07:00:17 <eumel8> #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting
07:00:18 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Oct  5 07:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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07:00:21 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'
07:00:36 <eumel8> gooooood morning!
07:00:50 <eumel8> who's there for the i18n team meeting?
07:01:48 <ianychoi> Hi
07:02:02 <ianychoi> Good morning
07:02:11 <eumel8> ianychoi
07:02:16 <ianychoi> :)
07:02:16 <eumel8> nice!
07:02:17 <eumel8> :)
07:02:55 <eumel8> I noticed a small fading of the core-core-team ;)
07:03:02 <ianychoi> ?
07:04:12 <eumel8> just analyze the participants for the meeting
07:04:18 <eumel8> anyway...
07:04:20 <ianychoi> Aha..
07:04:22 <eumel8> first topic
07:04:26 <eumel8> #topic Translation Jobs after Zuul-v3 migration
07:05:07 <eumel8> This topic is at the moment obselete due the rollback of the zuul v4 migration yesterday
07:05:14 <eumel8> there are 2 proposals:
07:05:19 <ianychoi> s/v4/v3 ?
07:05:26 <eumel8> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/502208
07:05:40 <eumel8> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/502207
07:06:30 <eumel8> ah, forgot the history: translation jobs were broken since 09/29 and 10/02
07:07:34 <ianychoi> Yep.. it might be also nice if such news is notified to i18n mailing list
07:08:03 <eumel8> I asked at the infra channel how we can help but the topic was already aware and seems "only" a little bit complicated to write new jobs.
07:08:43 <eumel8> ianychoi: yes, I noticed this, I think, Monday afternoon
07:09:51 <eumel8> And there were a lots of trouble of Zuul-3 at this time and our translation jobs are only a very small part of the problem
07:10:09 <ianychoi> What I mention is how such translation issues would be better and well shared to translators and how the translators acknowledge such situation.
07:10:39 <ianychoi> I am very thankful for your acknowledgement of this important issue
07:10:58 <eumel8> understood, but no solution yet.
07:11:29 <ianychoi> Hmm
07:11:37 <eumel8> sometimes as saw as broken but the jobs are running hours instead minutes
07:12:54 <eumel8> I think this was an exceptional situation like Monty mentioned on openstack-dev ML
07:13:29 <ianychoi> I just think such downtime for translation sync would be fine
07:13:54 <ianychoi> I understand that infra team is working very hard for migrating to zuul-v3
07:14:52 <ianychoi> And I also think that such upgrade would be to make go forward
07:16:30 <eumel8> For me it's a little surprise because infra team is now on the Top-5-wanted list and then they started such kind of work with a minimal man power.
07:16:37 <eumel8> #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/top-5-help-wanted.html
07:17:52 <ianychoi> I don't know detail background of zuul-v3 migration
07:18:22 <ianychoi> but it seems that infra team might have identified first that such migration would not be too difficult
07:19:28 <ianychoi> Now translation ratio is not high comparing to soft & hard stringfreezes. This is why I feel fine mightbe:)
07:19:29 <eumel8> anyway, I try to support the guys and help what I can. For the translation jobs I gave a small repo as example for test. So no all repos will affected after the next try.
07:19:50 <ianychoi> eumel8, great :)
07:19:53 <eumel8> true
07:20:08 <eumel8> #topic I18n Jobs in Zuul-v3
07:20:33 <eumel8> nevertheless we have also our own repo with our own gate checks in gerrit
07:21:06 <eumel8> and we are now responsible for zuul v3 checks
07:21:25 <eumel8> #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/zuulv3.html
07:22:01 <eumel8> the old jobs are auto-converted and renamed as "legacy-*"
07:22:26 <eumel8> note: I talk about the future
07:23:21 <ianychoi> So.. it means that i18n repo has zuul v3 check jobs?
07:23:34 <eumel8> later, yes
07:24:19 <eumel8> hopefully we get support or some examples how that will work
07:24:39 <ianychoi> Hmm what would be the due of having zuul v3 check jobs?
07:25:04 <eumel8> it's similar to doc migration: de-centralize and move out the things
07:25:55 <ianychoi> I see - just curious that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508587/ has a zuul section but https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509527/ does not
07:27:18 <eumel8> translation jobs are special
07:28:24 <eumel8> thats also broken at the moment: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506795/
07:28:46 <eumel8> wait for merge: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509358/
07:29:17 <eumel8> and there are hundreds of such changes :)
07:32:15 <eumel8> ok, we will see what will happen
07:32:41 <ianychoi> Hmm... it is hard for me to follow hundreds of such changes.. anyway yes we will
07:32:41 <eumel8> Just to raise this topic here without specific action point
07:33:57 <eumel8> it works more or less in real time when the US guys are online
07:34:33 <eumel8> but don't trust a review invitation in gerrit ;)
07:34:37 <eumel8> ok, next
07:34:51 <eumel8> #topic Doc/I18n Project Onboarding Session Sydney
07:35:05 <eumel8> it seems we have a plan now
07:35:14 <ianychoi> You can ask reviews in #openstack-infra IRC channel, for example: "Hello infra-roots, would you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509358/ if you have time? It is important to go forward... bulabula..".
