13:13:33 <ianychoi> #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting 13:13:34 <openstack> Meeting started Thu May 25 13:13:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:13:35 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:13:37 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' 13:13:44 <ianychoi> jpich, jftalta: sorry for late 13:14:24 <jpich> No problems :) 13:14:33 <ianychoi> How are you going? :) 13:15:03 <jpich> All good here! Yourself? 13:15:20 <jftalta> ianychoi: Hi ! does not matter, don't worry ;) 13:15:29 <asettle> o/ 13:15:59 <ianychoi> asettle, wow hello! 13:16:00 <jftalta> asettle : hi 13:16:11 <asettle> Yellow yellow! 13:16:36 <ianychoi> #topic Glossary management 13:17:12 <ianychoi> jftalta: How do you think about http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2017-May/002924.html ? 13:17:28 <ianychoi> Currently, there is no response from Turkish language coordinator 13:17:35 <jftalta> inaychoi: give me a sec... 13:17:43 <ianychoi> And one Turkish translator wants to upload such glossary\ 13:18:05 <ianychoi> I originally thought that publizing the announcement would be good 13:18:29 <jpich> +1 13:18:51 <jftalta> +1 13:20:40 <ianychoi> I don't know how to deal with the review 13:20:49 <ianychoi> Just +2 & Workflow? 13:22:19 <jpich> It's only been a couple of days, it might be ok to give a bit more time for feedback? 13:22:35 <ianychoi> jpich, +1 :) 13:22:47 <jftalta> jpich: I agree 13:22:59 <ianychoi> jpich, jftalta: thanks a lot for the opinion 13:23:42 <jpich> :) 13:24:13 <ianychoi> #topic Horizon: translation percentage criteria for translate checksite 13:24:53 <robcresswell> o/ 13:25:08 <ianychoi> robcresswell, hi! 13:25:33 <jftalta> robcresswell: hi 13:25:46 <jpich> o/ 13:25:52 <ianychoi> robcresswell, I am finding the bug link we discussed previously... 13:26:48 <robcresswell> \link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/1690233 13:26:49 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1690233 in openstack i18n "A couple of django-js.po files are missing from Horizon tree" [High,Confirmed] 13:27:00 <ianychoi> robcresswell, thanks :) 13:27:02 <ianychoi> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/1690233 13:27:22 <robcresswell> Sorry ,I meant to do #, but Macbooks are stupid and change my keyboard all the time. 13:27:27 <ianychoi> robcresswell, I don't object to it but the problem is now I don't have enought time to revise the infra script... 13:27:39 <ianychoi> robcresswell, fine :) (Me also uses macbook... stupid) 13:27:44 <robcresswell> All we need to do is delete one line from it 13:28:10 <robcresswell> or more. Maybe a few lines to delete :) 13:28:20 <robcresswell> IMO :) 13:28:56 <ianychoi> robcresswell, can I ask which line? 13:29:34 <jftalta> what's the current topic ?... 13:29:53 <robcresswell> jftalta: Look at the bug above ^^ 13:30:24 <robcresswell> Basically, there is some issues with the infra scripts not pulling down files with certain % of translation 13:30:51 <robcresswell> But it has a bug, and so I'm in favour of just removing all detection and just using whatever translations are available 13:31:04 <robcresswell> and leave it up to the operator to decide what languages to use or not 13:31:49 <ianychoi> robcresswell, I am okay for such direction :) But... might it need to revise infra-scripts? Or not? 13:32:33 <jftalta> Ah, thx, ok. Sorry, I did not understand the topic title :( 13:32:43 <jpich> As in, remove all checks - so even if only one sentence is translated for the language, the translation file would get pulled in? 13:33:10 <robcresswell> jpich: Effectively, yes 13:33:23 <robcresswell> Either that, or we make the infra scripts smarter 13:33:53 <robcresswell> The thing is, right now, its got some pretty big bug that means in some situations a large number of translated strings dont get pulled down. 13:35:40 <jpich> I remember issues where we'd pull po files for languages that had only one unreviewed translation for a less common language, which looked more like someone playing with/learning about Zanata than something worthwhile for users. I guess the "veto"/check can be done when writing up the language list application side 13:35:54 <ianychoi> robcresswell, for me one concern is: in Horizon there is also releasenotes.po and there might be Horizon developer documentation po files in future. One idea might be to exclude po files: releasenotes.po and the other idea might be to specify Horizon po file names: e.g., django.po, djangojs.po, and so on 13:36:07 <jpich> (...unless the language list is generated automatically I guess) 13:36:30 <robcresswell> jpich: Its automatic now, so that may be problematic. You can filter it by specifying langs in settings though. 