20:00:27 <ildikov> #startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute 20:00:27 <openstack> Meeting started Mon May 1 20:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:28 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:00:31 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_upstream_institute' 20:00:35 <mrmartin> o/ 20:00:37 <blancos__> o/ 20:00:39 <jungleboyj> o/ 20:01:00 <ildikov> ping jungleboyj, knikolla, jaypipes, mlavalle, spotz, csatari, mrmartin, marst, blancos, smcginnis, trevormc, vkmc, PagliaccisCloud, madorn, kmARC 20:01:05 <marst> o/ 20:01:09 <ildikov> sorry guys, I'm slow copy-pasting today 20:01:12 <trevormc> o/ 20:01:13 <ianychoi> o/ 20:01:16 <kmARC> o/ 20:01:38 <ildikov> ianychoi: kudos, if you're home! 20:01:40 <jungleboyj> ildikov: We are just overly excited to be here. ;-) 20:01:52 <ianychoi> ildikov, :) 20:01:54 <ildikov> ianychoi: that's very early :/ 20:01:57 <mlavalle> o/ 20:03:41 <ianychoi> ildikov, I am now in Oslo Norway - it's 10pm not early. I will arrive at Boston on Saturday evening. 20:04:00 <ildikov> ianychoi: ok good, that's survivable 20:04:01 <smcginnis> o/ 20:04:06 <jungleboyj> ianychoi: I thought you had mentioned you were going to be traveling. Hope it was a good trip. 20:04:06 <ianychoi> :) 20:04:09 <ildikov> ok, I'm finished hunting down people 20:04:09 <diablo_rojo> Hello :) 20:04:18 <ildikov> so we can start :) 20:04:30 <ildikov> agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-upstream-institute-meetings 20:05:07 <spotz_> Hey all doing double meeting 20:05:07 <ildikov> as it wasn't prepared by diablo_rojo this time it's pretty thin, but hopefully we will be still good :) 20:05:14 <ildikov> spotz_: :( 20:05:15 <diablo_rojo> Lol 20:05:21 <ianychoi> jungleboyj, hi thank you :) 20:05:23 <ildikov> spotz_: thanks for coming :) 20:05:29 <diablo_rojo> Not as much to do since we are so close. 20:05:30 <spotz_> hey so is diablo_rojo! 20:05:30 <ildikov> #topic Announcements 20:05:47 <ildikov> so we have 38 confirmations so far! 20:05:59 <spotz_> woot 20:06:07 <smcginnis> How many were in BCN? 20:06:12 <ildikov> I think that's pretty good, I hope we will have a bit more people showing up 20:06:20 <ildikov> smcginnis: around 70 20:06:41 <ildikov> smcginnis: the outside US ones I think are more popular 20:07:03 <ildikov> smcginnis: we had like less than 20 students in the room in Austin last year for instance 20:07:28 <ildikov> so we start Saturday at 1pm 20:07:29 <smcginnis> Hmm, guess that kind of makes sense. 20:07:29 <diablo_rojo> I expect people will show up that didnt register too 20:07:43 <smcginnis> diablo_rojo: Probably. 20:07:45 <ildikov> those of you who're around it would be great to catch up for lunch 20:08:13 <ianychoi> 38 people looks great! 20:08:37 <ildikov> I sent out a mail to all the trainers/mentors I know plan to join 20:09:00 <ildikov> please let me know if you cannot come and you're on the list or if you know anyone who's coming and not on the list 20:09:29 <ildikov> if anyone has a preference on where to meet plz share that too, otherwise, I'll pick one :) 20:10:16 <smcginnis> I think I arrive around lunch time, but would love to catch up with everyone if I can make it there in time. 20:10:41 <ildikov> we start at 9am on Sunday, those of you who can join only that day please try to be around from 8:30am in case students with questions show up or just simply to catch up and see how things were going on Saturday and get ready for the day 20:11:03 <ianychoi> Yep :_ 20:11:06 <ianychoi> :) 20:11:11 <jungleboyj> I am with smcginnis 20:11:26 <ildikov> smcginnis: jungleboyj: ok, tnx, noted 20:11:30 <smcginnis> Literally. 