07:35:33 <ianychoi> Docs team will attend?
07:35:59 <eumel8> ianychoi: of course  - i have done this multiple times in the last days :)
07:36:17 <eumel8> Schedule forecast Nov 06 2017 3:10-3:50 PM (after the Zanata Session)
07:36:21 <ianychoi> eumel8, haha yep you are so a good I18n PTL!
07:36:39 <eumel8> Thats the time for the room reservation in Sydney
07:37:06 <eumel8> Pattrick will be there and I think Alex (Zanata-Alex) also.
07:37:58 <ianychoi> If Docs team will not attend, I think setting a topic like "I18n Project Onboarding Session: Translation + Zanata" would get more attention
07:38:10 <eumel8> And what I've wrote on email: it's only to have the room reservation first in the right time slot
07:38:55 <eumel8> We will decide this in the afternoon together with the Docs team.
07:39:50 <ianychoi> I see
07:40:15 <eumel8> but the reservation period has end yesterday
07:41:17 <eumel8> #topic Open Discussion
07:41:36 <ianychoi> Let's see who will attend from Docs team for Docs/I18n project onboarding room. Previously, me and Alexandra Settle did it, and I think Docs+I18n people need to discuss what can we do for the session.
07:42:59 <eumel8> it will be a small event. Foundation expects only 2500 perticipants
07:43:14 <ianychoi> And since rsimai is not here but in #openstack-i18n channel, I asked him about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509595/
07:43:20 <ianychoi> Aha..
07:43:47 <ianychoi> But plz celebrate Tom Fifield: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-October/014321.html
07:44:50 <eumel8> I'm too you in OpenStack age. Who is Tom Fifield?
07:45:33 <eumel8> too young, I mean
07:45:46 <ianychoi> He is a community manager.
07:45:50 <ianychoi> https://blog.rackspace.com/how-i-contribute-to-openstack-nectars-tom-fifield
07:46:32 <ianychoi> I met him first during user group activities but he influenced a lot to Docs team and I18n team
07:47:49 <eumel8> really?
07:48:05 <jftalta> Hi !
07:48:10 <eumel8> never heard
07:48:13 <ianychoi> jftalta, oh hi!
07:48:18 <eumel8> jftalta!
07:48:34 <eumel8> the core-core team is complete ;)
07:48:55 <ianychoi> eumel8, fine :) I think I met so many Foundation staff during my PTL activities. You would do that also if you feel happy with it :)
07:49:14 <jftalta> I managed to find a few minutes this morning to tell you hello ;)
07:49:30 <eumel8> ianychoi: I'm already on that way :)
07:49:48 <ianychoi> jftalta, how are you going? :)
07:49:50 <ianychoi> eumel8, :)
07:49:59 <eumel8> jftalta: nice! How it's going in France?
07:50:02 <jftalta> I'm fine, thanx :)
07:50:26 <jftalta> huge amount of work, but things are going well
07:50:37 <jftalta> and what about you ?
07:50:51 <ianychoi> And.. eumel8: I copied an e-mail to Kendall about Storyboard, and also asked to you for cross-project liaisons since I don't want you to all communicate with multiple project teams.
07:50:52 <eumel8> oh, forgot to celebrate my new doc-core membership
07:51:03 <jftalta> ;)
07:51:13 <ianychoi> jftalta, wow.. same! :) Lots of work T.T
07:51:27 <ianychoi> But this week is so fine - great big holiday season in Korea
07:51:38 <eumel8> jftalta: sex, drugs and openstack :-))
07:51:45 <jftalta> ah ah ah
07:52:26 <jftalta> btw, did you know Tom Petty ?
07:52:38 <ianychoi> Tom Petty?
07:52:47 <eumel8> some songs from the old days
07:53:05 <eumel8> Tom Petty and the Heartbreaker
07:53:06 <jftalta> American rock star. He died last monday
07:53:37 <jftalta> I was at his London concert in July. It was great
07:53:43 <ianychoi> Oh..
07:53:43 <eumel8> only 61
07:53:44 <jftalta> So sad...
07:53:48 <jftalta> non, 67
07:53:58 <jftalta> sorry, "no"
07:55:11 <jftalta> Did you have a great PTG ?
07:55:30 <eumel8> Yes, nice weather. 29 degrees
07:55:57 <eumel8> and some jokes with a train rail near to the hotel
07:56:06 <jftalta> :(
07:56:16 <jftalta> It was in Denver,right ?
07:56:27 <eumel8> not really
07:56:37 <eumel8> somewhere outside from Denver
07:56:41 <jftalta> ok
07:56:54 <eumel8> free view of the land ;)
07:56:59 <ianychoi> I will have a business trop from Oct 28 - Nov 07 in Oslo Norway. Germany and France should be near than Korea. :)
07:57:24 <jftalta> and vice-versa ;)
07:57:27 <eumel8> Oslo has a nice airport
07:57:56 <eumel8> the city is also nice. I had some hours left when I traveled from Boston
07:58:32 <jftalta> many electric cars, is not it ?
07:58:37 <ianychoi> Aha really?
07:58:41 <eumel8> I heard it
07:59:02 <eumel8> let's switch to i18n and make the room free for qa
07:59:08 <eumel8> #endmeeting