing one document translation - with nssven and zloykaban :)
13:59:28 <ianychoi> amotoki, ok I will ask katomo the
13:59:31 <ianychoi> then
13:59:44 <ianychoi> We need to finish today meeting
13:59:51 <ianychoi> Thanks a lot all!!
13:59:53 <amotoki> i can do it. either of us who notices usually updates the landing page.
14:00:08 <zloykaban> Thank you ! see you next time
14:00:23 <ianychoi> okay:)
14:00:28 <jftalta> thanks and goodbye all !
14:00:30 <ianychoi> #endmeeting