20:11:31 <ildikov> :) 20:11:49 <diablo_rojo> At a minimim if you all could plan to be there 15 min early that would be wonderful- 30 min would be better of course :) 20:12:17 <ildikov> diablo_rojo: +1 20:12:31 <ianychoi> diablo_rojo, +1 20:12:44 <ildikov> ok, let's move on 20:12:52 <ildikov> #topic Open Reviews 20:13:18 <ildikov> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/training-guides 20:13:31 <ildikov> there are two tiny ones in the training-guides repo 20:13:47 <diablo_rojo> I just pushed one up today to add continued education stuff to the website i.e. onboarding rooms and git and gerrit lunch and learn 20:13:49 <ildikov> one is for the dev enb 20:14:05 <ildikov> and the other is a few pointers to students on the website for the week 20:14:17 <ildikov> we chose the web to make it visible 20:15:27 <ildikov> I have three housekeeping patches for Sandbox: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-dev/sandbox 20:15:53 <ildikov> will merge them and we can play with the deep dive material 20:16:06 <ildikov> hoping that no one will mess it up before the training :) 20:16:16 <ildikov> or well, not drastically at least 20:17:00 <ildikov> plz check the training-guides patches and let's get them merged quickly 20:17:09 <ildikov> if nothing else, then let's move on 20:17:10 <smcginnis> If not, it can be a lesson for them in "collaboration". :) 20:17:30 <diablo_rojo> smcginnis, :) 20:17:31 <ildikov> smcginnis: :) 20:17:58 <ildikov> #topic Projects/areas to cover during the training 20:18:11 <ildikov> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/boston-upstream-institute-presenters 20:19:25 <ildikov> so I added there numbers to see how many people we have confirmed for each area 20:19:43 <ildikov> compute, containers and networking are the most popular ones 20:20:28 <jungleboyj> :-( Need more storage peeps. 20:20:34 <ildikov> we have a few projects not really covered, we can get those guys and girls together and teach them things by picking an area from those we have coverage for 20:20:36 <spotz_> ha! 20:20:37 <diablo_rojo> Containers people are really needed 20:20:54 <spotz_> inc0 never got back with his flights 20:20:59 <ildikov> spotz_: did you finally find someone for containers? 20:21:02 <diablo_rojo> jungleboyj, you and smcginnis will be there so that is something :) 20:21:17 <jungleboyj> :-) 20:21:19 <spotz_> ildikov: still need his flights 20:21:24 <ildikov> spotz_: do you want me to go and ask or can you follow up? 20:21:26 <jungleboyj> We will convert people 20:21:31 <smcginnis> :) 20:21:41 <spotz_> either or 20:21:56 <trevormc> we should have one person from AT&T that can work on containers. He's just been busy. 20:22:03 <diablo_rojo> is xing going? She could help cover Manila and Cinder too 20:22:04 <trevormc> s/work/help with 20:22:21 <jungleboyj> diablo_rojo: She is local. She could come down. 20:22:23 <diablo_rojo> trevormc, will they be coming to the summit/be available Sunday? 20:22:37 <spotz_> diablo_rojo: She lives there, isn't planning on coming in until Sunday 20:22:41 <jungleboyj> We have vkmc on Manila though and I got tdasilva for Swift. 20:22:48 <trevormc> diablo_rojo: They should be. 20:22:58 <ildikov> diablo_rojo: vkmc is coming too 20:23:15 <jungleboyj> diablo_rojo: I mean we needed more people wanting to learn about storage. :-) 20:23:22 <diablo_rojo> Ah 20:23:23 <ildikov> jungleboyj: +1 20:23:45 <ildikov> let's try not to have that many more mentors in the room than students :) 20:24:01 <jungleboyj> ildikov: Exactly! ;_0 20:24:04 <jungleboyj> ;-) 20:24:09 <ildikov> :) 20:24:29 <mlavalle> trevormc: 6 interested in Neutron :-) 20:24:43 <trevormc> good not too many! 20:24:43 <diablo_rojo> trevormc, if you can drag them along that would be awesome :) 20:24:45 <ildikov> so we can try to convert the people who didn't say which area they are interested in and a few more for which projects we don't have coverage 20:24:54 <marst> ildikov: I'll be happy to be a student. Especially when Jay is around. 