07:02:56 <eumel8> #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting
07:02:57 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Jan 11 07:02:56 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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07:03:44 <genek> hi eumel8 !
07:04:13 <eumel8> hi genek! Welcome and Happy New Year :)
07:04:23 <genek> eumel8: Happy New Year :)
07:06:00 <eumel8> maybe we wait some minutes before we really start with the meeting
07:06:34 <genek> ok, we can wait until more people come
07:08:18 <eumel8> maybe ianychoi is on the way to home
07:08:27 <ianychoi> eumel8, oh hi
07:08:29 <eumel8> as usualy :)
07:08:38 <ianychoi> Fortunately I am online now :)
07:08:40 <genek> hi ianychoi
07:08:48 <eumel8> hi ianychoi :)
07:08:51 <ianychoi> Hello genek ! How r u going? :)
07:09:41 <genek> just finish all my finals
07:10:44 <ianychoi> Aha good :)
07:11:17 <ianychoi> I am now in Jeju island Korea and strangely it snows a lot - usually in here we rarely see snow
07:12:03 <eumel8> ianychoi: sorry again, I was in hurt yesterday evening and couldn't finished the conversation with you
07:12:39 <ianychoi> eumel8, fine but a u okay? Hmm, health condition is the most important than others
07:14:06 <eumel8> ianychoi: really true, but the meeting was very sucessful. Now we have enough people and organsations to prepare the Berlin summit this year
07:15:08 <ianychoi> Oh Can I ask which meeting?
07:16:02 <ianychoi> Anyway really congrats that Berlin Summit preparation is going so well! I really hope that I would able to attend Berlin Summit on Fall this year.
07:16:15 <eumel8> ianychoi: I meet one of the main organisation of German User Group
07:16:50 <eumel8> ianychoi: This is a  must-attend ;)
07:17:15 <eumel8> and it's only 2 days ... or 3
07:17:29 <ianychoi> :)
07:17:30 <genek> I'll try to get there, I'm probably skipping the Vancouver one
07:17:44 <eumel8> okay, let's start with the meeting. There are some multiple topics
07:18:02 <eumel8> #topic Project doc translation
07:18:41 <eumel8> I was in the TC office hours on ... mhmm, Tuesday?
07:19:14 <eumel8> Now we have the Gor for it from the TC to start with project doc translation
07:19:43 <eumel8> Priority should be from bottom to down: #link http://www.openstack.org/openstack-map
07:19:44 <ianychoi> Gor?
07:19:57 <eumel8> Go
07:20:18 <eumel8> Approval :)
07:20:26 <ianychoi> Oh good :)
07:20:54 <ianychoi> I think that might be related with PTI (Project Testing Interface)?
07:21:17 <ianychoi> #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/pti/python.html
07:21:29 <genek> bottom to down means lifecycle management tools is top priority?
07:24:07 <eumel8> no, Horizon is on top as usualy. But I would start with OpenStack-Ansible as a Proof of Concept
07:25:08 <eumel8> that's a Livecycle management tool
07:25:14 <ianychoi> I don't have strong opinions using OpenStackAnsible but currently I admit that it is difficult to grasp or figure out how project doc translation is supported using OpenStackAnsible
07:26:16 <eumel8> I talked already to the guys and there is the best progress in documentation and following the new doc standards
07:26:44 <eumel8> I think it's easy to implement there and then copy the jobs to other projects
07:29:10 <ianychoi> Hmm it would be great if some basic description would be shared.
07:30:00 <ianychoi> I don't know which conversation u did, but I would like to see how it is easy with OpenStackAnsible :)
07:31:39 <eumel8> ianychoi: It's one Zuul deep dive session and then  we have the licence to copy the jobs ;)
07:32:54 <eumel8> okay, next topic?
07:33:19 <genek> okay
07:33:23 <eumel8> #topic Zanata Upgrade
07:33:37 <ianychoi> Yep
07:34:02 <eumel8> I've done some more tests last week and it seems the 4.3.3 version is good for us.
07:34:56 <eumel8> So I made a proposal to upgrade translate-dev with creating a new database to  clean up the openstackid issue  #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531736/
07:35:34 <ianychoi> Yep I asked review http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2018-January/005768.html yesterday
07:36:06 <eumel8> some minutes ago I talked to ianw and it seems he is able to do this tomorrow in his timezone
07:36:23 <eumel8> ianychoi: yes, this was very helpful, thx :)
07:36:58 <ianychoi> You're welcome, eumel8 :)
07:37:08 <adiantum> hello
07:37:09 <eumel8> so nice :)
07:37:21 <ianychoi> adiantum, oh hi! Happy new year :)
07:37:29 <eumel8> hello adiantum
07:38:00 <adiantum> ianychoi: Happy NY to you too!