13:36:39 <robcresswell> Maybe we need to make the infra script smarter 13:37:58 <jpich> It doesn't seem super fair to push onto the operator the responsibility of figuring translation status for each language yeah... 13:38:07 <ianychoi> robcresswell, I agree with you. Let's discuss later :) 13:38:24 <jpich> I understand the infra script stuff is complicated though!! /me still has a couple of related unresolved bugs 13:38:32 <ianychoi> #topic Impact on Docs team governance and recent changes 13:38:56 <ianychoi> Sorry I need to be away for a while.. 10 minutes. asettle: would you explain briefly some background of this topic? 13:39:10 <asettle> Uhh 13:39:26 <asettle> You mean the email threads? 13:39:28 <asettle> ianychoi: ^ 13:39:40 <ianychoi> asettle, yep :) 13:39:50 <asettle> Okay 13:39:58 <asettle> So, some of you might have seen my emails to the ML or not 13:40:02 <ianychoi> asettle, they were not shared to openstack-i18n mailing list so plz explain :) 13:40:29 <asettle> But docs is looking at changing the direction of things, and pushing the responsibility of writing documentation back out to the project repos 13:40:47 <asettle> I will forward the email I sent to the docs ML to the I18N ML now 13:41:08 <jftalta> :) 13:41:10 <asettle> You can see the email I sent out to the dev ML here 13:41:12 <asettle> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/117162.html 13:41:20 <jftalta> ok, thx 13:41:30 <asettle> We're discussing *how* we're going to do this 13:41:37 <asettle> Here is the why 13:41:39 <asettle> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/117053.html 13:41:44 <asettle> Whihc i will fowward to the ML now 13:42:24 <asettle> Okay, just did that 13:42:36 <asettle> There's going to be some changes, but the way I understand it this hsouldn't change the way things are translated 13:42:49 <asettle> However, there are some guides we will consider EOLing in the future if there is no movement or contributions to them 13:42:54 <asettle> Such as the Architecture or HA guide 13:43:36 <asettle> I'm not too sure what else to add there, we're just sort of waiting for the decisions to be made by the community to move on 13:43:46 <asettle> We'll work on the planning in Pike, for execution in Queens 13:43:53 <asettle> I will not be the PTL, so this will be up to the community 13:43:57 <asettle> Anyway, questions? :) 13:44:21 <jftalta> need a couple of minutes to read these emails... 13:44:25 <asettle> No worries, it's a lot at once 13:44:33 <asettle> Sorry about that jftalta 13:46:19 <jftalta> "As we all know, we are rapidly losing key contributors and core reviewers" :-( 13:46:24 <asettle> Yeah, sadly :( 13:46:30 <asettle> But it also isn't really a shock 13:52:18 <ianychoi> asettle, thanks a lot for the explanation! 13:52:25 <asettle> \o/ 13:54:04 <ianychoi> asettle, actually translation support on install tutorials is what we discussed on the last ptg. Now i want to modify this goal - i wanna defer it to Queens 13:54:41 <asettle> Makes sense :) 13:55:43 <ianychoi> asettle, I think install guides part might be distributed to multiple repos by some further directions - it is still in discussion afaik. So supporting distributed docs sources should be considered in I18n team. 13:56:21 <asettle> It's a lot of work for you guys, but it's no different to us :( might be worth discussing with infra how we can potentially managed impact on I18N 13:56:54 <ianychoi> asettle, +1 :) 13:57:28 <ianychoi> jftalta, jpich: question - https://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/ocata/ landing page also needs to be translated? 13:58:53 <jftalta> ianychoi, yes it does, imo 13:59:19 <jpich> I'm not familiar with the project but if the content is translated, it'd probably be good to get the landing page too 13:59:22 <ianychoi> asettle, if i18n team wants to translate https://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/ocata/ page then it needs to be managed by git 13:59:47 <ianychoi> asettle, that's another one I want to discuss with u 14:00:12 <asettle> ianychoi: sure - send me an email :) i'm happy to go through things with you 14:00:13 <ianychoi> asettle, robcresswell, jftalta, jpich : thanks a lot for today coming! 14:00:18 <asettle> Thanks :D 14:00:25 <ianychoi> asettle, yep! 14:00:32 <jftalta> :-) 14:00:35 <jpich> Thanks! :) 14:00:39 <ianychoi> #endmeeting