20:25:02 <ildikov> so we might have 10 new storage people by the end of the day :) 20:25:17 <jungleboyj> ildikov: +2 20:25:37 <ildikov> marst: haha, teach by example, how to be a student :) 20:26:09 <ildikov> trevormc: will that AT&T person be around during the weekend? 20:26:27 <trevormc> ildikov: yeah he should be there at least for Sunday. 20:26:30 <trevormc> as a mentor 20:26:49 <trevormc> i'll confirm with him and get back to you if not. 20:26:57 <ildikov> trevormc: we have Brandon on the wiki with Helm 20:27:36 <ildikov> I don't know whether he's your contact or someone else 20:27:42 <ildikov> but either case it would be great if you can confirm 20:27:48 <spotz_> We could just grab people as they check-in to hotels and ask what projects they're on:) 20:28:01 <diablo_rojo> spotz_, lol 20:28:02 <ildikov> as Saturday is more of a generic part Sunday would be more than enough 20:28:08 <trevormc> ildikov: oh, I wasn't aware brandon was going. Larry should be there for Kolla, thats what was listed in the etherpad when we met in Atlanta. 20:28:13 <ildikov> spotz_: lol :) 20:28:13 <diablo_rojo> ildikov, +1 20:28:43 <ildikov> trevormc: I don't know whether he's coming, he signed up to the team only, not for Boston 20:28:54 <ildikov> trevormc: was just wondering who's your person :) 20:29:42 <trevormc> haha ok. Larry should be attending from what Im aware of there hasn't been any changes 20:29:46 <ildikov> trevormc: let's sync up after the meeting and see who we might have around 20:29:58 <trevormc> ok 20:30:05 <ildikov> trevormc: thanks! 20:31:06 <ildikov> we have a few double booked slots for the presentations 20:31:47 <smcginnis> Tag team? 20:32:03 <ildikov> I haven't seen people around for this meeting, so we will figure out during the week whether we pick someone or those will be slots with two presenters 20:32:07 <jungleboyj> whooomp there it is! 20:32:27 <smcginnis> What's the plan for that? One or two people presenting, the rest of the mentors available in the room to help answer questions? 20:32:41 <ildikov> smcginnis: we have exercises for all blocks 20:32:59 <ildikov> mentors should help with those 20:33:28 <ildikov> and having at least one mentor sitting at each table should also help with synchronizing who's finished and which group needs more time 20:33:37 <smcginnis> Perfect 20:33:43 <ildikov> and also answer questions if any 20:33:54 <ildikov> people were quite active on IRC during the Barcelona training 20:34:03 <ildikov> so a few of us should keep an eye on that too 20:34:11 <kmARC> (hah, bc it was configured on their VM ;-) ) 20:34:25 <ildikov> kmARC: and in Boston it will be too :) 20:34:40 <ildikov> kmARC: so the patch is up to move the dev env VM setup after the intros 20:35:03 <ildikov> the floor will be yours, I will not add that to the sign up etherpad to ensure it's all yours ;) 20:36:28 <ildikov> kmARC: so as a summary, thanks again for putting together and updating and optimizing the VM image! :) 20:36:56 <kmARC> No problem, I enjoyed procrastinating on my real job and play with my pet project :-D 20:37:12 <ildikov> does anyone have questions for the exercises or any of the blocks? 