07:39:36 <eumel8> so if the upgrade is done on translate-dev we have to register new and create test repos and so on
07:40:20 <ianychoi> Yep good idea
07:40:30 <jftalta> hi all
07:40:56 <eumel8> the change is merged, but ianw stopped puppet, so the old version is still online
07:41:02 <ianychoi> jftalta, hello! Also, happy new year :)
07:41:18 <eumel8> hi jftalta, Happy new year :)
07:41:27 <ianychoi> (Sorry I did not remember whether I saw u last week or not)
07:41:56 <jftalta> Thx! Happy new Year :-)
07:42:16 <ianychoi> I think we can wait for ianw. I really appreciate his help on it.
07:42:41 <eumel8> unfortunatelly Zanata team swapped out zip file download, so I have to switched back to war files. My proposal is #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531809/
07:42:49 <eumel8> it's still WIP
07:43:16 <eumel8> I removed the war file code in the past and this was a misstake.
07:43:22 <jftalta> in transportation. I have to deal with a pretty bad connections...
07:44:16 <ianychoi> Aha.. I see. hmm,
07:44:57 <eumel8> the statement is: in zip file are configuration files which all customer already set personally (like we). So the zip file is not required in the future
07:45:25 <eumel8> likely 4.3.3 has still a zip file to download, but this will be the last version with that
07:46:35 <ianychoi> Yep I am okay if Zanata team confirms with it.
07:46:45 <ianychoi> I invited Alex and Patrick on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531809/
07:46:51 <eumel8> thx
07:46:55 <eumel8> #topic Extra-ATC proposal
07:46:55 <ianychoi> :)
07:47:11 <eumel8> deadline for extra ATC is tomorrow
07:47:47 <eumel8> I've created the list but I missed July/August 2017 to collect
07:48:30 <jftalta> so ?...
07:49:06 <eumel8> I started a new stats run (takes ~1 day) but unfortunatelly the infra team rebooted the translation server in the evening and have to restart the script in the morning
07:49:31 <ianychoi> In my opinion, after upgrading to Zanata 4.3, we can implement some ways to automatically proposing ATCs for translators instead of manual extra-ATC proposals
07:50:03 <eumel8> hopefully it's finished tonight so I can make the proposal for ATC in time
07:50:38 <ianychoi> I forgot the details on my previous implementation idea on that but it can be possible if we make use of openstackid resource API and Zanata API.
07:50:50 <jftalta> eumel8: great :-)
07:51:13 <eumel8> the first list is on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n_extra-atcs_january2018 and I think all your names will be approved till 2019
07:51:56 <ianychoi> As far as I know, I18n team approved as an official OpenStack team with the agreement that I18n team will provide some ways of automatically nominating as ATCs
07:53:04 <eumel8> ianychoi: indeed and I would use Ansible in the future for this kind of jobs. I know I saw amotoki's comment but my Python skills are very limited :)
07:54:18 <eumel8> still one topic left:
07:54:27 <eumel8> #topic Remove obsolete branches in Zanata
07:54:47 <ianychoi> eumel8, it is something different from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531600/ . The patch is for manual extra ATC nomination but there might some infra scripts to extract the list of ATCs (I forgot the location). We need to add I18n calculation functionality for ATCs in I18n team into the script
07:55:11 <jftalta> eumel8: give another try to python and you might love it ;-)
07:55:55 <eumel8> stats scripts takes very long time because we have much old branches in Zanata. The question is if we remove which are still EOL
07:56:04 <eumel8> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n_branches_to_remove
07:56:33 <ianychoi> How about changing as read-only?
07:56:36 <eumel8> jftalta: I'm coming from the 80ies. I love Perl ;)
07:56:46 <ianychoi> Removing projects might lost translation memory or not?
07:56:52 <ianychoi> s/lost/lose
07:56:53 <eumel8> ianychoi: there are still read-only
07:57:14 <ianychoi> For scripts, we might only include specific branches
07:57:50 <eumel8> ianychoi: have to inspect Zanata doc if this possible
07:58:09 <ianychoi> I am worried about is 1) translation memory and 2) it is usually a good idea to preserve previous effort as much as possible.
07:58:46 <eumel8> and for translation memory there are still 3 versions online: master + last 2 cycle
07:59:23 <eumel8> but I will take a look in the doc only to collect data from active branches
07:59:34 <gmann> i think its qa meeting time
07:59:47 <eumel8> yes, one minute
07:59:52 <gmann> ok
08:00:02 <ianychoi> okay :)
08:00:10 <eumel8> more discussion in I18n if necessary
08:00:19 <ianychoi> gmann, sorry for late finishing and thanks a lot for kind understanding!
08:00:30 <gmann> ianychoi: np!
08:00:34 <eumel8> thanks for coming and have a nice day/evening
08:00:43 <ianychoi> Thanks a lot eumel8 genek adiantum jftalta !
08:00:45 <jftalta> thx, see you
08:00:48 <eumel8> #endmeeting