20:37:16 <ildikov> kmARC: :) 20:37:56 <spotz_> I need to see where we actually are:) 20:38:08 <ildikov> spotz_: +1 20:38:14 <diablo_rojo> It might be a good idea for everyone to just go through all the slides so we are all familiar with whats there and are prepared to answer questions 20:38:36 <ildikov> #action ALL to check the latest version of the material: https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/ 20:38:37 <jungleboyj> diablo_rojo: ++ That is on my agenda 20:39:00 <ildikov> so as diablo_rojo said, plz!!! 20:39:12 <jungleboyj> ildikov: If we do that we are bound to find issues, should we push up patches with fixes? 20:39:23 <ildikov> ianychoi: BTW, do you know how to update the logo on the training webpage to the new one? 20:39:35 <ildikov> ianychoi: I mean I couldn't find where to do it :) 20:39:57 <ildikov> jungleboyj: yes, push fixes please 20:40:08 <jungleboyj> ildikov: Ok. Will do. 20:40:11 <ianychoi> ildikov, which page? https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/ ? 20:40:12 <ildikov> jungleboyj: I would say fix only typos and things that are fundamentally wrong 20:40:23 <ildikov> polishing can come after we're done with the training 20:40:28 <jungleboyj> ildikov: Of course. Wasn't thinking of any content changes. 20:40:30 <smcginnis> +1 20:40:33 <ildikov> ianychoi: yep 20:40:34 <ianychoi> ildikov, slide logos are updated by you :) 20:40:40 <jungleboyj> Bugs only. ;-) 20:40:54 <diablo_rojo> ianychoi, she is talking about the webpage I think 20:40:57 <ildikov> ianychoi: I meant the logo on the web page, the left top corner 20:41:04 <diablo_rojo> ianychoi, we already updated the slides :) 20:41:07 <ianychoi> ildikov, I see. openstackdocstheme might need to be updated . I will see it :) 20:41:36 <ildikov> ianychoi: oh, so that's a per project/page thing, I can try my best with it too 20:42:28 <ildikov> jungleboyj: smcginnis: do you want to talk about your deep dive idea fro the mail thread? 20:43:07 <jungleboyj> ildikov: Sure. 20:43:11 <ildikov> s/fro/for/ 20:43:25 <ildikov> hmm no, s/fro/from/ :) 20:43:30 <smcginnis> :) 20:43:35 <jungleboyj> We are going to have a broken version of Cinder. 20:43:36 <ildikov> hate Mondays... :) 20:44:16 <jungleboyj> We had the idea of just putting a copy of Cinder up there for people to pull down to avoid having to do patching, but if you think everyone should be comfortable with apply a patch, we can just go that route. 20:44:38 <jungleboyj> This is for the deep dive with some broken code. 20:44:53 <ildikov> I think we can risk that who doesn't know how to do that we or the fellow students can teach them 20:45:03 <ildikov> but that's my two cents 20:45:21 <jungleboyj> ildikov: Ok, we can go that route to be consistent with others then. 20:45:27 <smcginnis> It does sound like we will have enough help there that if a student has trouble, we should be able to spend time with them to get them going. 20:45:35 <ildikov> on the other hand, if we use the Sandbox repo that code might be way more broken than how you originally broke it 20:45:41 <ianychoi> ildikov, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406450/ was settled but I need to more investigate whether the new theme was released or not. 20:45:51 <jungleboyj> ildikov: Sounds like a good challenge. ;-) 20:45:54 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: ++ 20:46:01 <ildikov> ianychoi: cool, thanks for checking 20:46:18 <ildikov> ianychoi: I just realized that the docs page has the new logo already, but the training page does not 20:46:36 <smcginnis> Must need to point to a new theme name? 20:46:44 <ildikov> smcginnis: yep, and I also think that it can be a good experience for students to help each other out 20:47:04 <smcginnis> +1 20:47:06 <ildikov> can make them more confident with things that are new to them if there are other things they can help each other with 20:47:11 <smcginnis> Teaching always helps with learning. 20:47:22 <ildikov> smcginnis: +1 20:47:28 <jungleboyj> Indeed. Have learned a lot that way. 20:48:19 <ildikov> :) 20:48:27 <ianychoi> ildikov, aha but no actual documentations yet I got it :) 20:48:49 <ildikov> so it seems we will go with the patches and not the full code 20:49:45 <jungleboyj> ildikov: Yes, that is fine. 20:50:00 <ildikov> trevormc: mlavalle: are you preparing some code breaking exercises as well? 20:50:08 <ildikov> jungleboyj: cool, tnx 20:50:20 <mlavalle> ildikov: yes 20:50:40 <ildikov> mlavalle: great, tnx 20:51:00 <ildikov> mlavalle: did anything come up that would be beneficial to discuss with the group here? 20:51:26 <ildikov> mlavalle: I mean with the preparation/brainstorming/etc 20:51:44 <mlavalle> ildikov: no, we are good. I am also almost done with my presentation / exercises for the on-boarding room 20:52:19 <ildikov> mlavalle: wow, sounds pretty good! 20:52:34 <ildikov> mlavalle: unintentionally I always have things for the last minute :/ 20:52:52 <mlavalle> ildikov: np 20:52:56 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: And I are working on putting together info that builds upon upstream-institute with Cinder specific details. 20:53:17 <ildikov> jungleboyj: for the on boarding room? 20:53:23 <smcginnis> Yep 20:53:38 <jungleboyj> ildikov: Yep 20:53:40 <ildikov> cool! 20:54:14 <ildikov> you can always re-use what we have for the training with those who didn't attend that 20:54:32 <ildikov> so having things built on top of it is a good idea IMHO 20:54:51 <smcginnis> I think we are going to recap the upstream training, then get into Cinder specific things. 20:55:01 <jungleboyj> ildikov: What he said 20:55:09 <smcginnis> :) 20:55:18 <ildikov> at least you also have some extra things for advanced students, you can never know who shows up to the training :) 20:55:29 <jungleboyj> ildikov: Right. 20:55:33 <ildikov> smcginnis: sounds pretty good! 20:55:37 <jungleboyj> That was our thought. 20:55:39 <smcginnis> Exactly. I think we will have to just go with the flow and see how the audience turns out. 20:55:48 <smcginnis> 5 minutes 20:56:00 <ildikov> yep, pretty tough to get prepared for everyone 20:56:26 <ildikov> we should encourage the projects to have their on boarding room things available somewhere publicly 20:56:37 <smcginnis> Oh, that's not a bad idea. 20:56:45 <ildikov> so we could pick them up for the training if we need material for areas 20:56:45 <smcginnis> Would be good to link to it off of our project wiki pages. 20:56:52 <jungleboyj> Yeah ... 20:56:54 <smcginnis> Good idea 20:56:56 <ildikov> and vice versa 20:57:13 <ildikov> smcginnis: coolio, I will reach out to the projects then :) 20:57:28 <ildikov> smcginnis: jungleboyj: I guess I can count on you for Cinder :) 20:57:42 <ildikov> so we have 3 more minutes 20:57:43 <jungleboyj> ildikov: We got you covered 20:58:05 <ildikov> is there anything I forgot, or any questions or comments from anyone to discuss? 20:59:08 <smcginnis> Probably. :) 20:59:22 <ildikov> smcginnis: thanks, that helps :) 20:59:34 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: That wasn't very nice. 20:59:41 <ildikov> then see everyone in Boston soon! 20:59:48 <smcginnis> I meant it in the nicest way! :] 20:59:55 <ildikov> keep on checking your mailboxes and hang out on the team channel! 20:59:58 <jungleboyj> :-) Looking forward to it! 21:00:09 <ianychoi> See all you at Boston! 21:00:14 <ildikov> safe travels everyone!!! 21:00:17 <ildikov> #endmeeting